T206 Question: Good Price?

[AK11]

Hi everyone. I just bought a SGC graded T206 Nap Lajoie Portrait with an Old Mill back. There is only 1 Old Mill back Lajoie Portrait in the PSA pop report and only 1 in the SGC report. It was in low grade, but is this considered a scarce back for a Lajoie? Would it be a premium at all to T206 collectors? I didn't pay much, so any information is greatly appreciated from the T206 collectors here. Thanks,

Andrew

[T206Collector]

...That Old Mill will sometimes bring a light premium for commons, but not much of a bump for HOFers. Nice card, to be sure, but not much excitement in Old Mill.

[AK11]

Yeah, Old Mill backs are not super tough, but just wanted to know since it is not common for a Lajoie Portrait to have a Old Mill back. Like in the PSA report, there is 18 Old Mill Lajoie with bat versus the lone portrait. Thank you for the info.

[shaunsteig]

When I first saw your post, I initially thought similar to T206Collector -- that the Old Mill back wouldn't give much of a bump for a HOFer front. For example, T206museum.com lists the Old Mill as a 1.3 multiplier (ie, 30% bump) for common fronts but no increase for someone like Lajoie.

But then I checked on VCP (given that you had already combed through the PSA and SGC pop reports), and they only record 2 sales of a Lajoie Portrait with Old Mill back (and SGC 30 for $180 and a PSA 4 for $750), versus innumerable sales with Piedmont/SC fronts. So I wonder if you actually might be onto something.

[sreader3]

All other things being equal, most collectors will take an Old Mill over a Piedmont or Sweet Cap. Typical premium is 15-20% in my experience.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by shaunsteig

When I first saw your post, I initially thought similar to T206Collector -- that the Old Mill back wouldn't give much of a bump for a HOFer front. For example, T206museum.com lists the Old Mill as a 1.3 multiplier (ie, 30% bump) for common fronts but no increase for someone like Lajoie.

But then I checked on VCP (given that you had already combed through the PSA and SGC pop reports), and they only record 2 sales of a Lajoie Portrait with Old Mill back (and SGC 30 for $180 and a PSA 4 for $750), versus innumerable sales with Piedmont/SC fronts. So I wonder if you actually might be onto something.

Yikes, a T206museum.com reference!

[shaunsteig]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Yikes, a T206museum.com reference!

Am aware of the whole Old Mill overprint scandal, but I was under the impression that the perpetrators of that fraud had made their amends and that the site remained reliable. Am I mistaken?

Also, my impression is that the T206.org valuation calculator uses the same numbers as T206museum.com, with the difference that T206museum lists the individual back and grade multipliers.

[mintacular]

t206.org, their valuation is really off on hindu backs

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by shaunsteig

Am aware of the whole Old Mill overprint scandal, but I was under the impression that the perpetrators of that fraud had made their amends and that the site remained reliable. Am I mistaken?

Also, my impression is that the T206.org valuation calculator uses the same numbers as T206museum.com, with the difference that T206museum lists the individual back and grade multipliers.

IMO, the scandal was just too egregious to ever go to that site again. And I'm sure that Trae doesn't even want to be mentioned in the same sentence as T206museum.com.

[shaunsteig]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

IMO, the scandal was just too egregious to ever go to that site again. And I'm sure that Trae doesn't even want to be mentioned in the same sentence as T206museum.com.

No disrespect intended. Perhaps Trae can enlighten us how the valuations on T206.org are based. I'm curious if it uses the same numbers as T206museum. And when it was last updated.

Originally Posted by mintacular

t206.org, their valuation is really off on hindu backs

I've found that it seems to undervalue the higher grade cards (it puts a common PSA 6 at $125 when for the most part they're going for $150-200, or a PSA 7 for $250 when they're going northward of $350), and takes no account for many of the "uncommon" or "desirable" commons -- Doyle (NY), Magee portrait (non-error). I've found that no one pricing source is perfect for valuing cards, so in general you can't rely on just one. But between SMR, VCP, and the T206 calculators it gives a good sense of things. Of course, the more rare the item, then the less reliable the data.

Thanks,
--S

[B O'Brien]

Just speaking for myself, but I will pay top dollar for a tough combo, but only if it is something I need/want. Pretty much the only time it hurts is when someone else needs it too. I was willing to pay way over market for one combo that I needed for a very long time, but got it at half of what my bid was, just because no other folks needed the card.

I have also been blown out of the water on some cards that I did not think were that special. I think that is one of the fun things about the T206 front/back combos. I paid top dollar for my SC350/460 Factory 25 Joss when I need that combo and paid well above market for a SC 350,25 Collins a couple weeks ago. It only brings the money if you find one person willing to pay for it at a set price or two folks in an auction.
Not sure if that is clear or not, but hjope all is well,
Bob

[Rob D.]

Proof that a combo doesn't need to be rare to bring big bucks.

[B O'Brien]

I wonder who won that Lajoie Cycle?
Bob

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by B O'Brien

I wonder who won that Lajoie Cycle?
Bob

Yeah, what an idiot.