Which back(s) do your T206 Lundgren's(Cubs & KC) have ?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

In response to several requests, I've started this survey....let's see what we can come up
with on both of these Lundgren cards ? ?






I will start this survey with my Lundgren cards........


.................,.....P 150.........P 350..........EPDG

Lundgren (Cubs).....1..............1...............1




.......................P 350......SC 350/30.......EPDG......Carolina Brights

Lundgren (KC)........1...............1..............1...... ..........0



NOTE....the only confirmed Sweet Caporal 350 back for this card is Factory 30. If your card
is an SC 350, please check it closely to see if it may be a Factory 25 ?


Thanks for your time & effort in checking out your T206 collections for data on these cards.
It should prove to be very interesting.



T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Thanks Ted,

Cubs - Pied 150

KC - Pied 350

Just the run of the mill for me. I do remember have a tough time even getting the Lundgren KC and couldn't figure out why. But the threads about the Lundgren card help explain why.

Lee

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Posted By: Matthew

For a while now, I've thought my KC version was an EPDG & was still looking for a Cubs version. So I got out my cards to make sure before I posted. To my surprise, I still need a KC version & my Cubs is an EPDG. So add to the list

Lundgren Cubs EPDG

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Posted By: Doug Moore

Lungren Chicago, I have a Piedmont 350. It's not in the best shape, (PSA 2) but it's still a Piedmont 350.

Lundgren KC I have EPDG.

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Posted By: DAN

Lundgren KC El Principe De Gales Fact 17

Lundgren Chi Nat'l Piedmont 150 Fact 25

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Posted By: mark s.

ted-
my lundgren cubs is: p 150 25

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Posted By: barry arnold

Chicago Pied 150/25
KC Carolina Brights

great work,Ted

best,

barry

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Posted By: Eric S.

All three of mine are Cubs with the following backs:

PD150 - Raw vg
PD150 - SCG 10
PD350 - Raw pr

I had difficulties locating the PD350 and really lucked upon it. My search for the EPDG has been dismal and to know that it auctioned for $600 was discouraging. I have run across many 150's, but mostly at shows as they don't seem to pop up much on web. Though nothing like a Magie or Doyle, the Lundgren (Cubs) with PD350 and EPDG definately deserves the attention as a rare find. How rare..........? It would be great if we could everyone to check their collections and get some good pops of the raw ones to append to the graded.

Ted, thanks for starting the thread. And, I too am a FlyBoy (UH-1N).

Eric

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

cubs-pied 150 raw
kc-pied 350 raw
kc-pied 350 sgc 40-thanks martin

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Posted By: rob

KC - CB

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted, Barry, and the rest of the gang.... I have the following Lundgren's:

Chicago:
Piedmont 150
Piedmont 350

KC
EPDG
Carolina Brights
Piedmont 350


Be well Brian

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Posted By: hennessey

just to varify from last thread about cost of card
http://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?itemid=10279.
it was $600 with out juice

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Posted By: Eric S.

Hennessey,

I know I would have bid more than $600 for that card and still cannot explain why it went so low. Maybe we will find through this thread that they are more abundant than believed to be and $600 is a fair price.

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

Ted-I only have a Lundgren Chicago-Piedmont 150

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for all your inputs....they will be tallied up later today.

Keep rolling in the inputs.


TED Z

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Ted:

Lundgren, Chi EP F 17 2nd VA

Lundgren, KC P F 25 2nd VA

Bob

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Posted By: Drew

Ted

Lundgren Chicago
P 150
P 150

Lundgren KC
Carolina Brights
P 350

Drew

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Lundgren (Cubs) = P150
Lundgren (K.C.) = None

Scot

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Posted By: keyway

Ted as I replied to the other post yesterday I have Lundgren, Cubs, EPDG. Frank

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Posted By: Dave S

Cubs--P150 (2)
KC--P350

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Posted By: Bill

Ted,

Lundgren Chicago SGC 30 Piedmont 150

Lundgren KC SGC 60 SC 350 Fac. 30

Bill

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

There was very brisk bidding on ebay in the Fall of '07 on a Lundgren/Cubs /EPDG (PSA4).
It sold for $860. I was surprised that it didn't go for over 1000....as the seller claimed that
this card was the only one in that category in the POP report.

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Posted By: Mike Ernst

3 Lundgren Chicago--all Piedmont 150
1 Kansas City--Piedmont 350

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I've been away all day, guys. So far, this is a pretty good response. Plus I have several emails from readers
with their inputs.

