Consider an EPDG set....how tough is it ?

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Ray,

I think the consensus is that all T206 subjects are theoretically possible with EPDG except:

1. Most 150-only subjects

(Ewing may be an exception; he has not been confirmed with a 350 back but does exist with EPDG.)

2. All southern leaguers

3. Demmitt (St. Louis), Doyle (N.Y. Nat'l), O'Hara (St. Louis), Plank

So roughly 460 subjects are theoretically possible with EPDG. Of course, dozens if not hundreds of these 460 are unlikely to exist with EPDG in fact.

Scot

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
Here are a few more:

Fred Clarke batting
Harry Covaleski (Coveleski)
Boss Schmidt (throwing)
Cy Young Portrait (HOF)
Rube Oldring (batting)

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Posted By: Steve Dawson

Ted,

I have a Vic Willis w/bat EPDG that you can add to your list.


Steve

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks guys for all your inputs....the new upgraded tally is 261 - EPDG cards.
I will be providing a new list today.

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Young and Willis previously noted. Count stands at 261. Is that what you have Ted?
Thanks for the additions guys.
RayB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The tally of 261 includes those two cards.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Updated 4/26/07....Total confirmed EPDG cards = 262

Hey you, serious T206 dudes....anymore EPDG backs out there....check them out ?

Abbaticcio (brn slv)
Abbaticcio (blu slv)......460 series
Abbott
Adkins
Ames (hds/hd)
Baker
Ball (NY)
Ball (Clev)......460 series
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Bates
Beaumont
Beck
Bell (fol thru)......460 series
Bender (port)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Berger
Bescher (hds up)......460 series
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (port)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Bresnahan (port)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (cap)........460 series
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arms fold)
Camnitz (arms side)......460 series
Campbell
Casey
Chance (red)
Chance (yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (blue)
Chase (pink)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chesbro
Cicotte
Clarke (port)
Clarke (bat)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (red)
Cobb (bat off)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minn)
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Coveleski
Crandall (no cap)
Crandall (cap)........460 series
Cravath
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criger
Dahlen (Boston)
Davidson
Geo Davis
Delehanty (Wash)
Demmitt (NY)
Devore............460 series
Donlin (seat)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (port)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolan (fldg)
Doolin
Dougherty (arms/air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evans
Evers (port)
Evers (Chi-bat)
Ewing
Fiene (port)
Fiene (throw)
Flanagan
Ford..........460 series
Freeman
Frill..........460 seris
Fromme
Gandil..........460 series
Ganley
Gasper
Geyer..........460 series
Gibson
Gilbert
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (port)
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsell
Herzog (NY)
Herzog (Bos)........460 series
Hemphill
Hinchman (Clev)
Hinchman (Tor)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howard (Chi)
Howell (hands)......460 series
Hummell..............460 series
Jackson
Jennings (port)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (dance)
Johnson (port)
Johnson (pitch)
Tom Jones (St Louis)
Jordan (port)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitch)
Karger
Keeler (port)
Kelley
Killian (pitch)
Kisinger
Kleinow (NY)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove lo)
Konetchy (glove hi)
Krause (port)
Kruger
Lajoie (throw)
Lajoie (bat)
Lattimore
Lavender
Leach (port)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Leifield (throw)
Lindaman
Livingstone
Lobert
Lord
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Lundgren (KC)
Maddox
Magee
Marquard (hds down)
Mathewson (wh cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McGraw (port-cap)........460 series
McIntyre (Bro/Chi
McLean
Miller (Pitt)
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Mullin (throw)
Murphy (bat)
Murray (port)........460 series
Myers (fldg)
Nattress
Needham..........460 series
Nichols
Niles
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat).......460 series
O'Leary (port)
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Overall (port)
Overall (yel sky)
Owen
Payne...............460 series
Pfeffer..............460 series
Pfeister (sit)
Pfeister (throw)
Phillippe
Powell
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Raymond
Rhoades (hds/chest)
Rhoades (throw)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (port)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Det)
Schlafly
Schlei (fldg)
Schmidt (throw)
Schulte (back).......460 series
Scott
Seymour (bat)
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (St Louis)
Sheckard (throw)......460 series
Shipke
Smith (Brooklyn)........460 series
Smith (Buff)
F. Smith (Chi)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt(port)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stovall (port)
Stovall (bat)........460 series
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Sweeney (Bos)
L. Tannehill
Tannehill (Wash)
Taylor
Thomas
Tinker (port)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Wagner (bat/left)
Wagner (bat/right)
Walsh
Weimer
Wheat.............460 series
White (Buff)
White (Chi-port)
White (Chi-throw)
Wilhelm (arms/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willett
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throw)
Wilson
Wiltse (port-no cap)
Wright
CYoung (port)
CYoung (bare hand)
Zimmerman


TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

We have confirmed....261....EPDG cards. There must be a few more out there ?

