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07-24-2014, 01:22 PM
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This is not a raw card that the seller inherited from his great grandfather, and I'm not sure it would matter if it was. It is something the he had bought and got tired of and decided to sell. He should have some idea of what he paid for it and was happy with the price he was selling if for...His email to me was "You've got it." I am quite comfortable with the ethics of paying a person who comes on a Buy Sell Trade board and makes the conscious decision to sell his cards with or without research his full asking price. If this person is mentally disabled or senile, I would feel differently.
When I owned a store or was a dealer, I felt obligated to pay people who brought their cards into my shop a fair market, which at that time, believe it or not, was 50% or more. If I walk into a show or a shop and someone has something priced cheaply I feel no remorse in buying it and I doubt anyone else would so long as it is not mis-priced. I see this board pretty much as if it were a show and the people who post have made a conscious decision to be dealers.
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07-24-2014, 01:35 PM
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How difficult is it to check sold listings on eBay? No matter the side you stand on in this situation, it all comes down to the integrity of the seller. It wasn't a matter of mistyping the price, it was a lack of simple common sense and thirty seconds of research.
Many of you are moaning about this being an educational forum, yadda, yadda.....I agree. What better education/lesson learned than an 'ass-kicking' on a sale....?
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07-24-2014, 01:44 PM
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Come on, this is not like grandma coming on here with a box full of her late husband's cards that included Wagner, Plank, Doyle, etc. and sold them to the first person who offered her $100.
This is a person who by his own introductory post the other day said, "Got my first tobacco card at 12, next at 16, a few more at 20, and been on the hunt pretty actively since I turned 24 (I'm 27 now...dad is still at it, going to be 91 in December)." So he knows enough about tobacco cards that he isn't a total newbie. He could look on eBay or CardTarget for current pricing, but he didn't. I'm sure he didn't "lose" money on the deal, meaning, I'm sure he sold it for as much or more than he originally paid for it. Obviously, he was unaware of the Titus phenomenon....., but he did agree to the sale. Integrity is something that is hard to earn back. If I made the same mistake, I would honor the deal. It may be worth more than a couple hundred bucks.
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07-24-2014, 07:05 PM
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This post tells a lot more than people are realizing. I find it amazing so many people are on his side and it just makes me think people are mad they didn't see it first. It's a regular board member that got the deal, so what most people are saying is it's okay to break a BST rule to help out someone, who is going to end up making a lot more money off the card, as opposed to a regular board member being the one that gets it. Either way, someone is getting screwed and it seems to be the long-time board member. This person said they have been reading for a month, collecting much longer, so they aren't a rookie, they are just new to the board. They obviously got a great deal from someone else, yet no one is calling for them to give that person half the money. I said it, but it was as a joke to show how ridiculous this is. People are also okay with this "rookie" backing out on his first deal on the board and letting him keep selling? Seriously? How is that for the betterment of the board? This thread is really a bunch of people mad they didn't see the card first and they aren't thinking out what really happened, which is a long-time member getting screwed by other board members and a new person getting away easy with breaking a rule. That's besides all the other people who broke rules by getting involved. I seriously can't believe how many people are on his side in this.
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07-24-2014, 07:21 PM
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Alright, I need to respond to the last post. First off, I feel like total s#!t that this happened. And I apologized personally to the first buyer. This was my mistake, I admit it. But I am not some seasoned vet trying to escape punishment. This is literally the first card I've ever attempt to sell in my life. ever! I've been casually collecting since I was 12, in the sense that I've picked up a card here or there over the years. I have a total of 16 cards in my entire collection.
I truly truly didn't know about the Titus hype, and so I messed up. And like I said, I'll take my punishment and not sell on this board. Ban for me months if you want. After all this, I most definitely don't wanna be involved in this kind of thing. And I'm not secretly selling this card behind people's backs. I'll sell it on my own, independent of this forum... I messed up, and I'm sorry. And I'm very sorry to the first buyer. I sure as heck don't wanna get involved in this kind of thing for at least the near future after all of the drama that came with it
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07-24-2014, 01:38 PM
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I hope that this seller has the same Morals and Contacts the Seller that he bought it from and shares the Profits once he sells the card.I am sure that he bought the card for Less or as much as he was going to sell it for. I dont think that he was going to Loose Money on the Sale.
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07-24-2014, 01:49 PM
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"If a tree falls in the forest and noone sees or hears it...did it fall?"
If anyone of us finds a "steal" in a local flea market or antique shop..or even ebay sometimes....and then shows it here...kudos are distributed in grand fashion and noone claims the riot act and wants to contact the seller...but when it happens here...different story. In this day and age...it is easy to do the research...it's simple as that! Last edited by ullmandds; 07-24-2014 at 12:59 PM.
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I'm not hating on either side of this situation, but just giving my opinion on the matter. If you think it's bs that he reneged on the sale, so be it...it doesn't hurt my feelings 
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07-24-2014, 01:17 PM
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Hey...i'm just playing devils advocate here...I don't really have a beef either way...it just seems oftentimes there is a double standard.
Additionally I feel that the evergrowing culture of renegging has become so commonplace...that all accountability is being lost. And without this...civility is lost! Nothing "bliss" ful about this thread! Last edited by ullmandds; 07-24-2014 at 01:19 PM.
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07-24-2014, 01:29 PM
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in the OP's defense, his original posted said something along the lines of "$60 or best offer".
Did he officially accept a person's offer? If he's getting $200+ offers and hasn't accepted one yet, perhaps all is fine. True, usually "or best offer" means something below the asking price, but in this case its higher than the price. Just some food for thought, carry on
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07-24-2014, 04:36 PM
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I'm of the opinion that when someone agrees to a deal then that is a verbal contract. Having said that, I personally wouldn't have accepted the sellers offer without informing them of the value of their card. It's a tough situation for all. Still, to expect people not to talk to the seller about what the value of their card was is pretty foolish. I understand the forums rules but if someone came on here and sold a legitimate Honus Wagner for $100 do you think everyone would just stay quiet until the deal was done? Wishful thinking.
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07-24-2014, 06:09 PM
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I and everyone else should know this is an honest mistake. For the people who are a little upset about this deal just think, what if you did this by mistake and lost $400 on a deal then get kicked off? All because of one mistake. Just before you get too upset just think you have no clue about anyone's financial situation. I'm not trying to get into an argument I just know that whoever is upset about this that if it happened to them they would never sell a card for that price.
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07-24-2014, 06:11 PM
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Hello All.....
I would like to say I'm a little saddened by this post.....I feel for both seller and buyer.....I'm not perfect and have made mistakes in the past ......
I feel the seller is a newbie.....he is just getting used to T206.....let's not turn him off from the hobby and T206 because he made a "rookie" mistake  .....he even put in his post that he bought it cause the stache.....lets give the guy a break on this one and give him a "pass"....my apologies to the potential buyer for this post....I can understand your pain..... ....I know that doesn't help much.....I'm sorry you lost out on the card...LET us keep fresh collectors entering the hobby some encouragement.... Johnny D does have some great points, and every one else.... But I'm a libra and a softee and say give him a pass on this one.... Seller.....if you ever want advice on T206....pm or email you, I will give you the best advice I can..... Thanks everyone for listening....
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