I'll tally up all this data tomorrow.

Thanks and let's have some more inputs on your Lundgren cards.


T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Betty

Ted
My Lundgren Cubs is a Piedmont 150 and my Lundgren KC is a Piedmont 350

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks guys and gals for all your inputs.

We need to have many more inputs in order to get a meaningful measure on these two Lundgren cards.

Keep them rolling in.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

In response to several requests, I've started this survey....let's see what we can come up
with on both of these Lundgren cards ? ?






I will start this survey with my Lundgren cards........


.........................P 150..........P 350..........EPDG

Lundgren (Cubs)......21...............5..............4




.........................P 350......SC 350/30.......EPDG......Carolina Brights

Lundgren (KC).........11...............2..............4.... ............4



NOTE....the only confirmed Sweet Caporal 350 back for this card is Factory 30. If your card
is an SC 350, please check it closely to see if it may be a Factory 25 ?


Thanks for your time & effort in checking out your T206 collections for data on these cards.
It should prove to be very interesting.



TED Z

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Posted By: Eric S.

Ted,

I feel both surprised and validated to find out that the PD350 and EPDG Cubs Lundgren are neck and neck. I'm glad you left it open for updates so we can get an accurate % to go off of. Whoever won the auction for $600 should be pleased this survey took place after the fact.

I'll check with some of the old salts that I know who are hidden from the general population and see what they have tucked away in their collections.

Thanks for tallying this up for us.

e

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Let's wait and see where this survey takes us. It's too early to draw any conclusions.
I hope we get a full week's worth of responses and then we will have a truer picture
of the back population of these two Lundgren cards.

At this point the data is somewhat skewed toward the tougher backs, since all of us
with the EPDG and Carolina Brights backs are excited to report them. After a random
response of 100+ inputs, a population pattern will reveal itself.

Actually, what surprises me the most (so far) is the very low number of Sweet Cap-
oral 350/30 backs that have been reported on the Lundgren (KC) card. This T-back,
next to the Piedmont backs, is the most easiest back to find on T206's.

Hey guys and gals, I know there are many more of these T206's in the Net54 world,
so show and/or tell us about your's ?



TED Z

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Posted By: Jeff W.

I won this one in the huggins and scott auction. And yes I am very happy about the price!



Jeff W.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I assume that your EPDG Lundgren's is the one that was referred to in an earlier post
on this thread......is that correct ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Jeff W.

Yep, this is the one that was mentioned earlier in the thread. I don't know if you have already included this in the survey or not?

Jeff W.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

In response to several requests, I've started this survey....let's see what we can come up with
on both of these Lundgren cards ? ?









UPDATED......2/23/09


...........................P 150..........P 350..........EPDG

Lundgren (Cubs)........29...............5..............4




...........................P 350......SC 350/30.......EPDG......Carolina Brights

Lundgren (KC)...........17...............2..............4.. ..............4



NOTE.....the only confirmed Sweet Caporal 350 back for the KC card is Factory 30. If your card
is an SC 350, please check it closely to see if it may be a Factory 25 ?


Thanks for your time & effort in checking out your T206 collections for data on these cards.
It should prove to be very interesting.


List has been updated with new inputs received over this weekend from several Net54 readers.


Now, how about some more INPUTS from you regulars that post on Net54 ?


TED Z

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Posted By: Dennis O'Brien

I have an SGC40 Lundgren W/ Cubs 150 subjects on a Piedmont back from factory #25.

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Posted By: RayB

Is it too early to deduce anything at all about the EPDG Back rarity of the Lundgren card as it realtes to that of the "Elite Eight"?
RayB

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Posted By: Anonymous

DENNIS

Thanks for your input.



RAY B

It is way to early in this survey to draw any conclusions regarding EPDG backs on these two T206's.
By the time we get 100+ inputs, we can start seeing a pattern.

The data, on the "elite eight" survey from 2 years ago, was collected for a period of over one year.
And, out of a total sampling of 1184 cards, only 20 of these cards had EPDG backs.

This Elite Eight survey's results is consistent with Barry Arnold's EPDG thread and survey of 4 years
ago. Barry's survey sampled 1000+ T206's, resulting in only 1.5% of this T206 population with EPDG
backs.



TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Understood Ted. Do you have a general feeling of what to expect?
Ray

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Posted By: Jim VB

Add one more of each to the standard answer:

Cubs is a P150.

