PSA-A Cautionary Tale!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Dan- maybe not PSA vs. SGC, but you are the one that made the comment about PSA. Should I compare them with Beckett?

Ummmmm....errrrr...this thread is about PSA, it's right there in the title. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that made a comment about PSA. You're the one trying to deflect this thread in another direction.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Ummmmm....errrrr...this thread is about PSA, it's right there in the title. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that made a comment about PSA. You're the one trying to deflect this thread in another direction.

Since Kevin won't or can't post Joe's version, there really isn't anything left to say, so I guess it only makes sense to take it someplace else.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Guys,

Am I the only one that doesn't believe that Kevin really called Joe?

Nice job, Kevin. You had me going for a while.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Guys,

Am I the only one that doesn't believe that Kevin really called Joe?

Nice job, Kevin. You had me going for a while.

888-469-2646, are you a dumbass or what? Tell Joe I said hey!!

[HRBAKER]

I don't dislike them, I think they have a crappy holder.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

I don't dislike them, I think they have a crappy holder.

+1

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

are you a dumbass or what?

Yes, I guess I was for a few minutes for believing you. You just proved yourself a LIAR Kevin and now entire board knows it.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yes, I guess I was for a few minutes for believing you. You just proved yourself a LIAR Kevin and now entire board knows it.

david- you always have been one to stir up any bullshit you can on the board. I tell you what piss ant, call Joe at the number I gave you. I have done business with him for years, so what exactly is your f**** problem?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think I used up my one remaining brain cell on this thread. David, why don't you think Kevin actually called?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

david- you always have been one to stir up any bullshit you can on the board. I tell you what piss ant, call Joe at the number I gave you. I have done business with him for years, so what exactly is your f**** problem?

Nice one, Kevin. When the LIES are exposed, resort to name calling.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Nice one, Kevin. When the LIES are exposed, resort to name calling.

David- do you have little man's syndrome? Grab a set and call Joe, He already knows that you are an idiot, but he wants to talk to you....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Guys,

Am I the only one that doesn't believe that Kevin really called Joe?

Nice job, Kevin. You had me going for a while.

I think he called, but that Joe asked him to treat it confidentially, which he is honoring as he should.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think he called, but that Joe asked him to treat it confidentially, which he is honoring as he should.

I don't know, Peter. x2drich2000 made a very good point. Would a CEO of a company really discuss a confidential matter like that with someone who had no involvement at all - especially a matter that could have had legal consequences?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't know, Peter. x2drich2000 made a very good point. Would a CEO of a company really discuss a confidential matter like that with someone who had no involvement at all - especially a matter that could have had legal consequences?

Are you f***** stupid or what?

[ullmandds]

kids...cover your ears!

[conor912]

Another signature net54 car crash.....

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Are you f***** stupid or what?

Only for believing you

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't know, Peter. x2drich2000 made a very good point. Would a CEO of a company really discuss a confidential matter like that with someone who had no involvement at all - especially a matter that could have had legal consequences?

Matt posted the whole thing here. He has no expectations of privacy about it, obviously. I don't see any issue with Joe discussing it with someone who calls and asks.

[calvindog]

I don't blame Joe for not posting anything on the board about this: it's his call. PSA gets bashed everyday here and if he doesn't want to put his finger into one of the nine holes in the dike, it's his choice. He also surely knows that whatever he writes out here will be dissected for days to come.

The OP seems like a reasonable guy and isn't bashing Joe all that much -- he's obviously pissed, for reasons that are PSA's fault and not his. I think PSA handled it mostly well (I'm discounting anything that Joe is alleged to have said on the phone). My only problem is that if Joe is so hot to talk to anyone on the board about what occurred, why would he ban the OP on the CU boards? No discussion there but plenty of discussion on the phone? How many businesses are bashed publicly without any censorship? Hell, if you buy a camera on the Canon website they allow their customers to blast the hell out of a product for everyone to see. So do many other companies. Why is Joe so damned thin-skinned that he would immediately shut down any opposing public viewpoint? It smacks of paranoia and lends credence to the claim that PSA has something to hide. PSA made a mistake -- it happens. Not the end of the world.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I don't blame Joe for not posting anything on the board about this: it's his call. PSA gets bashed everyday here and if he doesn't want to put his finger into one of the nine holes in the dyke, it's his choice. He also surely knows that whatever he writes out here will be dissected for days to come.

