t206 "wet transfers": your current view

Abravefan11 · #1 06-08-2012, 02:18 PM

As I said in my initial, it�s my opinion that many of the transfers being discussed happened during the storage of the cards and not the printing process. This is based on looking at many examples of T206 transfers and the conclusions that I have drawn from doing so. I�m sure others will have a different opinion and I don�t begrudge them that. It�s all good information to consider.

The card below is a great example of what I believe to be a transfer that happened during storage.

Given how the T206 cards were printed and packed for distribution to their factories, I can�t come up with a plausible explanation for how a wet Sweet Caporal back would have transferred onto a Polar Bear card at the press. The Polar Bear and Sweet Caporal cards went to different factories and couldn�t have been printed on the same press without the stone being changed. It makes little sense to intermingle the product after printing and then to resort it for distribution after cutting. Anything is possible, I just don�t find it likely.

Next if you overlay an image of a Sweet Caporal back onto the Overall you see where the top card only covers half of the right side border of the Overall. A close look at the unaltered Overall image shows a distinct line running down the middle of the right hand border. I believe that his was where the edge of the top card stopped leaving the remainder of the Overall border exposed. The edge between the two was a place for discoloration or grim to build up and produce the visible line.

I don�t think that this transfer process can be reproduced by soaking a card for a number of hours or even weeks. I don�t profess to know the recipe but I would guess humidity, pressure, and time would all play a role. Without the right mixture it�s unlikely that we could reproduce the results. I think this process was extremely slow and the factor of time would limit most of us from being able to reproduce the results.

I�m not saying wet sheet transfers don�t exist. I just don�t believe all transfers happened at the time of printing. Again it�s just my opinion shared for the discussion.

atx840 · #2 06-08-2012, 02:40 PM

I'd have to agree with Tim on a few of these. Here is one I have that looks more of an environmentally caused transfer.

Side note - I have seen a 649 SC back transferred on to a notebook sheet that was soaked off a card, likely due to the glue used.

Johnny I think you mean this one......very nice transfer.

Exhibitman · #3 06-08-2012, 02:59 PM

Like I said, I'm sure that the right solvent could loosen the ink on anything. But look at how hazy the ink is on the cards shown as examples of 'storage transfers' and how damaged the 2nd card looks to boot--like a stain you'd be hard-pressed to identify if you didn't know it was a SC back image--readily distinguished from the crisp ghosts we are used to seeing.

wonkaticket · #4 06-08-2012, 03:12 PM

Adam, agree.

Something beyond the natural environment, time etc. was involved to create such cards like the Polar Bear card Tim posted. Not saying it was done on purpose or anything just something got to those cards beyond natural storage circumstances IMO.

As I said prior been thru thousands of these and other tobacco issues from the era found every way under the sun, but have yet to ever see or peel away another card to see the traces of the card on top.

Then there’s the fundamental question I asked earlier…..where are all the ghost fronts of ball players, flags, fish etc. on the backs of these cards?

Seems to me this natural occurring set of conditions would also render copies of fronts on backs not just backs on fronts….

Cheers,

John

P.S. Adam you have to sell me that card one day.

Leon · #5 06-08-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Then there�s the fundamental question I asked earlier�..where are all the ghost fronts of ball players, flags, fish etc. on the backs of these cards?

Seems to me this natural occurring set of conditions would also render copies of fronts on backs not just backs on fronts�.

Cheers,

John

On back....though maybe this one doesn't count since it's a scrap?

wonkaticket · #6 06-08-2012, 03:24 PM

Scrap..Leon... wouldn't count that like the above not a production card but very cool and love seing it!

atx840 · #7 06-08-2012, 03:43 PM

I have seen a few wet sheet transfers of front players, these appear to be faded/blurrier then the printed reverse ghosts like Leon's.

Iggyman posted this scrapbook sheet a while ago.

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tbob · #8 06-08-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Like I said, I'm sure that the right solvent could loosen the ink on anything. But look at how hazy the ink is on the cards shown as examples of 'storage transfers' and how damaged the 2nd card looks to boot--like a stain you'd be hard-pressed to identify if you didn't know it was a SC back image--readily distinguished from the crisp ghosts we are used to seeing.

I am in the very small minority, I guess, that just doesn't like blurred or slurred or out fo focus images. For those who like them, I say "great! More power to you!" but give me a nice in focus, sharp register, creaseless prewar card any day. I will say that Adams' Obak Moser with the "ghost" on the back is a great card though. (I own one CJ which looks like a PSA 7 but is psychedelic with an off-register image, but that's the only one I want and I'll probably sell it off someday).

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