KC is a P350.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The only thing I can say for certain is that a lot of Piedmont 150 backs will be reported for the Lundgren (Cubs).
And, a lot of Piedmont 350 backs will be reported for the Lundgren (KC).


TED Z

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Posted By: Scott L

Hi Ted

Add another P150 F25 for Cubs and SC350 F30 for KC.

Thanks.

Scott

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

In response to several requests, I've started this survey....let's see what we can come up with
on both of these Lundgren cards ? ?










UPDATED......2/24/09


...........................P 150..........P 350..........EPDG

Lundgren (Cubs)........36...............5..............4




...........................P 350......SC 350/30.......EPDG......Carolina Brights

Lundgren (KC)...........22...............3..............4.. ..............4



NOTE.....the only confirmed Sweet Caporal 350 back for the KC card is Factory 30. If your card
is an SC 350, please check it closely to see if it may be a Factory 25 or 30 ?


Thanks for your time & effort in checking out your T206 collections for data on these cards.
It should prove to be very interesting.


New inputs have been added from posters and four Net54 readers.


OK, so far we have accounted for 78 backs on these two Subjects. We need at least 100 - 200
inputs to have a more representative survey. So, lets not hold back....show & tell us about your
Lundgren cards ? ?


TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I continue to receive emails from Net54 readers with more Lundgren inputs. But, inputs from regulars who post
here have stopped. With all the T206 collecting power that resides on this forum, I find it hard to believe, that
as Peggy Lee used to sing....." Is That All There Is ? "


Anyway, I have received 5 more Lundgren inputs these past 2 days. But if this survey's data is going to reflect
a reasonable population of these two T206 Subjects, there needs be 100 - 200 total inputs.


So far, 24 regulars have posted a total of 78 inputs here. And, I really appreciate your time and effort. So how
about all of you who have not contributed yet....please check-out your T206's and tell us about your Lundgren
cards ?
We all benefit from these type of surveys.

Thanks very much.....I will update this survey this evening.

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Ted - Thanks for your work as always.
Unfortunately I do not own a Lundgren. Need EPDG of both versions for my collection.
Just thought I'd check in and report.

I think it might be possible that quite a few of the regular T206 collectors may be short on Lundgren.
If not give Ted a hand and report please.
RayB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

There are more Lundgren cards out there, Ray.....however, T206 surveys aren't as popular as
they were 2-4 years ago on this forum.

It is what it is.......not every one gets "addicted" to various T-brand backs like some of us do.

Yet, how many on this board, in the past 5 years, have been suckered into buying Graded (or
ungraded) T206's that have impossible front/back combinations ?



T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Inputs from 2 regular Net54 posters and from 4 readers, who emailed me have been added.



In response to several requests, I've started this survey....let's see what we can come up with
on both of these Lundgren cards ? ?










UPDATED......2/26/09


...........................P 150..........P 350..........EPDG

Lundgren (Cubs)........44...............5..............4




...........................P 350......SC 350/30.......EPDG......Carolina Brights

Lundgren (KC)...........26...............4..............4.. ..............4



NOTE.....the only confirmed Sweet Caporal 350 back for the KC card is Factory 30. If your card
is an SC 350, please check it closely to see if it may be a Factory 25 or 30 ?


Thanks for your time & effort in checking out your T206 collections for data on these cards.
It should prove to be very interesting.


OK, so far we have accounted for 91 backs on these two Subjects. We need at least 100 - 200
inputs to have a more representative survey. So, lets not hold back....show & tell us about your
Lundgren cards ? ?


TED Z

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Posted By: Dave

Mine are common:

Chicago is Piedmont 150 SGC30
KC is Piedmont 350 Raw, I rate it as a 4

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Posted By: Scot

Ted,

I just picked up Scott Levy's Lundgren (K.C.) Piedmont 350. Not sure whether it has already been counted.

Scot

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

DAVE

Thanks for your inputs. They will added to the survey tally when I update it tomorrow.


SCOT R

Scott's previous inputs have been added....however, his reported KC card is an SC 350/30.
So, your KC card will be added since it is a Piedmont 350.

Thanks,

TED Z

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Posted By: Ron R

Hi Ted,

I have Piedmont backs of both Lundgrens. 150 for Cubs and 350 for K.C.

Ron R

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

With inputs from Dave, Scot R, Ron R, and two emails from Net54 readers, we have attained
the 100-card milestone. However, I would like to see many more inputs here, in order to get
a more representative sampling of these two Lundgren cards. We are not at that point with
just a 100-card sample.


TED Z