Hey, pennant guys - Page 199

Vintagedeputy · #**9901** 10-21-2025, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Padres wear frocks.

Yeah they do.

perezfan · #**9902** 10-21-2025, 11:50 PM

Great pennant, Jim! Super tough to find one in nice condition like that. Gotta love the classic Swingin' Friar!

Vintagedeputy · #**9903** 10-22-2025, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Great pennant, Jim! Super tough to find one in nice condition like that. Gotta love the classic Swingin' Friar!

Thanks! Got this one too!

bocca001 · #**9904** 10-28-2025, 08:09 PM

From the VFC football board. See below about whether or not there may be pennants for the football Pirates (pre-Steelers). The logos don't exactly match (the coats and the pennant pictured), but they have clear similarities. My thought was that this Pirates pennant is way too common to be very early NFL (at least I think it is a pretty common pennant... could be wrong). I also did not think that this pennant was old enough (1930s). But maybe there is a Pirates football pennant out there with this logo? Anyone have a candidate? Or maybe this one really could be football?

Fballguy · #**9905** 10-28-2025, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

From the VFC football board. See below about whether or not there may be pennants for the football Pirates (pre-Steelers). The logos don't exactly match (the coats and the pennant pictured), but they have clear similarities. My thought was that this Pirates pennant is way too common to be very early NFL (at least I think it is a pretty common pennant... could be wrong). I also did not think that this pennant was old enough (1930s). But maybe there is a Pirates football pennant out there with this logo? Anyone have a candidate? Or maybe this one really could be football?

I'd say there's a 0.0% chance that's a football Pirates pennant and a 0.01% chance that one even exists. But I won't stop looking.

Domer05 · #**9906** 10-28-2025, 10:22 PM

The two logos aren't even a match. Different hats.

No chance that's a Pittsburgh [football] Pirates pennant. It's from ca. 1960.

Duluth Eskimo · #**9907** 10-28-2025, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat

Here is my 1939 Browns

There is a matching Cardinals version of this pennant as well. I believe there is one for 1942 as well.

thetahat · #**9908** 10-29-2025, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

There is a matching Cardinals version of this pennant as well. I believe there is one for 1942 as well.

Yes here is the 1939. I believe I�ve seen a 1937 and 1938, they are super rare.

UKCardGuy · #**9909** 10-30-2025, 12:51 PM

That's a great pennant Greg. Here's my 1938 Cardinals grommet. As Mike and Frank on American Pickers might say "It's well aged but it has great patina"

UKCardGuy · #**9910** 10-31-2025, 01:49 AM

As this is a buy it now listing, I don't think I'm in danger of outing an auction. In case you guys haven't seen it there's a pretty rare St Louis Cardinals pennant in great condition on Ebay

I don't know the seller and he's asking what seems to be a crazy high price but I thought I'd put it up here in case it's in your wheelhouse.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/177513266678

Vintagedeputy · #**9911** 10-31-2025, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

As this is a buy it now listing, I don't think I'm in danger of outing an auction.

That’s a fantastic pennant! Thanks for sharing!

Since we’re talking about auctions, I wanted to ask the group an opinion on something. Once again, I’m following an auction with some great vintage pennants and once again I am perplexed by the auction strategies of others. Now I understand there are people who may be headed out of town, or on a cruise or somehow tied up when an auction is due to end and they’re not able to bid, but for the life of me, I can’t understand why people continue to bid items up over the course of an auction. Is it a pride thing that you have to have the highest bid currently?

If I see an item, I’m interested in, I make sure that I know when it ends and in the remaining seconds, I fire off my absolutely best bid. Usually that seems to work for me, but I can’t understand why people will jack up the price prematurely. Am I missing something?

perezfan · #**9912** 10-31-2025, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

That�s a fantastic pennant! Thanks for sharing!

Since we�re talking about auctions, I wanted to ask the group an opinion on something. Once again, I�m following an auction with some great vintage pennants and once again I am perplexed by the auction strategies of others. Now I understand there are people who may be headed out of town, or on a cruise or somehow tied up when an auction is due to end and they�re not able to bid, but for the life of me, I can�t understand why people continue to bid items up over the course of an auction. Is it a pride thing that you have to have the highest bid currently?

If I see an item, I�m interested in, I make sure that I know when it ends and in the remaining seconds, I fire off my absolutely best bid. Usually that seems to work for me, but I can�t understand why people will jack up the price prematurely. Am I missing something?