Therefore, once again I ask you T206 dudes to check out your collections, compare with the latest list
and see if you can add to it.

TED Z

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
I agree... there are more, and we will find them.

Be well Brian

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Posted By: RayB

I agree as well. I will continue to look and report back when I find vagabond examples and hopefully add a few along the way.
I picked up an EPDG Fred Abbott last night.
Thanks again for the continued motivation.
RayB

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Ted,

Not sure if the "Shaw" on your list is Al (St. Louis) or Hunky (Providence). There are two Al Shaws (St. Louis) on eBay right now.

Scot

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

SCOT

Thanks for bring this to my attention. The Shaw on my list is the St Louis guy.
I'll identify him on the list.

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

This is my last post on this subject.....if you can still contribute that's fine.

If no more inputs are received, then as far as I am concerned....it's ended.

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Posted By: daryle

Hey, I know you said ended......BUT I have Abbaticchio with Blue/Red sleeves with EPDG back

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for your input and I have added your Abbaticcio to the list.

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,
I now have Lake St. L. w Ball in EPDG.
RayB

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Posted By: Adam

I actually have a T206 Cy Young "PORTRAIT" with the EPDG back, so that one exists as well.

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Posted By: Anonymous

One more added to the list of EPDG; confirmed = 263

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Posted By: Anonymous

UPDATED 5/5/07....Total confirmed EPDG cards = 269

Abbaticcio (brn slv)
Abbaticcio (blu slv)......460 series
Abbott
Adkins
Ames (hds/hd)
Atz
Baker
Ball (NY)
Ball (Clev)......460 series
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Bates
Beaumont
Beck
Bell (fol thru)......460 series
Bender (port)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catch).......460 series
Berger
Bescher (hds up)......460 series
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (port)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Bresnahan (port)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (cap)........460 series
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arms fold)
Camnitz (arms side)......460 series
Campbell
Casey
Chance (red)
Chance (yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (blue)
Chase (pink)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chesbro
Cicotte
Clarke (port)
Clarke (bat)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (red)
Cobb (bat off)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minn)
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Coveleski
Crandall (no cap)
Crandall (cap)........460 series
Cravath
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criger
Dahlen (Boston)
Davidson
Geo Davis
Delehanty (Wash)
Demmitt (NY)
Devore............460 series
Donlin (seat)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (port)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolan (fldg)
Doolin
Dougherty (arms/air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evans
Evers (port)
Evers (Chi-bat)
Ewing
Fiene (port)
Fiene (throw)
Flanagan
Ford..........460 series
Freeman
Frill..........460 seris
Fromme
Gandil..........460 series
Ganley
Gasper
Geyer..........460 series
Gibson
Gilbert
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (port)
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsell
Hemphill
Herzog (NY)
Herzog (Bos)........460 series
Hinchman (Clev)
Hinchman (Tor)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howard (Chi)
Howell (hands)......460 series
Hummell..............460 series
Jackson
Jennings (port)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (dance)
Johnson (port)
Johnson (pitch)
Tom Jones (St Louis)
Jordan (port)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitch)
Karger
Keeler (port)
Kelley
Killian (pitch)
Kisinger
Kleinow (NY)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove lo)
Konetchy (glove hi)
Krause (port)
Kruger
Lajoie (throw)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball-St Louis)
Lake (ball-St Louis)........460 series
Lattimore
Lavender
Leach (port)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Leifield (throw)
Lindaman
Livingstone
Lobert
Lord
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Lundgren (KC)
Maddox
Magee (bat)
Marquard (hds down)
Mathewson (wh cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McGraw (port-cap)........460 series
McIntyre (Bro/Chi)
McLean
Meyers (port).........460 series
Miller (Pitt)
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Mullin (throw)
Murphy (bat)
Murray (port)........460 series
Myers (fldg)
Nattress
Needham..........460 series
Nichols
Niles
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat).......460 series
O'Leary (port)
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Overall (port)
Overall (yel sky)
Owen
Payne...............460 series
Pfeffer..............460 series
Pfeister (sit)
Pfeister (throw)
Phillippe
Powell
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Raymond
Rhoades (hds/chest)
Rhoades (throw)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (port)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Det)
Schlafly
Schlei (fldg)
Schmidt (throw)
Schulte (back).......460 series
Scott
Seymour (bat)
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (St Louis)
Sheckard (throw)......460 series
Shipke
Smith (Brooklyn)........460 series
Smith (Buff)
F. Smith (Chi)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt(port)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stovall (port)
Stovall (bat)........460 series
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Sweeney (Bos)
L. Tannehill
Tannehill (Wash)
Taylor
Thomas
Tinker (port)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Wagner (bat/left)
Wagner (bat/right)
Walsh
Weimer
Wheat.............460 series
White (Buff)
White (Chi-port)
White (Chi-throw)
Wilhelm (arms/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willett
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throw)
Wilson
Wiltse (port-no cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
Wright
CYoung (port)
CYoung (bare hand)
Zimmerman

