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Posted By: BcDaniels

don't you still have the Tango Brand egg card I sold you seven years ago???

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And I sold a bunch of Croft's Cocoa cards to Scotty E..............but astute as he may be,he was not there to sweep up the rest he will need to acquire from me.......eventually!

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Robert- to complete the crimson trifecta of Mack-Vaughn and Coombs, the 3 toughest, there is a great creaseless red Coombs floating around somewhere between New York and Arkansas thanks to our friends at the postal service who managed to lose a very tough card
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when you will NOT sell them! Don't need the Chance however. But, I would LOVE to have it for an upgrade! Also, I believe BCD was the "astute" one when he purchased all those nice NM/MT caramels for $100 each years back!!!!!!!

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Posted By: John Spencer

Been fascinated about the E98 Mack discussion, although you would think he would take his trousers down before sitting on the thunder box (perhaps that is his starting A's lineup he is pondering while attending to his business). Anyhow, is there definite data around about the relative difficulty of the colored backgrounds, or is it purely subjective collecting experience for those folks who collect the set. And I guess the same kind of color background relativity could be true for the E94's. I know I am breaching protocal here but I do have a an E98 Bresnahn red backgound PSA 7 that I could be persuaded to part with for all the gold in Ft Knox

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Old 08-23-2005, 03:17 PM
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Posted By: tbob

John- the prevailing consensus was always that the red background cards were hardest to find in the E98 set. Oranges seem to pop up all the time and blues were fairly common with green a little bit tougher. Now some of my E98 collecting friends seem to believe that maybe the greens are as tough as the reds. I still believe the red ones are the toughest based on a large number that I have owned or examined over the years.
Interestingly, the prevailing wisdom in the E94 set (which has 6 colors) was that violet was always considered far and away the toughest but now it appears that the gold background cards are as tough or maybe even a little tougher. Of course, all E94s are tough. For some reason the E94s have become less prevalent that even the E97s lately. I think he reason is fairly simple, there are 6 colors of each E94 card as opposed to one of each E97 and there are some master set collectors out there (guilty as charged) buying up what would otherwise be duplicates or upgrades. This has really contributed the E94s drying up. I know of at least 3 master set collectors who are very active and I am sure there are others out there lurking or who might not even use the internet...
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Hi John,

My opinion with e98 colors is that it's not as simple as "red is the toughest," or "green is tougher than blue."

I have found that over the past couple years and over 100 different examples in my own collection and from closely watching other examples, green has been the toughest in general. (By the way, Scott M's collection doesn't count because it defies the laws of anything else I've seen with green e98s. Those are just sweet and were found as a group if I remember correctly.)
Anyways, I simply mean that I have seen/owned the least amount of green examples overall.

HOWEVER, I HAVE FOUND CERTAIN PLAYERS to be way tougher than others and certain red examples to be almost non-existent.
I'm not laying down any verdict, just giving my experience.

At any rate, I know that every player is out there in every color.

Happy Collecting Everyone!!
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Also....Bob...you're right. E94s are plain gone on any public market. The reason is that people like you and me love em' and won't sell them.

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Red it is

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Vaughn it is.

I have seen four of them in 35 years of collecting
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I guess the $120 I paid for my red E98 Mack in VG-Ex a couple of years ago was a good deal.

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Cough, cough, cough, yes I'd venture to say it was

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good god paul...i'll give you 175 for it... what do you say! Hahaha that was a great buy!

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I pulled recent sales of E90-1 cards off ebay and selected only for slabbed cards, plus a few HOFers raw. Here is what I found:

E90-1 Cobb SGC 50 $2,478.00
E90-1 Ed Summers SGC 30 $22.56
E90-1 Fred Mitchell * SGC 50 $130.40
E90-1 Hal Chase * PSA 2 $49.00
E90-1 Hughie Jennings HOF * SGC 50 $286.99
E90-1 Willie Keeler HOF SGC 50 $392.06
E90-1 Nap Lajoie $151.36 (disclosure here: I bought this one; looks g-vg but I love the image)
E90-1 Sam Crawford Detroit Tigers PSA 5 $556.03
E90-1 Fred Clarke SGC 40 $146.94
Jennings SGC 10 $21.51
Tennehill (Nat'l) SGC 10 $9.00
Mullin GAI 3 $34.00
Dygert GAI 1 $15.51
Bransfield (w/P) PSA 1 $18.27
Matthewson $73.71 (beater)
Crawford $36.00 (beater)
Ellis SGC 40 $49.95
TANNEHILL/Chi. NL PSA 3 $56.59
Bransfield - SGC 70 $449.00
LEACH PSA 3mk $65.09
BLANKENSHIP GAI 3.5 $49.99
WALLACE PSA 3 $125.00
WALLACE PSA 7 $1,147.00
KEELER – RED- SGC 40 $503.60
BAKER SGC 30 $153.50
Bresnahan SGC 10 $29.95
Summers SGC 40 $46.99
JENNINGS GAI-2.5 $100.99

Unslabbed lower end cards could be purchased anywhere from $7 on up for commons.

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Adam- although you didn't list them, I have seen a couple of Grahams, Walshs and Stahls in slabbed condition, low to mid grade going for big bucks lately as those cards seem to be back in favor as scarce cards to have from the E-90-1 set. I think all were in auctions other than ebay except 1 Graham.
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Bob,
Sportscards Plus sold a Stahl on EBay recently in PSA 3 (with paper loss on the front...don't know how that happened) - it went for about $470.

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has there been any recent sales of any Shoeless Joe cards ?

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At least the ones I've bought and tracked.

