Ebay delibrately leaving bad items on the board - they need the $$$

thecatspajamas · #1 03-16-2013, 09:16 PM

Travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, NO FAKE AUTOS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: ALL AUTHENTICATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME: they are ALL being given free reign on eBay!

There is no preference being given by eBay to PSA, JSA or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

johnmh71 · #2 03-17-2013, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, NO FAKE AUTOS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: ALL AUTHENTICATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME: they are ALL being given free reign on eBay!

There is no preference being given by eBay to PSA, JSA or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

+1

Leon · #3 03-17-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

... The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

There was 50% that was coherent? I guess I was reading the other 50%.

yanksfan09 · #4 03-17-2013, 10:53 AM

Message to ebay: It's been brought to my attention that ebay may have recently had a policy change, regarding reported autograph forgeries. Some members of the autograph EMR team have recently been unsuccessful in trying to take down bad items that they see and report. I personally spend a lot of money on ebay every year, as I'm sure you can see and so do thousands of other autograph and sports memorabilia collectors. I certainly hope there was not a change in policy here that is making you move in a backwards direction regarding taking down fraudulent listings. Many other collectors will catch on soon enough and begin to look elsewhere when making purchases if ebay doesn't provide the proper buyer protection. Ignoring all the bad forgeries to make more $ is unacceptable. If you're the host, you take on a certain level of responsibility to police the listings and do your best to make sure the buyers are protected. As they are the lifeblood of your site in the first place. I realize some will always slip through the cracks and it may be hard to check out everything. However, you guys need to do a better job in taking down reported items.

Many experienced collectors, like myself, report bad items all the time. I think the majority of the time I see nothing done about it either. I only make reports when I'm 100% certain an item is bad and anyone with a trained eye who reviews my reports would have to agree, as I only report the most obvious and blatant items! It's very discouraging to watch a reported item continue on and become a completed listing for some unknowing buyer. Likely they are inexperienced young buyers and they end up getting burned. It's a shortsighted move on behalf of ebay to let these items slip through and let these buyers get burned. Once they gain more knowledge in the hobby later on, they will realize they were ripped off and ebay may lose that customer for good. It's penny wise and pound foolish!

That's the message I just attempted to send to ebay. ( I used every last one of the 2000 characters in the message) . Only, I can't find how to email it to customer support. The only way I could find to write any message to ebay was on some survey after I responded that the search was unsuccessful for the topic I was trying to get help to. I'm sure I didn't send it to where I'd want to.

anyone know the customer support email? Or do you think it would be best to send a physical printed letter to their headquarters? Anyone know that address?

jgmp123 · #5 03-17-2013, 12:03 PM

I found this one... rswebhelp@ebay.com

yanksfan09 · #6 03-17-2013, 12:10 PM

thanks, I'll try that one

Forever Young · #7 03-17-2013, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, no fake autos are being taken down, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: All authenticators are being treated the same: They are all being given free reign on ebay!

there is no preference being given by ebay to psa, jsa or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

hahahaha @ "dancing in the streets".

RichardSimon · #8 03-18-2013, 09:17 AM

Through the grapevine information, and totally unconfirmed, I have heard that a new exec at ebay has led to this policy change of not removing bogus autographs. His sole priority is profit and attempting to keep the site honest is no longer important. How very shortsighted and pathetically sad.
Guess it is time to post this vintage cut, minimum bid $1.99

GrayGhost · #9 03-18-2013, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Through the grapevine information, and totally unconfirmed, I have heard that a new exec at ebay has led to this policy change of not removing bogus autographs.. His sole priority is profit and attempting to keep the site honest is no longer important. How very shortsighted and pathetically sad.
Guess it is time to post this vintage cut.

What's a matter w that? Smalls and Benny the Jet would pass that off as good in the Sandlot

travrosty · #10 03-18-2013, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, NO FAKE AUTOS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: ALL AUTHENTICATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME: they are ALL being given free reign on eBay!

There is no preference being given by eBay to PSA, JSA or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

like i said, if they wont take down the jsa or psa fakes, then why should the other fakes get picked on when the psa and jsa fakes get a "get out of jail free card?

If they ONLY took down jsa and psa fakes and made it their official policy, i suppose you would be happy they are at least taking down something?

don't you see when the shoe is on the other foot, even you wouldn't hold the same opinion as before, but since the psa and jsa fakes stay up when the others didnt enjoy the same protection, to you that is better than nothing, but switch it around and it is NOT better than nothing.

i take the same tack either way, either get serious about removing fakes or don't. when they protected psa and jsa fakes, they didnt get serious, and now they are removing nothing, so they are not serious. nothing has changed.

the only ones that should be mad at the new ebay policy is psa and jsa, they now have competition for their fakes being offered. there was no shortage of fakes on ebay before even if all the non-psa and jsa fakes were removed. Still plenty of protected autos of the psa and jsa variety being offered, but i just never heard any outrage at that.

