Ron Keurajian's new book

[r2678]

Is there an Addie Joss example?

[isaac2004]

Originally Posted by r2678

Is there an Addie Joss example?

Yes there is

[michael3322]

Can someone who has the book post any more information about the Joss auto, especially since it was such a hot topic recently with the auction that featured his hand-writing and the recent reported discovery of another Joss auto that appears to have been a fake.

Thanks.

[r2678]

In a nut shell; The auto shown is from an autograph album purportedly from the estate of Nap Lajoie. Where possible, the autos in this album match known signatures. But when it comes to Joss, "it should be considered an unconfirmed signature, simply because there is nothing to compare it to."

[JimStinson]

My two cents...When Ron was working on the book he asked me and I told him at that time there were what I believed to be two genuine examples of Addie Joss signature. There is some variation in both.

The one example he used in the book. The other example which was obtained from Joss widow he did not as he was not confident enough in it to use it , so he didn't.

Since then a postcard written by Addie and addressed to his son surfaced (I think its mentioned in this thread) and it matches exactly The example I have that originated from the wife which was not in the book. I believe all three are genuine. Two are in private collections and I have no idea where the other one ended up as I never saw the original only a copy.
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[isaac2004]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

My two cents...When Ron was working on the book he asked me and I told him at that time there were what I believed to be two genuine examples of Addie Joss signature. There is some variation in both.

The one example he used in the book. The other example which was obtained from Joss widow he did not as he was not confident enough in it to use it , so he didn't.

Since then a postcard written by Addie and addressed to his son surfaced (I think its mentioned in this thread) and it matches exactly The example I have that originated from the wife which was not in the book. I believe all three are genuine. Two are in private collections and I have no idea where the other one ended up as I never saw the original only a copy.
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jim@stinsonsports.com

Well with 3 separate examples, and if you believe each to be authentic, I think we (I mean you or Ron, since you have seen all 3) can safely "authenticate" any examples separate than these three that surface in the hobby. The price 1 of those 3 will command when they eventually go to auction, whew.

[JimStinson]

Well ....Yes and No, He and I mildly disagree at present as to the authenticity of all three of what I would consider "knowns"...legit signatures of Joss. The example I cite from the widow might not even exist anymore as it appears to be an old style xerox , so she might have just sent out the copy and not the original. Or maybe only had a copy herself.

Then you add the intangibles of the signature variations , and rarity which would (I hope) make anyone who trys to authenticate an Addie Joss signature be looking at more than just "slant, formation, pen pressure etc etc, blah blah" and be instead looking for ROCK SOLID provenance and the ability to back track what? Almost 100 years to practically "put the pen in his hand" Anything less would be negligent considering what his signature would sell for either via auction or outright sale.
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