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Posted By: Rich Klein

And keeping it real --

Regards
Rich

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,
I have been able to confirm Magee Batting and Wiltse Pitching; please add these to the list.
Thanks.
RayB

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

RAY

Thanks, the Magee (previously un-identified) on the list, is the batting pose.

So, your Wiltse brings the total to 264

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Posted By: Anonymous

Added ATZ to list......new total = 265

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Posted By: Bill

I have Bergen catching and Chief Meyers port. that I did not see on the list.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Thanks Bill

Your two and a Peaches Graham (Boston) raises the total = 268

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

I wonder if the total is 301? My math:


240 a combination of 150/350 and 350 series (i.e. 48 subjects x 5 press sheets)
6 Super Prints
55 460 only

I've probably missed something and have not matched up the cards in this thread with the different series but it seems possible to me.

I'm going to try to match up the supershet spreadsheet based on the above while away on a business trip next week as I will have plenty of down time.

So, is my theory crap or does it have some basis?

Dave

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

I'm not sure I understand your math.

Also, there are 48 subjects in the 460-only Series....you have 55 ?

I prefer to use the "deduction method" to approach the # of possible EPDG cards......

524 - 6 (W P M D D O) - 48 (So Lgers) - 9 (150-only) = 461


Now, as we have found out with SOVEREIGN and POLAR BEAR studies....there are a good number
of these 461 possible cards that do not exist with an EPDG back. And, the only way that we can
arrive at the actual number is by large-sample surveys (i.e., Scot Reader's, Bill Brown's, and this
one)....that we are conducting here on this Forum.

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

Aha! I should have typed 55 in the 350/460 series. But I think I still have a problem on the 350 series figures as there are 208 fronts there. Got to contemplate while on the road. I have Bill Brown's s/s and am taking it with me to study anew. My larger point was that the no prints will likely be some multiple of 48 fronts. Well, back to the drawing board......

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

An email input confirmed Lake (St Louis..no ball in hand).

That brings the EPDG total = 269

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

In the process of putting together a T206 all-Sovereign set, I have observed a recurring pattern
regarding cards in the 150/350 Series. In this Series not all Subjects exist with both 150 and 350
backs. And, the cards that are devoid of Sovereign 350 backs invariably show up with EPDG backs.
Therefore, this pattern is predictative of a high probability of a card with an EPDG back.

Here is a list of 12 cards in the 150/350 Series that are not found with SOV 350 backs. And, have
yet to be confirmed with EPDG backs....

Bransfield
M. Brown (port)
Cobb (green)
Conroy (fldg)
Criss
H. Davis
Hahn
Lake (NY)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McQuillen (arms high)
Pastorius
Williams

Let's see if any of these 12 will follow this pattern, and eventually show up with EPDG backs ?

One more go around with this survey....show or tell your EPDG backs.

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Hi Ted,

I think you mean McQuillen (Arms High). I'll be on the lookout.

Scot

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Thanks guy for keeping me honest....it's corrected.

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Hard to believe there aren't more.
Anybody out there with EPDG's n ot on the latest list?

Ted are you regularly scanning eBay listings? I've been trying to do that in the event a new one pops up.
RayB

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,
I just added an EPDG Tinker Bat On to my set.
RayB

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Posted By: RayB

Still looking for additions to this list. If you've got'em let us know here.

I am also interested in acquiring EPDG's so (shameless spam)shoot me an email if you've got any to sell or trade.
aja4rayb@msn.com
RayB

Thanks so much.

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,
Overall Hands at Waist level

Is that on the list; I've confirmed its existance.
RayB

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

The two cards of Overall that have been confirmed are his Portrait and the Yellow sky version.
Is this new one you have with the Blue sky ?