It is perplexing. Why drive the price up unnecessarily? Beats me. Maybe the item already sits near their max ceiling, and they want to get that bid in while it's still affordable to them? Cannot think of another logical reason, as those early bids rarely, if ever hold up.

bocca001 · #**9913** 10-31-2025, 02:05 PM

Does it really drive up the selling price if these bids we are talking about are nowhere near where the auction is likely to end? I guess I'm not convinced that any of this really ends up impacting the final price unless something falls through the cracks (i.e., is not seen by the people really willing to pay more). The final price is only determined by the last two (two highest) bidders. If five bidders are bidding in the hundreds for a few days on an item and then Mark and I come in bidding in the thousands, those earlier bids are immaterial. If I bid $900 on a T206 Wagner, am I really running up the price?

Like Mark said, I'll sometimes put in a bid on something that is likely to go higher because that bid is the highest I can go. Those bids rarely ever win and I know it, but I have had them win in the past. When I did not win, I don't see myself as having run up the price, especially when the final price is a good bit higher.

perezfan · #**9914** 10-31-2025, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

Does it really drive up the selling price if these bids we are talking about are nowhere near where the auction is likely to end? I guess I'm not convinced that any of this really ends up impacting the final price unless something falls through the cracks (i.e., is not seen by the people really willing to pay more). The final price is only determined by the last two (two highest) bidders. If five bidders are bidding in the hundreds for a few days on an item and then Mark and I come in bidding in the thousands, those earlier bids are immaterial. If I bid $900 on a T206 Wagner, am I really running up the price?

Like Mark said, I'll sometimes put in a bid on something that is likely to go higher because that bid is the highest I can go. Those bids rarely ever win and I know it, but I have had them win in the past. When I did not win, I don't see myself as having run up the price, especially when the final price is a good bit higher.

Well that's a good point you make about not ultimately driving up the price with early lowball bids. But I still don't see the point, unless the item in question is already sitting near the max you want to pay. I'm glad you've won a few things that way.... I honestly don't think I ever have!

Lucas00 · #**9915** 10-31-2025, 07:46 PM

I believe a popular resellers tactic for years was to put a Max Bid in as soon as the auction opened at 3/4 of the items value or whatever the resellers thought made sense to flip the item. And did it to hundreds of lots. If they won a few, Win. If they lost them all, it cost them half an hour of clicking and zero dollars. 90% of auctions I feel like that's what I'm bidding against.

I guess in theory constantly bidding and instantly being out bid for 10 bids straight might scare some people off. At least that's what I assume they think.

Hankphenom · #**9916** 11-01-2025, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00

I believe a popular resellers tactic for years was to put a Max Bid in as soon as the auction opened at 3/4 of the items value or whatever the resellers thought made sense to flip the item. And did it to hundreds of lots. If they won a few, Win. If they lost them all, it cost them half an hour of clicking and zero dollars. 90% of auctions I feel like that's what I'm bidding against. I guess in theory constantly bidding and instantly being out bid for 10 bids straight might scare some people off. At least that's what I assume they think.

That just sounds to me like dealers trying to make money buying and selling, which is what they do. I did that for years on eBay and other auctions, and did pretty well. I thought of it as bottom-feeding, and I relied on enough things falling through the cracks to make the effort worthwhile. Nothing diabolical about it, just common sense. Your antidote as a collector, of course, is to bid up to or over the item's market value, which I wouldn't' be able to compete with.

Lucas00 · #**9917** 11-01-2025, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

That just sounds to me like dealers trying to make money buying and selling, which is what they do. I did that for years on eBay and other auctions, and did pretty well. I thought of it as bottom-feeding, and I relied on enough things falling through the cracks to make the effort worthwhile. Nothing diabolical about it, just common sense. Your antidote as a collector, of course, is to bid up to or over the item's market value, which I wouldn't' be able to compete with.

I'm not saying it's a terrible thing, at least real time and money has to be spent. It is annoying because even collectors like to get a deal every now and then, and that is pretty much non existent now.

I much muuuuuch prefer this to an old lady bringing 100 grand in cards to a dealers booth and they buy everything for 500 bucks.

Hankphenom · #**9918** 11-01-2025, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00

I'm not saying it's a terrible thing, at least real time and money has to be spent. It is annoying because even collectors like to get a deal every now and then, and that is pretty much non existent now. I much muuuuuch prefer this to an old lady bringing 100 grand in cards to a dealers booth and they buy everything for 500 bucks.

Understand. Of course, the imaginary story by Mark Twain about your little old lady is that she spent the rest of the day gleefully telling all her friends how she fleeced this stupid fat guy at the show out of all that cash for these worthless old cards. "A fool and his/her money are soon parted," etc.

