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Posted By: JimH
What about a discount for "already" graded PSA cards resubmitted for a possible upgrade? How about that for customer service! Maybe they will start charging extra because they have to grade through the holder. |
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Posted By: lumberg
Get with the times! Welcome to capitalism in America - you would try and make an extra buck if you could to. |
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Posted By: Steve
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Posted By: lumberg
Are you saying that PSA is not planning on rounded to the nearest 1/2 point? Are they planning on always rounding down? So any borderline 7's or 8's can only drop a half grade? Please explain. |
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Posted By: Steve
No, I am saying that they do not have a 9.5 grade. |
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Posted By: lumberg
Thank you - |
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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
PSA will not bump a 9 to a 9.5. There will be nothing between MINT and GEM MINT.. what would it be anyway... NEARLY GEM MINT?? an 8.5 is the highest half grade offered by PSA. martyOgelvie nyyankeecards.com |
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Posted By: JimH
I'm glad I finally got some discussion going. I ask that you stick to basics. It is understood that PSA are not collectors or sellers. That, as far as I know, is not open to public review. PSA controls price (SMR). The prices in the SMR do not reflect what the cards actually sold for (check for the small print in just about any set listing). A card that is raw goes to PSA for grading and PSA is asking the person submitting the card for a value for that card. Then a card is encased by PSA and it has a specific value assigned. Now they take that card which they gave a specific value reference to and are willing to change it at an additional cost to the consumer. It very well may cost the consumer more because that card may fall into a more costly grading service determined by PSA. PSA keeps the cost of submission even if the card does not get a higher grade. Additionally, they have to grade the card through a holder. I ask you, does this pass the smell test? It seems to me that they should offer a reduced cost for cards to be resubmitted as a service to people who are truly collectors and not merchants. |
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Posted By: Eric B
According to PSA, an 8 that is truly an 8.4 will still be an 8. You round down. remember, a 7.9 still was called a 7 because it did not meet the minimum requirements to become an 8. |
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Posted By: Steve
Jim |
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Posted By: Steve
Then a card is encased by PSA and it has a specific value assigned. |
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Posted By: Solomon
I would assume, any significant card that is already a 7.9 is in an 8 holder. Who is selling incredibly high end 7s and 8s on cards with significant moves in price? |
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Posted By: JimH
Steve, I expected that response from someone. Reminds this old man of "love it or leave it". Cards that are newly submitted I have little heartburn with. Your observations are valid. But cards that have already been submitted open up all kinds of problems. Just a few of these are: at what price are cards submitted and how can cards be accurately graded through an insert sleeve and holder. If I once submitted a card for 10.00 to be graded, now it could cost me much more to submit that same card possibly getting the same result. If PSA would simply do something for the "old time" loyal customers it would go a long way. After all, rightly or wrongly, we do trust the grade they give and the value they give. |
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Posted By: leon
I agree with most of what you say on this board. I do disagree somewhat with you saying no one is forcing anyone to resubmit cards to PSA. You are right but if you are playing the Registry game, and PSA knows full well what they are doing, then you risk being overtaken by someone that does resubmit. I agree with Solomon in that this is purely money making on PSA's part (not wrong but not admitted either) and little else. Although I do think they might have come over to SGC's way of thinking and are now agreeing to what SGC has known all along. (I hate it when that happens) Yeah, PSA is helping the hobby. If they are helping the hobby then they would be charging $4-$5 each for resubmissions to cover their costs and not to make more profit....Just my opinion....BTW, I am sure SGC does things for profit too, I have no problem making a profit .... It's the peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining that I don't care for.... |
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Posted By: ErlandStevens
How is this different from any other product improvement? If you buy a car, you would never expect the manufacturer to give you something back if the next model is improved somehow. Anyone who previously sent in cards to PSA got exactly what they paid for - cards graded under the terms outlined by PSA. PSA has now changed their terms (grading scale). While some feel that this move makes PSA look bad, I don't think that SGC or Beckett are beyond doing the same thing. If business is down, you change to try to make it better. |
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Posted By: JimH
Leon, You got it!!!! |
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Posted By: lumberg
This issue may have very legitimate reasons for a law suit. It may require legislation and government intervention. |
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Posted By: Steve
Leon that is exactly why I said no one is being forced to resubmit anything. I too dislike the idea of having to pay again. i also mentioned one of the reasons why people just might resubmit (registry) |
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Posted By: Eric B
Lawsuit? On what grounds? |
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Posted By: Steve
If they are helping the hobby then they would be charging $4-$5 each for resubmissions to cover their costs and not to make more profit. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Of course PSA is forcing the hands of collectors. If you don't resubmit your cards you are leaving money on the table. This microcap company is running out of ways to generate income.... |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Jeff, |
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Posted By: leon
I understand your position of charging again with respect to this new found value. Fine, then PSA should not charge when the bump up doesn't happen. ALSO, these cards that stay in 8 holders (or whatever whole number)could be stigmatized as lower end cards and therefore lose value. IS PSA going to compensate people for that? Sorry, this is indefensible except to make more money...you can say anything you want to but that is what it is.....and I am ok with that but prefer to call it what it is....When a car mfg goes up in price they don't say it's to help consumers....that wouldn't be very good PR....as folks know better......regards |