It was picking winners and losers. they were saying all psa and jsa autographs were winners and all others were losers.

i offered an autograph from a private signing session i did and it included a picture of the guy signing the item and it got taken down. why? politics only.

if it had no picture but a psa or jsa cert, it would have been golden. it's slanted from day one people!

zipper always claims hijacking threads, but its only hijacking if someone says something he doesn't like. zipper approved popular speech isn't hijacking.

I put out an alternative of what ebay could do, actually two of them. i really liked leon's suggestion. zero
maybe everyone likes what they were doing before, protecting psa and jsa. i know the auction houses love it, but it's one big nest of protection from the authenticators, the auction houses, the publications and the other hangers on who can make a buck off the current system of protection and back scratching. Don't rock the boat and don't change the status quo. The loser is the collector as always. Ebay will figure out what to do eventually. There were EMR's who are authenticators for the pre-approved companies, EMR's with big accounts on ebay selling their autographs. conflicts of interests abound. Let's clean it up and if ebay starts by going back to square one, then I await them to do some REAL cleaning up of the hobby and their auction house. But it will take a pair, not just saying to psa or jsa, "just list" whatever the heck it is you want and we will leave it up".

Fuddjcal · #11 03-18-2013, 12:48 PM

slanted schmanted.....I will not buy or sell anything on e-bay...ANYTHING PERIOD, if this is in fact happening. I'm sure missing 1 customer won't hurt them but they will be no better than the current selling platforms that are infected with 99% fakes IMHO and I'm not going to feed companies that sell fake autographs. If that's happening, tyou know they are selling fake high end purses, fake watches, fake gold , f that. I'm out. Good luck e-bay, it was nice knowing you.

D. Bergin · #12 03-18-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

slanted schmanted.....I will not buy or sell anything on e-bay...ANYTHING PERIOD, if this is in fact happening. I'm sure missing 1 customer won't hurt them but they will be no better than the current selling platforms that are infected with 99% fakes IMHO and I'm not going to feed companies that sell fake autographs. If that's happening, tyou know they are selling fake high end purses, fake watches, fake gold , f that. I'm out. Good luck e-bay, it was nice knowing you.

Sorry, but EBAY doesn't sell anything.

It is comprised of individual sellers, each with their own specific reputation or lack of reputation they can hang their hat on. It's not hard to narrow down the items of a specific seller you trust, from all the other nonsense you find on Ebay doing a general search.

That's kind of like opening up an issue of SCD 25 years ago, and telling yourself I'm not going to buy anything from Richard Simon, because Coach's Corner also advertises in SCD.

mighty bombjack · #13 03-18-2013, 01:43 PM

This seems to make sense for eBay. It may not solely be a matter of letting everything go through so profits go up, but it could be them throwing their hands up at frustration with their accepted LOAs. Can you imagine the winding paths of truth, opinion, and politics that a fraud protection staffer at ebay must wander when dealing with autographs? I'd bet it makes the squabbles on this board look like afternoon tea. Further, remember the post about someone at eBay allegedly saying that the big alphabets sucked? Well, the natural progression of that Travis-esque frustration is to let everything go through and let the buyer beware.

They certainly won't start paying in-house people to authenticate and take down fakes, as that would cut into profits two ways.

So here we are.

thecatspajamas · #14 03-18-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

They certainly won't start paying in-house people to authenticate and take down fakes, as that would cut into profits two ways.

Now that I certainly agree with. From what I understand, none of the EMR's were ever paid one cent by eBay, nor does eBay pay any of the other watchdogs for counterfeit items (Gucci, Prada, unlicensed KISS merchandise, bootleg Disney DVDs, etc etc). The difference is, those other companies have their own in-house experts who find and report the fakes directly to eBay to protect their own "brands". It's one thing for a company or individual to say, "We didn't produce or authorize that," and something else for a third party to say, "As a concerned citizen, I don't think that was produced by them."

It's hard enough for eBay personnel to figure out whose opinion to listen to in the first place when it comes to autographs. It's not like calling up Louis Vuitton and asking the head of their fraud department who their go-to guy for identifying fake handbags is. By and large, celebrities whose autographs are being sold do not have "authorized representatives" to make those definitive calls (I'm sure there are some that do, but most don't).

Considering what a small sliver of the overall eBay pie is represented by "autographed collectibles," there's absolutely no chance that eBay is going to pay someone in-house to do third-party analysis of signed items.

RichardSimon · #15 03-18-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

From what I understand, none of the EMR's were ever paid one cent by eBay, nor does eBay pay any of the other watchdogs for counterfeit items.