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Yes. Blue Sky.
RayB

What do you currently show as the new total count?

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

UPDATED 7/2/07....Total confirmed EPDG cards = 272

Abbaticcio (brn slv)
Abbaticcio (blu slv)......460 series
Abbott
Adkins
Ames (hds/hd)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (NY)
Ball (Clev)......460 series
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Bates
Beaumont
Beck
Bell (fol thru)......460 series
Bender (port)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catch).......460 series
Berger
Bescher (hds up)......460 series
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (port)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Bresnahan (port)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (cap)........460 series
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arms fold)
Camnitz (arms side)......460 series
Campbell
Casey
Chance (red)
Chance (yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (blue)
Chase (pink)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chesbro
Cicotte
Clarke (port)
Clarke (bat)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (red)
Cobb (bat off)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minn)
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Coveleski
Crandall (no cap)
Crandall (cap)........460 series
Cravath
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criger
Dahlen (Boston)
Davidson
Geo Davis
Delehanty (Wash)
Demmitt (NY)
Devore............460 series
Donlin (seat)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (port)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolan (fldg)
Doolin
Dougherty (arms/air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evans
Evers (port)
Evers (Chi-bat)
Ewing
Fiene (port)
Fiene (throw)
Flanagan
Ford..........460 series
Freeman
Frill..........460 seris
Fromme
Gandil..........460 series
Ganley
Gasper
Geyer..........460 series
Gibson
Gilbert
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (port)
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsell
Hemphill
Herzog (NY)
Herzog (Bos)........460 series
Hinchman (Clev)
Hinchman (Tor)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howard (Chi)
Howell (hands)......460 series
Hummell..............460 series
Jackson
Jennings (port)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (dance)
Johnson (port)
Johnson (pitch)
Tom Jones (St Louis)
Jordan (port)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitch)
Karger
Keeler (port)
Kelley
Killian (pitch)
Kisinger
Kleinow (NY)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove lo)
Konetchy (glove hi)
Krause (port)
Kruger
Lajoie (throw)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball-St Louis)
Lake (ball-St Louis)........460 series
Lattimore
Lavender
Leach (port)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Leifield (throw)
Lindaman
Livingstone
Lobert
Lord
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Lundgren (KC)
Maddox
Magee (bat)
Marquard (hds down)
Mathewson (wh cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McGraw (port-cap)........460 series
McIntyre (Bro/Chi)
McLean
Meyers (port).........460 series
Miller (Pitt)
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Mullin (throw)
Murphy (bat)
Murray (port)........460 series
Myers (fldg)
Nattress
Needham..........460 series
Nichols
Niles
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat).......460 series
O'Leary (port)
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Overall (port)
Overall (yel sky)
Overall (blue sky)......460 Series
Owen
Payne...............460 series
Pfeffer..............460 series
Pfeister (sit)
Pfeister (throw)
Phillippe
Powell
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Raymond
Rhoades (hds/chest)
Rhoades (throw)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (port)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Det)
Schlafly
Schlei (fldg)
Schmidt (throw)
Schulte (back).......460 series
Scott
Seymour (bat)
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (St Louis)
Sheckard (throw)......460 series
Shipke
Smith (Brooklyn)........460 series
Smith (Buff)
F. Smith (Chi)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt(port)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stovall (port)
Stovall (bat)........460 series
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Sweeney (Bos)
L. Tannehill
Tannehill (Wash)
Taylor
Thomas
Tinker (port)
Tinker (bat off)
Tinker (bat on).....460 Series
Titus
Turner
Wagner (bat/left)
Wagner (bat/right)
Walsh
Weimer
Wheat.............460 series
White (Buff)
White (Chi-port)
White (Chi-throw)
Wilhelm (arms/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willett
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throw)
Wilson
Wiltse (port-no cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
Wright
CYoung (port)
CYoung (bare hand)
Zimmerman

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

I have my list at 270. What was the last addition beside Overall?
RayB

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

On June 5th....5 PM you reported Tinker (bat on). So, with Overall that brings the total count to 271.

TED Z

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Hi Ted,

Add ANDERSON to the list of confirmed EPDGs.

eBay Item: 170127263082

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-John-Anderson-El-Principe-de-Gales-back_W0QQitemZ170127263082QQihZ007QQcategoryZ86841 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Scot

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

SCOT

Thanks for the new EPDG....Anderson has been added to the list.

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Doyle NY Hands Above Confirmed sighting.
Add to list Ted?
RayB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

RAY

Joe Doyle is on the list.

Thanks,
TED Z