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Christy Mathewson's signed edition of Won in the Ninth?
Peter Nash has written an article stating that the signed copies of Mathewson's Won in the Ninth were not signed by him http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=9557
As a book collector with no expertise in autographs (I can barely recognize my own handwriting), I'd be interested in what people here think Max
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It's a point of contention and there are two camps, those that think he signed the bookplates, and those that think they are ghost signed. you have to look at evidence on both sides and decide what you think. I have a hard time seeing that matty signed these. PSA and JSA cert them and auction houses sell them, but recently a couple auction houses have pulled them. Last edited by travrosty; 07-12-2012 at 10:40 PM. |
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I would also agree with Ron.
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What I find interesting is that the known genuine Mathewson signatures show a lot of differences while the bookplates are very consistent. Maybe that's a strike against them, maybe not?
It makes me think of another question I've had that I think I'll ask in it's own thread as it's more general. Steve B |
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Sorry for the mishmash of thoughts. Part of me is disappointed that there is mystery as to the authenticity of these because I would really love to own one some day. Not like the mystery will ever be solved... Max, you own one of these, no?
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It seems like in every case of a signed copy of the book the Christy portion of the signature carries a crossed T in nearly the same spot on the letter. However, in the authentic exemplars of the signature posted on the site the T is crossed only sometimes, with many of the signatures not having a defined T, but carrying more of a general dash at the very very top where the T would be crossed. The Mathewson portion of the signature seems not to line up either. In most of the book signatures the TH in Mathewson are squished together. In the authentic examples there is a defined space between the TH in Mathewson, sort of like the Mantle M flick in Mantle.
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There are inconsistencies found on these bookplates that really cant be found elsewhere on exemplars both before and after these were purported to be signed.
The capital M in Mathewson normally points way back if you follow the beginning stroke backwards toward the name Christy. These bookplates have the first stroke in Mathewson point down right away if you follow it back, it doesn't make sense if you look at the historical record of his signature. he did this 500 times in a row, but both before and after he didn't seem to do it this way. check out all the other exemplars siged in a similar time frame and other time frames and look a where the M points. How do 500 point down in an acute angle when almost all the other ones you see point way back over the top of the ty in Christy in the majority of them and over the y on the rest, but none fall short of the y like in the 400 or 500 examples he did for the bookplates? Last edited by travrosty; 07-13-2012 at 08:46 PM. |
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Ok, but how does that work with the inconsistency in the ones shown that are good.
All of the ones with just the first initial are angled way down, probably part of the initial being combined with the last name. Some Ts crossed at an angle, but one straight across Some Ss in the last name tall but some short some with sort of moon shaped lower loops, some very oval. most Ns point right at the end, but one points straight down. The Es are sometimes loops, sometimes points, and at least once, more like an uppercase E. Some Cs taller than the H, some much shorter. There's Got to be something more than one odd variance that the experts are seeing. Otherwise, I'd have to doubt many of the good ones too. Note, I'm not saying that Someone whose opinion has a lot of respect is wrong, just that I'm not seeing what he might be seeing. Steve B Steve B Last edited by steve B; 07-13-2012 at 09:15 PM. Reason: fixed a couple typos |
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yes, but those good ones show differences, but here and there, some have a difference here, some there, with different letters. These bookplates show a difference that doesnt seem to show up any other place, both before and after, only 400 in a row like that never to be seen again, or before. that's what makes it suspect.
other anomalies from the other good examplars can be found before and after, in other signatures signed in different places, under different circumstances. on letters and other pieces of paper. these are 400 in a row signed just one way we have never really seen before or since that signing. that's what makes it suspect. If he angled the M down sharply like that, why wouldn't he do that a few times after he signed these bookplates? signatures dont just take a big left turn like that and then revert to how they were signed before. that is my observation. i respect everyones opinion. Last edited by travrosty; 07-14-2012 at 08:37 AM. |
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Wayne
I don't have a signed copy. I'd much rather have a dust jacketed copy of this book than a signed one, even with a legitimate signature Max
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Very good point, Travis! Thanks for the comparitive look at all the exemplars. |
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