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Posted By: Scott Elkins

I sold a PSA 1 E90-1 Jackson a few months back (really worn) for $2600 and an E92 Dockman Matty that I sent to GAI and it graded a 3. That was the second E90-1 Jackson I have owned since I began collecting vintage cards (the other was GD), and I wish I still had BOTH of them back!!!!

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By the number of responses , it seems people tend to hold onto the E90-1 Jackson or the card must be pretty rare . Am I right in estimating that the Dockman Matty is worth close to $2k ?

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I sold it for $575. Probably worth around $750+ these days.

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I'm still choking that an E101 Boss Schmidt PSA 2 went for $127.50 today. The E101 David Shean PSA 3 grabbed $160.58. Either people are getting really desperate or there's some funny business going on.

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Do I? No, I don't...

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I was the underbidder on the PSA 2 Boss Schmidt (from my girlfriend's ID).....and my $125 bid got topped!

nothing funny going on, i have a bunch of extra money for once, and the pose on the Schmidt was very unique. normally i wouldnt pay that much for any PSA 2

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Like I told you when I was bidding on the E102 and E101 Dooins - I like the backgrounds in those (and was outbid) - I certainly was not shilling. These caramels are simply hot. My first Croft's Cocoa I purchased last year was an SGC 40 Zimmerman for $90. The last Croft's Cocoa I have seen sold was a GAI 2 O'Hara in the 19th Century auction for $450!!!!!!

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u did a good job hyping up those cocoas , i remember tbob buying a VGEX Lajoie for $200...the good ole days, of LAST YEAR...

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had a nice E-106-lajoie he probably is sorry he sold. I think it was Ex+.

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I just wanted the prices to go up a little to get some to show up "out of the woodwork" so to speak, so I might buy some I need for my set. I didn't mean to hype them up to where people were outbidding me by two or three bid increments!

BTW - Tbob did well on the Lajoie PSA 4 - he doubled, as I gave him $400 for it several months ago!

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scott, as you know i am willing to overpay for the cocoa's but even i have to draw the line at 500 for a low grade common with severe back damage. what do you think that puts my matty at 5000? all i want is for lemke to finally stop listing cocoa's less then dockmans.

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I haven't gotten a Matty yet! Guess that $5k I paid for the only graded Cocoa Cobb is not looking so stupid afterall!?!?!?'

Also, it recently cost me over $1300 in trade to acquire an SGC 50 Cocoa Tinker I needed! Of course, it seems that VG/EX and above are high grades for this issue - and, a Hall Of Famer to boot!

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scott
that was a good price for the cobb, as i told you before i would be willing to go at least that high for a sgc10 if it ever came up at auction. how about posting a scan?

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However, I did e-mail you the scan. Anyone who wants a scan, just e-mail me at tycobb@optidynamic.com and I will send you one.

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Not a big name, just your basic HOFer?

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$250-$400 - depending on bidding (for graded examples - SGC GAI PSA). The tougher poses/players will fetch more. Also, if two people want/need the card or need it for an upgrade, it is hard to tell!

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I was pretty darn happy with the approx. 17k my E93 Wagner PSA 7 sold for in the Mastro auction. I don't remember the exact figure, but the E95 Matty PSA 7 did similarly well.
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Scott, I know you wern't shilling. I was just giving you a bad time for fun. It seems that I'm getting more and more competition with the 101's. You're absolutely right that they're heating up.

I guess it makes the great deals I've gotten from you and others look even better!

Leggo my E101's!!!!!!!!!!

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Isn't it supposed to be "Leggo of my Tango Eggo"?

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Jay, that was pretty damn funny. I wouldn't mind a few Tango Eggs if they wern't Bescher, Murphy, or McQuillen

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How many do you want?

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Since I like the background colors - if you list it on eBay and I bid, Anson will think I am shilling! I will also take a Meyer (love that Jacklitsch background as well!!!!!!!).

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We'll start calling him Shillkins!

Very Nice Tangos! I like the Dooin

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He is a very kind person who does not ruffle fighting rooster features~

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I picked up a raw Hartsell- E101 and it looks darn near ex-mt. Be interesting to see what SGC says....we'll see....probably some residue I can't see and it gets another 40....oh well

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hee hee

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Luckily I have a pretty nice Hartsell in a 4 holder already.

It does amaze me how SGC finds some of the stuff that they do. I may not be the expert on vintage sets but I consider myself a pretty experienced eyeball.

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Just ask BCD. Anyway, I might not send BCD any more of the $K's I win at the rooster fights this next season! I will just have Anson buy the cards I want from BCD, so BCD doesn't get the money directly from me.

BTW - that PSA 4 Seigle is trimmed - you had better sell that one to me, since I buy the holder and not the card!

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If you manage to pry it from BCD, let me know about getting your E101.

Phillys and Dockmans even seem to be going nuts just in the last month.

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Then, I might be forced to let Seigle fly like a Seagull your way!

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A Wags Croft's Candy just hit Ebay

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I know we discussed this card in another thread where GAI was criticized but what is this about? http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-E90-1-American-Caramel-Joe-Jackson-Graded-GAI-1-5_W0QQitemZ5236838353QQcategoryZ106178QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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But it makes sense given how expensive a better condition copy of the card is likely to be. There are sets where people will pay what it takes to get any cards (like E107), and then there are cards where people will get in on a low grade specimen of a card that sells well into five or even six figures. It really isn't any different than paying $250 for a fair condition E92 Young, other than size of purchase. A lot of people will satisfy themselves paying 5%-10% of the high grade price for low grade.

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I guess you do not follow prices on this card. That happens to be an excessive amount for that card in that grade/condition. Six months ago, solid VG examples did not sell for THAT much more. There was one VG example that sold for 8K or close to that a year ago.

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Almost to 100. come on guys, I know you can do it

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