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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Rich
Private transaction... |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: fkw
Good money for a guy who only had four 100 RBI season in his career. Along with only two season with over 23 HRs after his 30th Birthday. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Jason L
Mickey Mantle is by far the most overrated baseball player in the history of the game. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Paul S
Memory Lane and PSA? Hmmm..... |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
1st.....Did either of you actually see Mantle play during the 1950's and 1960-62 ? ? |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
I totally agree that he was overrated. I have maintained this stance for a long time. Having lived in New York for 40 years, it was very difficult to find any Yankee fan that was objective enough to see the light. Yes, I know about his WS records, blah blah blah. Not saying he doesn't deserve some accolades (how could you), but his larger than life persona, playing for the Yankees, and his personal struggles I feel overshadow the fact that he was the 3rd best centerfielder in NY during the 50's. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Anthony N.
Can someone that had a season like Mantle did in '56 really be overrated? |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Jim VB
I'm an objective Yankee fan, albeit a couple of years younger than Ted (not too many). |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Anthony N.
And had he taken care of himself instead of drinking so heavily he might have been the greatest ever. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
For the MVP's, I meant in the 50's. Granted, I forgot about 1957; still leaves Yogi 3-2. If you think Mantle was a better hitter than Snider, than I think objectivity is out the window. Who had the most home runs out of anyone in the 50's? Snider also drove in 190 more runs than Mantle in the 50's. Even if you take out 1950 for Snider, he still drove in more runs. Snider also had a better career fielding percentage. And also, more hits in the 50's (also not counting 1950). |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Anthony N.
DD- do you think that fielding % is overrated? Is there a way to gather the fielding range as well as %? Sort of like OBP + Slugging? |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Paul S
I could never figure out the reasoning of making the turning of a decade a kind of cutoff point. Players come up at different times, ride their crest a different times, have a subsequent resurgent year or get injured for a season, etc. A decade is too arbitrary a marker, I think. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
Fielding is overrated. Even so, Snider still topped Mantle. As far as the decade comparison, I was using Mantle's best decade as comparison. Even overall, there are many better than Mantle. His status not only in the hobby, but in baseball lore, is overstated. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Anthony N.
Why do you feel that fielding is overrated? If you scratch out 1 single every 3 AB's you're a star, but in one play an outfielder can easily prevent a run. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
Anthony, |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Jason L
I thought that might start something. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Todd Schultz
You didn't have to be from or in New York to see how great he was and how highly he was regarded. I grew up in Minnesota in the 60's. Mantle was idolized there as well, even in the face of pretty good Twins teams and with his talents waning as his legs betrayed him. His contemporaries could almost sound like schoolboys in their praise, and I believe the opinions of these stars is a strong endorsement of his greatness. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: dennis
mantle: he was the most famous player of his time, he was the best player on the best team in baseball from 1952 thru 1964. in that time frame the yankees won the AL pennant every year but 1954 & 1959. he was the fastest player in the league and the most powerful from both sides of the plate. he played one of the most demanding positions in the game and he was an all-star every year. the b.james hall of fame monitor ranks him as the #14 hitter of all time. boy this guy was really over rated. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Buck O'Neil was once asked by a sports reporter who was the best ballplayer he had seen play the game. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Neal Kane
Mantle overrated? Puh-leeze. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Jim VB
You would be hard pressed to complain about any of those three guys (Mantle, Mays, Snider) in your outfield. Mays always made everything look so smooth and easy that many thought he wasn't even trying (He was.) Plus there was still some racial bias that played into how Mays was treated. Mantle's personality, especially early Mantle, made him a media and fan darling for his career and beyond. Snider was doomed to finish third to those guys. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
We have vehement disagreement. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Eric
So outside of the famed HONUS WAGNER card.... the 52 topps mantle is the next most recognized card in the hobby.... |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Jim VB
"We have vehement disagreement." |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Jim VB
"So outside of the famed HONUS WAGNER card.... the 52 topps mantle is the next most recognized card in the hobby.... |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
