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I saved a shareable version to my google drive. It should be accessible through the following link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3S...ew?usp=sharing
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01-28-2016, 10:52 AM
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this works great, was very interesting... anyone else remember all of TJ Schwartz's holier than thou articles about the hobby? lol |
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01-28-2016, 11:02 AM
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Sickening.....but not surprising. Thank you for sharing the list. Some very disgusting stuff.
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01-28-2016, 11:07 AM
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I think we should start creating our list.
If the shiller or consignor is with a current AH, then they will be part of this list. |
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01-28-2016, 11:07 AM
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Here's an interesting one:
http://legendaryauctions.com/LotDeta...entoryid=70892 Apparently this was the only Lionel Carter auction that was shilled. I very much doubt that Carter himself was involved in the shilling - I doubt this would have been his one auction to choose to shill. I would guess, instead, that Mastro had knowledge of the highest bid and then did this in order to increase the premium.
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01-28-2016, 12:56 PM
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And how did Mastro determine which auctions got shilled? Did he base it on the bidding activity, relationships, town in which the consignor and shiller lived? Or side agreements he made with each of these individual consignors/shill bidders? I'm sure there are other folks out there who have made arrangements with friends/family to shill bid an auction without Mastro knowing about it. So, this begs the question, "is this list complete?" (for 2007-2009 Mastro auctions). And yes, the inflated price phenomenon is certainly an issue here that can't be ignored...especially with price transparency sites like VCP.
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01-28-2016, 12:59 PM
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Net54 Member schillers
Leon, any chance you can run the schiller list up against your members list (past & present, with user name too), would like to see and possible hear from them, although like cockroaches you flip the light switch on and I'd bet those people arn't long for here.
And if someone can post all the schillers and the current auction houses they work for I believe that could be enlightening. Last edited by Shoeless Moe; 01-28-2016 at 01:03 PM. |
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01-28-2016, 01:04 PM
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Is this classification unique to the legal community or can people in other occupations aspire to it ?
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01-28-2016, 01:11 PM
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I don't know a way to cross reference with that data. The data I have isn't very easy to work with, generally speaking.
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01-28-2016, 01:15 PM
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I personally can't wait to see what those accused of shill bidding do? Will they use the most popular method of denial, change blame/subject, and name calling. I love how guilty people start of denying anything happened, then try to change the subject or try to switch the blame to others and after those 2 don't work they revert to name calling. I can't remember this method actually working for anyone.
The most effective is to come out fast and be honest, well as honest as one can be when caught being a less than stellar human being. From all the scandals in sports you would think the criminals would figure out the people that admit to their mistakes right away are looked at much better in the history books. |
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01-28-2016, 11:17 AM
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Damn, that is a L-O-N-G list!
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01-28-2016, 11:31 AM
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01-28-2016, 11:57 AM
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I was shill bid on the T206 Wagner I won for $160,000 for a client of mine in their 2007 live auction. Wow, what a mess this is.
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01-31-2016, 10:02 AM
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What's Nash going to say?
"Can't wait for the next Hauls Of Shame. Should be a good one."
I think he should say my stuff may have been fake but at least I wasn't a shill bidder. Honestly don't give a rats arse what grandmaster b has to say about it. I am sure it will mostly be about the one freaking lot where Rob's name appears as a consignor. Too many people give him way to much credit. This thread was a much better read than however he will spin it. Last edited by glynparson; 01-31-2016 at 11:27 AM. |
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01-28-2016, 11:39 AM
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Per Andrew Moore, "The Government only identified a 'victim' for 347 of the 2,463 auctions". It's pretty obvious that the 2000+ auctions that don't list victims actually do have them. I was somewhat sympathetic to Doug Allen's plea not to do 57 months in jail, but I'm over that now.
Another thing to remember (and there's a lot to take in here) is that this list is just for those years where Mastro didn't destroy their records. This list would likely be much, much longer if they had that info. Bill Last edited by bcornell; 01-28-2016 at 11:39 AM. |
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01-28-2016, 11:40 AM
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There are some entries that are clearly instances where Mastro exploited a winner's max bid by running up the total: Peter Spaeth's name shows up as a shill bidder and winner on one entry [August 2007]. Chad Dreier is shown on one as well [see June 2007]. I don't believe either of those guys had anything to do with Mastro's scheme; I do believe both were cheated as a result.
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01-28-2016, 11:13 AM
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I noticed a couple from PSA's "Board of Experts" in the shill bidder column. One in particular is seen many times.
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01-28-2016, 11:24 AM
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Seriously, out of control. I was probably naïve, but there were a lot more than I expected there. I don't even know how this is fixed in any auctions today even if the auction house does not own the auction software. Many of the shillers seemed to be friends and relatives of the consignor. So even with today's auctions, they would just have different accounts and would not be caught. Basically, the auction house (or ebay) is not directly involved in the shilling activities. However, they turn a blind eye to monitoring it.
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01-28-2016, 11:28 AM
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During that time period I was busy keeping my business afloat and didn't bid in any auctions. Fortunately, if floated. That said, it has to be disheartening for those who were gouged.
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01-28-2016, 11:30 AM
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Makes me glad I collect on the low end of the hobby. If I chased high dollar-value cards and my name appeared as a victim, or if my account had been used to place a shill bid, I'd be furious.
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How do you prove something was a shill bid? Can't the suspected shill bidder -- even if a competitor auctioneer or dealer -- just come back and say "Well of course we all follow each others' auctions and try to steal things at low prices if we can. I would have taken that Mantle card at $10,000 happily. . . . I suspected others would come along and far outbid me but crazier things have happened . . . ."