Lucas00 · #**9919** 11-01-2025, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Understand. Of course, the imaginary story by Mark Twain about your little old lady is that she spent the rest of the day gleefully telling all her friends how she fleeced this stupid fat guy at the show out of all that cash for these worthless old cards. "A fool and his/her money are soon parted," etc.

Not really a good juxtaposition at all in my opinion. Dealers are experts. I know in some professions like pawn shops it's illegal to take advantage of people if you know the true price. I don't want to derail a thread like this, so this'll be my final opinion on it.

bocca001 · #**9920** 11-01-2025, 06:00 PM

For me, it's like Mark said. It has to be near the max of what I would pay. In this type of scenario, I don't keep increasing a small bid once someone passes me. And, yes, it's like getting something that falls through the cracks. I don't use any kind of automated sniping service and I can been too busy to watch items like this when they are closing. So I don't necessarily wait until the last minute to bid. But I don't really see it as running up the cost. It is what I am willing to pay.

Hankphenom · #**9921** 11-01-2025, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00

Not really a good juxtaposition at all in my opinion. Dealers are experts. I know in some professions like pawn shops it's illegal to take advantage of people if you know the true price. I don't want to derail a thread like this, so this'll be my final opinion on it.

Mine also. Just for the record, I was a terrible dealer when it came to getting bargains I could make windfall profits on. The first thing most people ask is, "how much is it worth," and I always felt compelled to tell them before explaining the economics of the hobby and my place in it. eBay was a godsend in that respect since I wasn't really dealing with people but with an anonymous machine and could utilize my expertise, especially of the niches I had really gotten to know well, to get some real deals to make it all worthwhile doing. I'm sure gouging does go on, but whatever happened to "caveat emptor?" You can't regulate stupidity or ignorance, and you shouldn't try to. They should teach in the schools how to be smart with money.

ooo-ribay · #**9922** 11-01-2025, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00

I'm not saying it's a terrible thing, at least real time and money has to be spent. It is annoying because even collectors like to get a deal every now and then, and that is pretty much non existent now.

I don�t think there are any �deals� to be had unless a) it�s an underpriced BIN (and you have to be VERY lucky/diligent to find these) or b) an item is horribly or incorrectly described. In other cases of an auction going to its end, the market decides the price. If it�s more than you�re willing to pay, it really doesn�t matter if the winning bid is put in 5 days early or 5 seconds before the auction ends. In a way, we�re all losers when we win something�we have just decided to pay more than anyone else would!

UKCardGuy · #**9923** 11-01-2025, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I don�t think there are any �deals� to be had unless a) it�s an underpriced BIN (and you have to be VERY lucky/diligent to find these) or b) an item is horribly or incorrectly described. In other cases of an auction going to its end, the market decides the price. If it�s more than you�re willing to pay, it really doesn�t matter if the winning bid is put in 5 days early or 5 seconds before the auction ends. In a way, we�re all losers when we win something�we have just decided to pay more than anyone else would!

I agree with this. I think any auction strategy is only ever going to work at the margins...on that 1 in a 100 auction. But when it works, don't you feel great

Some people bid their max up front, most people wait until the extended bidding. Personally, I like to put bids in when the auction opens to ensure that I able to bid in extended bidding. Then for items that I'm most focused on, I might put in a bid at about 1/2 of my max to gauge interest in the lot. If I'm outbid quickly and with several other bidders I know that I might have a battle. If there are other items in the auction that I want, then I might have to change my focus to those.

I like to think that this gives me some insight about how keenly other people are bidding on that lot. I don't think it's very scientific and I'm probably just deluding myself. Ultimately, it only takes one other bidder on the night to drive the price up higher than I can afford.

ooo-ribay · #**9924** 11-01-2025, 07:41 PM

I�m sure auction house vs. eBay �strategies� are different. Usually with auction houses, I�m blown out of the water early and give up. Que sera sera. I usually only bid in the hope they continue to send me their drool worthy catalogs. Some do, some don�t.

Fballguy · #**9925** 11-02-2025, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I�m sure auction house vs. eBay �strategies� are different.

On ebay, passivity loses. 6-7 years ago, scoring pennants at great prices was like shooting fish in a barrel. Then Covid happened and the lock down spawned an army of ebay trolls. If you don't sit there tapping your enter button all day, you've got next to no shot of getting anything decent, nevermind anything decent at a good price. Even for nice items listed as an auction, you better reach out to that seller to see if they'd accept an offer...because if you don't I guarantee someone else is.

ooo-ribay · #**9926** 11-02-2025, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

On ebay, passivity loses. 6-7 years ago, scoring pennants at great prices was like shooting fish in a barrel. Then Covid happened and the lock down spawned an army of ebay trolls. If you don't sit there tapping your enter button all day, you've got next to no shot of getting anything decent, nevermind anything decent at a good price. Even for nice items listed as an auction, you better reach out to that seller to see if they'd accept an offer...because if you don't I guarantee someone else is.