The OP seems like a reasonable guy and isn't bashing Joe all that much -- he's obviously pissed, for reasons that are PSA's fault and not his. I think PSA handled it mostly well (I'm discounting anything that Joe is alleged to have said on the phone). My only problem is that if Joe is so hot to talk to anyone on the board about what occurred, why would he ban the OP on the CU boards? No discussion there but plenty of discussion on the phone? How many businesses are bashed publicly without any censorship? Hell, if you buy a camera on the Canon website they allow their customers to blast the hell out of a product for everyone to see. So do many other companies. Why is Joe so damned thin-skinned that he would immediately shut down any opposing public viewpoint? It smacks of paranoia and lends credence to the claim that PSA has something to hide. PSA made a mistake -- it happens. Not the end of the world.

Half the people bashing PSA on these boards came over here to do it because they can no longer post on the PSA boards. Trying to silence the complaints with banishment isn't working for them.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I don't blame Joe for not posting anything on the board about this: it's his call. PSA gets bashed everyday here and if he doesn't want to put his finger into one of the nine holes in the dike, it's his choice. He also surely knows that whatever he writes out here will be dissected for days to come.

The OP seems like a reasonable guy and isn't bashing Joe all that much -- he's obviously pissed, for reasons that are PSA's fault and not his. I think PSA handled it mostly well (I'm discounting anything that Joe is alleged to have said on the phone). My only problem is that if Joe is so hot to talk to anyone on the board about what occurred, why would he ban the OP on the CU boards? No discussion there but plenty of discussion on the phone? How many businesses are bashed publicly without any censorship? Hell, if you buy a camera on the Canon website they allow their customers to blast the hell out of a product for everyone to see. So do many other companies. Why is Joe so damned thin-skinned that he would immediately shut down any opposing public viewpoint? It smacks of paranoia and lends credence to the claim that PSA has something to hide. PSA made a mistake -- it happens. Not the end of the world.

Guilty feelings to cover-up the whatever wrong doing might've been.

[markf31]

Originally Posted by calvindog

The OP seems like a reasonable guy and isn't bashing Joe all that much -- he's obviously pissed, for reasons that are PSA's fault and not his. I think PSA handled it mostly well (I'm discounting anything that Joe is alleged to have said on the phone). My only problem is that if Joe is so hot to talk to anyone on the board about what occurred, why would he ban the OP on the CU boards? No discussion there but plenty of discussion on the phone? How many businesses are bashed publicly without any censorship? Hell, if you buy a camera on the Canon website they allow their customers to blast the hell out of a product for everyone to see. So do many other companies. Why is Joe so damned thin-skinned that he would immediately shut down any opposing public viewpoint? It smacks of paranoia and lends credence to the claim that PSA has something to hide. PSA made a mistake -- it happens. Not the end of the world.

Great points Jeff! In my mind Joe's response or reply whether written or verbal at this point in time matters not at all, not to me personally. In the vast world of the consumer market, how many other companies would go so far out of their way to not only cut all ties with a consumer, lose future business and beyond all that try to censor that consumer, over what amounts to a conversation and exchange that occurred over the phone?

These actions by PSA, regardless of what Matt may have said to Joe (short of personal threats or threats of violence which Matt obviously did not make) should be unacceptable for ANY company.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Ummmmm....errrrr...this thread is about PSA, it's right there in the title. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that made a comment about PSA. You're the one trying to deflect this thread in another direction.

Dan- you made the comment about "printing money" as far as PSA goes, as far as other comments about PSA go, Hell, I'm the only one on this forum that seems to like them....Except when then sell on REA, Goodwin, etc...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Dan- you made the comment about "printing money" as far as PSA goes, as far as other comments about PSA go, Hell, I'm the only one on this forum that seems to like them....Except when then sell on REA, Goodwin, etc...

As I posted above, I prefer PSA to SGC.