New SGC flip proposal by Joe G.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by arc2q

I am actually considering switching to SGC for good. I like their customer service the best and love the black gaskets. The flip was always the one drawback, albeit a minor one. This proposed label would convince me to go all the way on converting to SGC.

I recently received 26 cards from them and 10 were outside of their gaskets, one obviously damaged. That's a problem they need to fix. I don't know if PSA has the same issues.

Edited to add: I only mention this because you said you like the gaskets. The slippery gaskets and their postcard authentication service are the only things I don't like about them (the black color is great); otherwise, they do a pretty good job.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I recently received 26 cards from them and 10 were outside of their gaskets, one obviously damaged. That's a problem they need to fix.

I voted for Joe's creation and do truly think it looks great.

Having said this, I agree with Scott that they should fix the gasket. In my opinion, this is a far more important issue.

Best regards,

Eric

[Joe_G.]

Thanks Jay and others, I've had a good chuckle at some of these responses, classic. I followed this thread today as time allowed and finally have a moment to post.

I'm glad others seem to like the flip. My hope in all this is that SGC decides on a label that retains a good look while incorporating all the security features they desire. I've opted to grade certain portions of my collection, some of my favorite cards, including my N172s, all with SGC. I'd like to continue grading with SGC and will if they retain a good looking label that resembles the old. I'd be honored if they pick a label similar to my suggestion (which was very similar to some of the other board members recommendations).

Thanks Leon for posting the poll

[kmac32]

Definitely Joe's flip

Any updates Leon?

[Bugsy]

It would be easy for them to dig their heels in and stick with the new flip that nobody likes, but I hope they realize this is also an opportunity to make a lot of their customers really happy.

[ullmandds]

I don't think I have used the word "flip" as many times in my whole life as I have the last few days...it's starting to sound like "selfie" to me and is starting to sound really annoying!!!!!

On a more relevant note...I don't collect flips...while most of my collection is now graded...it is more for resale purposes.

SGC is by far my preferred grader of choice for my collection of keepers...I sometimes use PSA to sell...not to keep.

MY only sets are all sgc grraded...and while the visual appeal of the flip is important to me what's more important to me is the way the slabs fit together. PSA cards get "lost" in my sea of SGC slabs and I often "lose" them temporarily which is annoying.

MY whole beef in this thing is that I like SGC...they are a great bunch of guys...and do the best job in the TPG business in my opinion. So I would want a company that I like...and use...to have a an aesthetically pleasing slab to represent their high quality service.

Additionally I am a fan and advocate of good design...in all aspects of my life...I cringe when I see poorly designed logos...products especially coming from big companies with the means to do better.

This is my gripe...SGC can and should put forth a better flip than the initial one proposes...ie Joe G's flip.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Any updates Leon?

On a holiday weekend I wouldn't expect much action.

[Ladder7]

The background watermarks should be parallel.
The slant looks cheesy. The rest of it is okay.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Any updates Leon?

First of all, though it seems this way, I am not the spokesperson for SGC. I have merely relayed some messages and have a major interest as almost all of my collection is in their holders and we use them for our auction company, almost solely. I guess if that makes me a spokesperson so be it. But there is absolutely nothing formal about it and they have never said I am one nor do I think I am one. That being said I have had some discussions with Sean, at SGC, in the last few days on this subject. They have a group of executives that make their decisions and the final decision is Dave F.'s, their owner. Any business owners here will be a bit empathetic to their situation. While running a business the number one focus is on your customers. SGC has always done that very well, and dare I say better than some other companies in their space. I think SGC probably does have a fair amount invested in the first design they put out, which looks good but doesn't seem to have at least the borders, which almost everyone seems to want. It is probably not an insurmountable issue but it is something to think about.

Some of our members who express strong opinions probably haven't ever even submitted to them. However, those folks very well might have SGC graded cards, and buy and sell them, so that can't be ignored. I feel SGC will probably wait and see what more gets said and done before they do anything. They are fielding a ton of phone calls too. My strong recommendation was to indeed take a step back, let a bit of time (a few days) go by, and see what transpires. With big decisions it's almost always better to take some time to make it.
At then end of our last conversation the last thing I said was "do what your customers want, within reason, keep them as your main focus, make a good decision based on them, and all will be good." If businesses take care of their customers, and have a good product, the rest takes care of itself.

And it is true, from my experience moderating this forum and running some businesses, you can never make everyone happy. But you can try .

And whomever is saying they feel this might be a money grab is off base, I believe. This process came about because the industry is crying for more security in the cases. I believe PSA has recently upgraded and as a competitor of theirs SGC needed to do likewise, not just for competitive purposes, but for their own need in having a more secure holder. Some conspiracy theorists will always think otherwise. I absolutely don't think it's a money grab.