I agree about Ted. Jerk or not, he was an American hero, and the greatest hitter of all time. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: marty q
ted w couldn't shine joe d's shoe's as far as being a complete ball player!!! hitter yes he was better, not by much, and his american heroism is great, but that is not the discussion is it? joe d any day! being that the thread was hijacked already by somebody it must be ok to post this. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
Wow, an overstatement if I ever heard one. Ted outshines Joe D in every category with the exception of his wife was better looking, he was jealous of his wife, and if the stories of domestic abuse are true, well, that just adds to his noteriety. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
DD......"We have vehement disagreement."......mellow out, guy. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
Ted, |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
What seems to be your problem ? ? |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
I don't have a problem Ted. Not sure what you mean by aggressive? I posted in the unopened packs thread, re-read all of them, and find nothing wrong. As far as the rare cards thread, I was trying to keep with the theme, and had some questions about some of the more common cards, at least when it comes to rarity, that you had indicated. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You seem to be stuck on this......"4-color printing process"......you keep repeating it. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
Ted, |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: marty
" Ted outshines Joe D in every category"...lol....hysterical!! who has the overstatement now!!! david-davis dont know you until this post, but let me guess,? i might be wrong but are you a sox fan? you are also clueless!! did you ever see the clip where ted himself says joe was a better runner fielder and was unmatched in his abilty to play the game? yes i am a yankee fan, but i am not biased, ted was a better hitter, but thats where it ends, why i would do this with you after you are making a claim for manny ramirez, thats a bigger laugh than your other claim, your right. besides being a classless jerk towards ownership and the media and also the fans, ted was the best!! seems you like to voice your opinion, but someone calls you on it you get bent, (see the ted z posts above for proof). have a good night, and yes ted was better than ruth and gehrig also, feel better? |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: DD
Not getting bent Marty; just trying to avoid additional conflict. I can agree to disagree, and also let go whatever I got involved in with Ted. It just became pointless to continue. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Fred Y
Frank, you sure know how to stir it up when it comes to Mantle! |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Anthony N.
Suddenly this board is starting to sound as contentious and petty as the vintage board. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: sagard
By most accounts Mantle was given the legs of Mays. Only he hurt his knee as a young man and reportedly had a lifestyle that most can't keep up. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: leon
I agree with Anthony. You guys settle down a bit.....it's all fun and we are all friends. If you don't be careful I will let Peter C come over here... |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: dennis
leon now that is a threat that no one should ignore! |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: JimCrandell
Forget about how good Mickey Mantle is for a minute--what do you guys think of $600,000 for the card???!!! |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Anthony N.
Given the sellers past legal history and the fact that it was a private sale I"m inclined to view it with a lot of skepticism. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: dennis
i know it is a condition rarity,but $600.000.00 for a card that is in fact really common,i think if it were me and i had that kind of $$$ i would wait till it or its equal went to auction. now ,if it were me w/my current income i would buy a house, a new car,pay off my credit cards and put my daughter thru college and still have some $$ left over. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: JimCrandell
If this is a real sale, its a staggering number. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: JimCrandell
Anthony, |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Paul
I am stunned by the selling price. I own a 51 Mantle. It's in a very nice VG-Ex condition. I am very happy with it. What's it worth? Maybe 2 or 3K? What value would I place on owning this PSA10 version instead? If I couldn't sell it, maybe 500 bucks tops. I'm probably in the minority on that. But an extra $597,000? That's just lunacy to me. I'd much rather have two or three hundred 51 Mantles, not to mention things like the Just So Cy Young, a Baltimore Ruth, or a few dozen E107 Hall of Famers. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Rob Scales
Williams may have been a better hitter, but he doesn't have a 56 game hitting streak -- probably the most impressive of all baseball records. |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: marty
hi jim, you asked "Forget about how good Mickey Mantle is for a minute--what do you guys think of $600,000 for the card???!!!" |
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PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mantle Sold
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Your......"-- probably the most impressive of all baseball records"......certainly distinguishes Joe D from the rest. |
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