I can�t dispute anything you say in regard to eBay, although I�m not sure I see the Covid connection. I�ve resigned myself to the new reality and accept that a blind squirrel like myself is only going to find the occasional acorn. It sometimes frustrates me but I�m not willing to devote all my time to the acquisition of �stuff.�

perezfan · #**9927** 11-03-2025, 01:02 AM

Yup... eBay is ruined. I could list off at least a dozen reasons it was better pre-2020, but Rob summed it up nicely.

The good news is that I am spending MUCH less time searching in futility. So now I can waste tons of time in less expensive ways.

ooo-ribay · #**9928** 11-03-2025, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Yup... eBay is ruined. I could list off at least a dozen reasons it was better pre-2020, but Rob summed it up nicely.

Are you also thinking Covid (2020) had something to do with the �change� in eBay? I can�t pinpoint a time, but it seems to me eBay has been getting tougher for at least the last 15 years. I still average probably one, usually minor, purchase a week but unusual Giants pennants are very few and far between.

thetahat · #**9929** 11-03-2025, 10:11 AM

You�re not merely dealing with collectors who hunt for items to add to their personal collection. Some seemingly live on eBay to grab cheap BINs only to relist for a profit 1-2 weeks later, or whenever the mailman leaves their porch. Not illegal but kinda lame.

thetahat · #**9930** 11-03-2025, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Are you also thinking Covid (2020) had something to do with the “change” in eBay? I can’t pinpoint a time, but it seems to me eBay has been getting tougher for at least the last 15 years. I still average probably one, usually minor, purchase a week but unusual Giants pennants are very few and far between.

I think it has gotten tough simply due to more users, and more accumulated sales history/evidence. Twenty years ago it was much more likely for a person who stumbled across pennants at a flea market or his attic to not know what he had. Today, with Worthpoint, etc., it’s easy to research.

Fballguy · #**9931** 11-03-2025, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I can’t dispute anything you say in regard to eBay, although I’m not sure I see the Covid connection. I’ve resigned myself to the new reality and accept that a blind squirrel like myself is only going to find the occasional acorn. It sometimes frustrates me but I’m not willing to devote all my time to the acquisition of “stuff.”

Everything changed with Covid Rob. People were sitting home and online and it became much more competitive. Pre-Covid, it seemed like my only competitor was Jonsstats. And you rarely had to worry about an auction disappearing from your watch list. The good old days. Now I barely check eBay. Not worth it.

Fballguy · #**9932** 11-03-2025, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Yup... eBay is ruined. I could list off at least a dozen reasons it was better pre-2020, but Rob summed it up nicely.

The good news is that I am spending MUCH less time searching in futility. So now I can waste tons of time in less expensive ways.

Bingo!

ooo-ribay · #**9933** 11-03-2025, 03:19 PM

Another thing, which I �get� but don�t necessarily like, is we pennant collectors have gotten to know which ones are really rare. I know of seven SF Giants pennants that I have seen ONCE. Three went to a very good friend in SF back in the early 2000s. I bid also but, being a new collector, my buddy beat me pretty easily in the $200 range. I figured I would see those pennants again but never have. Three more reside with another guy I know in SF. He doesn�t actively collect anymore but won�t let his go. Both those guys have very advanced Giants collections. Bocca snagged a unique green one about a year ago in an �honest� auction. All seven pennants are unique designs; not just variations of what we know to be out there. Bocca also has the ONLY Keezer Giants I�ve ever seen, although Greg and/or Mark may have one. Maybe someday, I�ll be able to add one of these eight�..although I�m not holding my breath.

perezfan · #**9934** 11-03-2025, 05:48 PM

I have seen the Giants Keezer once, and it was probably close to 20 years ago. I did not know how rare it was at the time either. Hope you find one some day, Rob!

661fish · #**9935** 11-03-2025, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

Everything changed with Covid Rob. People were sitting home and online and it became much more competitive. Pre-Covid, it seemed like my only competitor was Jonsstats. And you rarely had to worry about an auction disappearing from your watch list. The good old days. Now I barely check eBay. Not worth it.

Stats has screwed me multiple times. If not for his half ass shipping, it's going to the seller after you think you have scored and get's them to relist. He seems to feel like he has the exclusive rights to the good stuff. And if it's too high for him or he missed it, he tends to sabotage it.

