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He has submitted cards to PSA to grade since the late 1990s. From that time up until 2018 or so, he was able to guess the grade of his submitted card to 1 grade above/below and was normally right on the number. All of his submitted cards were vintage, maybe half prewar and half postwar.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nHowever, since 2019, more often his guesses were incorrect by 1 or more grades. Cards that used to be 7s are now 6s or 5s… or ever worse. In the group he submitted a few months ago, 60 percent came back at least 1 grade lower than anticipated.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nFor those that submit to PSA, are you seeing the same thing? 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It seems to me that they take an even harsher grading approach to a card that is even slightly off-center. These new graders are so used to seeing perfectly centered new cards, that 40/60 off center vintage cards are getting hammered.....and it seems that they don\'t realize vintage cards were manufactured with rougher non-perfect cuts, as compared to modern. 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It seems to me that they take an even harsher grading approach to a card that is even slightly off-center. These new graders are so used to seeing perfectly centered new cards, that 40/60 off center vintage cards are getting hammered.....and it seems that they don\'t realize vintage cards were manufactured with rougher non-perfect cuts, as compared to modern. It would be great to see different graders for only modern OR only vintage."</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I generally agree with these sentiments.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSome opportunistic collectors are targeting recently graded cards as an opportunity to pick them up for cheap since they are undergraded.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Trying to wrap up my master mays set, with just a few left:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n1968 American Oil left side<br />\r\n1971 Bazooka numbered complete panel\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2331431" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2331431 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2331431_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">raulus</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=883728">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=883728" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to raulus</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=883728" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by raulus</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2331431 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2331431 -' + '->';
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pd[2331458] = '<!-' + '- post #2331458 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2331458" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2331458" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2331458&amp;postcount=9" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2331458" name="9"><strong>9</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2331458"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				04-12-2023, 04:08 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			<td class="alt2"><a href="member.php?u=105524"><img src="image.php?u=105524&amp;dateline=1603666055"   alt="JollyElm\'s Avatar" border="0" /></a></td>\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2331458">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=105524">JollyElm</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="JollyElm is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2331458", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nD@rr&#931;n Hu.gh&#931;s\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				Member\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Aug 2011</div>\r\n					<div>Location: Cardboard Land</div>\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 8,311\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2331458">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2331458">\r\n			\r\n			There has been an incredibly marked increase in the number of \'lower\' graded cards on display and up for sale at the shows I\'ve been to recently. The vast majority of the PSA cards fit into the <b>\'Frontsixer\'</b> category, where they were graded very recently <i>(as seen by cert numbers beginning with a 6)</i>. 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It seems to me that they take an even harsher grading approach to a card that is even slightly off-center.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Agree.  Although I am new to grading, Modern cards I have had graded (2010-2022) are close to what I anticipated.  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While I think we can all agree that “BVG-esque” grading that is too easy / reminiscent of raw grading in the early 1990’s or even 80’s is no longer the standard - there is no reason for PSA today to be grading cards with decent centering, clean surfaces and just minor touches of corner wear 3’s and 4’s when as recently as earlier in the Lighthouse holder generation - the same cards were grading at least 2 points higher on average. <br />\n<br />\nI don’t submit myself, but as an example - I bought a ‘63 Clemente in a PSA 4 fairly recently on eBay. The card is not perfectly centered, but I would imagine meets the criteria for at least a 6. The surface is clean, the color is bright, and the card has three NM corners and one that I would call probably EX at worst with a light ding. I wouldn’t expect it to be a 6.5 or anything, but….a 4? Really? I have scrutinized it up and down and I really see nothing that should prevent the card from having gotten at least a 5. 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While I think we can all agree that &#8220;BVG-esque&#8221; grading that is too easy / reminiscent of raw grading in the early 1990&#8217;s or even 80&#8217;s is no longer the standard - there is no reason for PSA today to be grading cards with decent centering, clean surfaces and just minor touches of corner wear 3&#8217;s and 4&#8217;s when as recently as earlier in the Lighthouse holder generation - the same cards were grading at least 2 points higher on average. </div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Ya, this is my #1 gripe as well. Well-centered cards with pristine surfaces, registration, and color finding their way into PSA 3 holders because of a super tiny amount of corner wear. I have a 52T Mays that is a stunning EX copy that I found in a PSA 3 holder. I laughed pretty hard the moment it arrived. Then, I immediately cracked it out. Back in the day, we would just assume there must be a small crease somewhere or some other significant flaw. But not today. 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I buy the cards, not the grade, and it takes so many cards off the table now because of how far they\'ve moved the goalposts since then. I\'ve seen countless VGEX cards that I\'d love to buy, but I can\'t because they\'re sitting in PSA 6 holders and the sellers understandably are married to what\'s on that label. It also makes trading much more difficult, because the guy holding that PSA 8 with the 04xx cert with corners that would get a 5 at most today still thinks they\'re holding pure gold, and if they wait long enough for the right sucker to come around, they might still be able to cash in. 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