You are absolutely correct, ebay never paid one cent to the EMR's.
EMR's only do the work for the good of the hobby. It is time consuming and no reward is paid by ebay except for a very small token which is given out at Christmas. (every year a pen, a memory stick, a thermos, etc). Works out to about five cents an hour.
I have now been informed that the card side is experiencing the same thing as the autograph side. EMR reports are being ignored and allegedly a re-organization has occurred in the oversight division.
THEY DON'T CARE ANY LONGER, if they ever really cared at all.

Fuddjcal · #16 03-19-2013, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Sorry, but EBAY doesn't sell anything.

It is comprised of individual sellers, each with their own specific reputation or lack of reputation they can hang their hat on. It's not hard to narrow down the items of a specific seller you trust, from all the other nonsense you find on Ebay doing a general search.

That's kind of like opening up an issue of SCD 25 years ago, and telling yourself I'm not going to buy anything from Richard Simon, because Coach's Corner also advertises in SCD.

diagree dave...it would make them no better than the other platforms that don't filter fakes. I will not buy from those platforms. I will not buy a thing from a DEALER on e-bay then. How's that for you? I will not sell anything on e-bay. Is that clear enough for you?

D. Bergin · #17 03-19-2013, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

diagree dave...it would make them no better than the other platforms that don't filter fakes. I will not buy from those platforms. I will not buy a thing from a DEALER on e-bay then. How's that for you? I will not sell anything on e-bay. Is that clear enough for you?

Doesn't make sense to me, but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

Individual sellers on Ebay do not make up Ebay policy. They use the platform just like any other tool. Advertising in SCD, setting up your own website, sending out your own price list, posting in the B/S/T on Net54.

It's not hard to separate trustworthy sellers, from untrustworthy ones.........though I suppose it's harder then just throwing everybody under the same bus.

Sorry if I offended you somehow.

RichardSimon · #18 03-19-2013, 11:11 AM

I have been communicating with someone on the EMR team who is on the card side.
Based on what he has told me, ebay has never been very cooperative with the EMR team and at times has actually placed roadblocks in the way of the EMR volunteers.
Profit before doing the right thing seems to be the motto. Even though doing the right thing will result in greater profits in the long run.

Fuddjcal · #19 03-19-2013, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Doesn't make sense to me, but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

Individual sellers on Ebay do not make up Ebay policy. They use the platform just like any other tool. Advertising in SCD, setting up your own website, sending out your own price list, posting in the B/S/T on Net54.

It's not hard to separate trustworthy sellers, from untrustworthy ones.........though I suppose it's harder then just throwing everybody under the same bus.

Sorry if I offended you somehow.

no offense taken, I just don't support companies that sell fake crap. E-bay is making plenty of money "not" selling things and I don't want to feed anyone one red cent when I don't believe in what they're doing....especially gigantic conglomerates like e-bay. That's my only point.

Others on Fudd's Current banned List:

Waste Management
Verizon
American Express
E-bay ( on the ropes)

all for various reasons

thecatspajamas · #20 03-18-2013, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travrosty

If they ONLY took down jsa and psa fakes and made it their official policy, i suppose you would be happy they are at least taking down something?

don't you see when the shoe is on the other foot, even you wouldn't hold the same opinion as before, but since the psa and jsa fakes stay up when the others didnt enjoy the same protection, to you that is better than nothing, but switch it around and it is NOT better than nothing.

Travis, please don't ever attempt to speak for me. If you would like to ask my opinion, I am on the boards frequently enough that you can do so without having to "suppose" what my thoughts are on the subject. Your assessment of my opinion is so far off-base as to be both offensive to me and indicative of your own tenuous grasp of reality. And if you must quote me, please do so by using the quote button at the bottom so that at least something in your post will have proper punctuation and grammar.

travrosty · #21 03-18-2013, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Travis, please don't ever attempt to speak for me. If you would like to ask my opinion, I am on the boards frequently enough that you can do so without having to "suppose" what my thoughts are on the subject. Your assessment of my opinion is so far off-base as to be both offensive to me and indicative of your own tenuous grasp of reality. And if you must quote me, please do so by using the quote button at the bottom so that at least something in your post will have proper punctuation and grammar.

i am not speaking for you but people seem to be speaking for me!

Forever Young · #22 03-18-2013, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

travis, please don't ever attempt to speak for me. If you would like to ask my opinion, i am on the boards frequently enough that you can do so without having to "suppose" what my thoughts are on the subject. Your assessment of my opinion is so far off-base as to be both offensive to me and indicative of your own tenuous grasp of reality. And if you must quote me, please do so by using the quote button at the bottom so that at least something in your post will have proper punctuation and grammar.

lol

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