UKCardGuy · #**9936** 11-05-2025, 05:33 PM

I picked up these 2 pennants in a lot. They're about 23" long and I think there was a spine on them once upon a time. Anyone recognize these?

ooo-ribay · #**9937** 11-05-2025, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I picked up these 2 pennants in a lot. They're about 23" long and I think there was a spine on them once upon a time. Anyone recognize these?

I kinda recognize the Giants. It�s the same batter as on my flocked Giants. Do you think the spines were removed (�unthreaded�) or cut off?

Fballguy · #**9938** 11-06-2025, 07:34 AM

As if this pennant wasn't common enough. Wonder where these have been hiding for the past 67 years...and were they alone?

https://ebay.us/m/UJYAl0

ser1979 · #**9939** 11-06-2025, 09:29 AM

Happened to stumble across this late one-night last week, this is the second version of this pennant I own. Other than this recent pennant I haven't been able to find much out there right now worth spending my kid's college money on, lol

UKCardGuy · #**9940** 11-06-2025, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I kinda recognize the Giants. It�s the same batter as on my flocked Giants. Do you think the spines were removed (�unthreaded�) or cut off?

That's the same batter. I think the spines were unthreaded but I'm really not sure. It's possible hey never had a spine. When I hold the Tigers pennant up to the light, I can see some tiny holes but not enough of them to have been a 1/2 inch stitch (or whatever the pattern would be for the spine).

Do you know when your flocked Giants pennant was made?

ooo-ribay · #**9941** 11-06-2025, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

That's the same batter. I think the spines were unthreaded but I'm really not sure. It's possible hey never had a spine. When I hold the Tigers pennant up to the light, I can see some tiny holes but not enough of them to have been a 1/2 inch stitch (or whatever the pattern would be for the spine).

Do you know when your flocked Giants pennant was made?

I�m GUESSING 40�s?

perezfan · #**9942** 11-06-2025, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I’m GUESSING 40’s?

Probably spot-on. There's a 1940s Brooklyn Dodgers pennant that matches Gary's Giants to a tee. And yes, the matching Dodgers has a white spine with tassels. That's the first Giants example of that type I've ever seen.

UKCardGuy · #**9943** 11-07-2025, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Probably spot-on. There's a 1940s Brooklyn Dodgers pennant that matches Gary's Giants to a tee. And yes, the matching Dodgers has a white spine with tassels. That's the first Giants example of that type I've ever seen.

Thanks Mark. Is this the one? (I found it in Mike Egner's book)

I wonder if there are more teams in this series? There's some other 1930s and 1940s 3/4 pennants that look to be candidates.

perezfan · #**9944** 11-07-2025, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks Mark. Is this the one? (I found it in Mike Egner's book)

I wonder if there are more teams in this series? There's some other 1930s and 1940s 3/4 pennants that look to be candidates.

Yup, that�s the one! Here�s my extra special red felt version, with yellow spine and green tassels. Not Dodger-approved colors, but that�s what makes these vintage pennants great.

ooo-ribay · #**9945** 11-07-2025, 02:01 PM

Thanks, Mark and Gary. Funny how those guys are either swinging at a ball in the dirt or hitting a dribbler, while my flocked Giant has just hit one out of the park!

Fballguy · #**9946** 11-07-2025, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Yup, that�s the one! Here�s my extra special red felt version, with yellow spine and green tassels. Not Dodger-approved colors, but that�s what makes these vintage pennants great.

I recognize that pennant.

I thought it was special too and then it sat on eBay for many months until you rescued it.

perezfan · #**9947** 11-07-2025, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

I recognize that pennant.

I thought it was special too and then it sat on eBay for many months until you rescued it.

I can almost hear the crowd chanting....

UNDERRATED.... UNDERRATED!

UKCardGuy · #**9948** 11-07-2025, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Thanks, Mark and Gary. Funny how those guys are either swinging at a ball in the dirt or hitting a dribbler, while my flocked Giant has just hit one out of the park!

To be fair, the ball on your flocked pennant is pretty large. It's be hard not to make good contact with it.

ooo-ribay · #**9949** 11-08-2025, 06:02 PM

A buddy asked if I had any interest in a couple of pennants. I did not. As a favor to my buddy, I'm posting them here to see if any of you have interest. I kinda doubt it, but here they are.

He'd like to get $75 apiece or $150 for both. If that's high, and I suspect it might be, what would you guys value them at? Also, what vintage is the Red Reds?

perezfan · #**9950** 11-08-2025, 06:23 PM

Probably late 1940s on the 3/4 Reds with Starburst. Cool pennant, but it typically sells for around $60-$65. The '63 Reds Picture Pennant is likely worth a bit less, given the staining throughout.

He would do pretty well to get $100 for the pair.

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