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Posted By: marty
there are still a few more changes that might come (years from now), if sales fall, what would stop psa and sgc from going to sub-grades?? ya know, surface, edges, maybe a new one "smell" if like bubblegum or wax 9.5, basement and attic 5.0! always choices regardless , i do wish psa would also go to a black insert with new submissions and bumps, would it be anymore of an uproar than what's going on anyhow? |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
"Cards that are found to be altered or counterfieted/reprints can expect a phone call." |
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Posted By: Steve
What happens when the card owner gets that phone call and tells PSA to return the card in the original (graded) holder? Will they? |
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Posted By: leon
You asked about where PSA said they were helping the hobby? |
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Posted By: Joann
I think the most interesting part of this whole program, that they are charging full price for the review, is what it implies about the amount of time spent grading. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
" I assume that PSA has armed its graders with very specific direction for each grade level to help the bump review. It would say something like "if a card comes in with Grade X, then look only for features Y and Z (something like undented corners or even borders or something) and if they are present assign the card a new Grade X.5. If not, leave it at X." Clearly this review would take far less time than a full intitial eval of a raw card, no? So why no discount?" |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Joann -- While I think you make some insightful points, I look at it a bit differently. The reason PSA doesn't offer a discount is because they don't have to. Their half-grade scheme has their set registry participants over a barrel. PSA knows those people will feel they have to resubmit, discount or no discount, because if they don't their sets will go down in the standings. So why offer a discount if you don't have to? |
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Posted By: Steve
additional value to the hobbyist." |
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Posted By: Steve
Steve -- From what I have been made to understand from the thread a few weeks ago on the new half-grade system, for the resubmits PSA will NOT be looking for alterations. So I don't think any phone calls will be forthcoming. |
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Posted By: JimH
I am enjoying reading the strong logic used countering PSA's move to abuse customers who have been faithful to them. Like I said when I started this it dosen't pass the smell test. If one looks at PSA's submission form it says you have to submit a card in the 30.00, 55.00, 85.00 or 200.00 cost per submission if a card has a certain declared value. My question is, who declares value on a graded card? It is my understanding PSA forces you to use the SMR value for values of graded submitted cards. And to think our young friends say PSA dosen't set price. Also, would it not be smart to break out already graded cards to get the better submission charge. Isn't that great "for thr hobby"! |
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Posted By: Steve
The funny thing is I am not countering anything. The hate here is unbeliavable, I have said "I did not like it,That I would not play that game". No one saw that i guess. I was simply explaining what I feel is going on. |
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Posted By: Steve
My question is, who declares value on a graded card? It is my understanding PSA forces you to use the SMR value for values of graded submitted cards |
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Posted By: JimH
I'm not sure I understand what declared value means. If I have a graded card (PSA graded) which is thought to be expensive ($10K) and I want to submit it to PSA for a possible upgrade, will PSA accept it if I put a declared value of $100 on it? |
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Posted By: Steve
No |
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Posted By: Matthew
If i purchase a card that is not on a half grade how will i know if it ws ever sent out to psa for that half grade higher. psa will make tons of money on the same cards getting resubmitted by someone not knowing it was already sent in. and psa will have that all in there computers so there will be no mistakes by them. they will know it was previously summitted. |
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Posted By: Steve
Also, would it not be smart to break out already graded cards to get the better submission charge. |
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Posted By: lumberg
JIM H - |
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Posted By: Steve
If i purchase a card that is not on a half grade how will i know if it ws ever sent out to psa for that half grade higher. psa will make tons of money on the same cards getting resubmitted by someone not knowing it was already sent in. and psa will have that all in there computers. |
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Posted By: Steve
And to think our young friends say PSA dosen't set price. |
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Posted By: george "bulldog" adams
steve winpitcher i hear your levi`s son is that true. bulldog |
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Posted By: Steve
Does your head hurt coming up with that question Dogg? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
What I find odd about these type of discussions are those who apparently know little about the PSA Set Registry(Like Corey and Leon)presume that PSA collectors must resubmit to maintain their position on the PSA Set Registry. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Hey Jim- how are you doing with your submission? Has the process started yet? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jim, obviously I agree that the issue of competition on the Registry is not what will drive resubmissions. As I've stated, if you have a valuable Registry set you almost have no choice but to resubmit; otherwise, you are leaving money on the table for all the 8s that could become 8.5s. For me, I won't resubmit until I'm ready to sell the set, though I might send in a handful of cards that I believe should get the pop at some point. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- it would be interesting if you were willing to share the results of your submission after it is completed. Your collection is so large that it would achieve some statistical norm regarding what percentage of cards would likely get half grade bumps- 10%, 20%, etc. And it would give other collectors an idea what to expect. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Jeff, |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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