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01-28-2016, 02:06 PM
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I guess this might be one of those examples of "First World Problems" that are often joked about. Not a joking matter here, of course, but I am nowhere near having this problem. I have never bid on an auction that wasn't on ebay and I am definitely a low end collector compared to just about any item shown on this report. It is likely that via ebay, I have been a victim of paying more than I would have w/o a shill bidder. I snipe just about everything and have for years now. Although that will help protect you from those pesky "nibblers" that bid up your proxy bids until you are maxed or they just slightly outbid you, you still pay more regardless if someone tosses out a shill bid anywhere within the listing timeframe. Kind of like those victimless line items from the report.
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01-28-2016, 02:10 PM
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Here is the list of schill bidders removing the duplicates
These are the names that appear in the Shill Bidder column of that list only, this does not includes the Consignors just to clarify
Alex Sawchak Alex Sawchak and William Vangelos Andrew Caparelli Andrew Filipowski Andrew Filipowski and Mastro Auctions Andy Tuttle Barbara Simmons Bill Boehm Bill Mastro Bill Mastro and Andrew Filipowski Bill Mastro and Jeffrey Marren Bill Mastro and John Reznikoff Bill Mastro and Millard Fisher Bill Mastro, Mastro Auctions Bill Mastro, Rich Mantia, Mastro Auctions Bill Mastro, Ryan Friedman Brian Bigelow Brian Marren Cardboard Coll. Cardboard Collectibles Chad Dreier Chad Vandemark Chris Porter Chris Porter and Kirk Wagonlander Cliff Kakelik and Mastro Auctions Cliff Kekelik Craig Helling Cynthia Graves Darryl Abramowitz Dave Forman Dennis Beechy Derek Ihnat Diroberto, Helling Diroberto, Marronpot Doug Allen Doug Allen and Andrew Filipowski Doug Allen and Bill Mastro Doug Allen and John Reznikoff Doug Allen and Mastro Auctions Doug Allen, Reznikoff Mastro Edward (Josh) Petrie Eric Grigson Frank Diroberto Frank Diroberto, Marronpot Frank Simmons Greg Floyd Helling Henny Steinbach Irv Lerner Irv Lerner CPA Irv Lerner, CPA Jay Dyer Jay Dyer and Shane Mooney Jay Dyer, Mastro Auctions, Inc, and Shane Mooney Jeff Marren Jeff Marren and John Reznikoff Jeff Marren and Mastro Auctions Jeffrey Marren Jennifer Stein Jerry Zuckerman Jerry Zuckerman and Ralph Deluca Jerry Zuckerman, Joe Demattio Jerry Zuckerman, Ralph Deluca Joe Demattio John Reznikoff John Reznikoff and Mastro Auctions John Reznikoff Jorge Marce Jorge Marce and Andrew Filipowski Jorge Merce Kevin Keating Kevin Keating and Bill Mastro Kevin Keating and Doug Allen Kevin Keating, and Mastro Auctions, Inc. Kevin Keating, John Reznikoff Kevin Keating, Reznikoff / Mastro Kevin Keating, Rich Mantia Kevin Struss Kirk Wagonlander Kirk Wagonlander and Mastro Auctions Kirk Wagonlander, Mastro Auctions Kristin Straub Les Perline Les Perline and Henny Steinbach Les Perline and John Reznikoff Les Perline Les Perlne Les Perlne and Mastro Auctions Loraine Cordes Marc Held Mark Irodenko Mark Irodenko and Andew filipowski Mark Irodenko and Andrew Filipowski Mark Theotikos Mastro Auctions Mastro Auctions and Doug Allen Mastro Auctions and Shane Mooney Mastro Auctions Inc. Mastro Auctions, Inc and Steve Lucas Mastro Auctions, Inc. Mastro Auctions, Inc. and Bill Mastro Mastro Auctions, Inc., and John Reznikoff Mastro Auctions, Inc., and Mark Irodenko Mastro Auctions, Inc., and Ryan Friedman Mastro Auctions, Ryan Friedman Mike Mallon Mike Mallon and Dennis Beechy Mitch Rosen Nicholas Dawes Nick Dawes Nick Dawes and Mastro Auctions Nick Dawes, Mastro Auctions Nick Dawes, Rich Mantia Niel Feltz Peter Calderon Peter Calderon, and Chris Porter Peter Calderon, Bill Mastro Peter Garcia Peter Spaeth Ralph Deluca Ralph Deluca and Jerry Zuckerman Ralph Deluca, Jerry Zuckerman and Joe Demattio Random Treasures Ray Canales Reznikoff/Mastro Reznikoff/Mastro John Reznikoff Rich Mantia Rich Mantia and Mastro Auctions Rich Mantia, Kevin Keating and Bill Boehm Richard Consola Rob Hughes Robert Bordan Rocco Loconte Roco Loconte Roco Loconte and Nick Dawes Ron Oser Russ Pardy Russ Purdy Russ Purdy and Kevin Keating Ryan Friedman Shane Mooney Shane Mooney, Jay Dyer, and Mastro Auctions, Inc. Stephen Spector Steve Forman Steve Lucas Steve Lucas and Brian Bigelow Steve Lucas and Mastro Auctions, Inc. Steven Turner Teale Laney Tim Frystak Tim Frystak, Brian Marren, Chris Porter TJ Schwartz Whit Rutledge William Schonsheck William Vangelos Zach Rullo Last edited by Shoeless Moe; 01-28-2016 at 02:43 PM. |
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Zach Rullo, a PSA authenticator caught shill bidding. What is this world coming to?
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Who is Cardboard Collectibles?
It shows them shilling me Page 81 lot 1856 I am shown as being shilled on a 3rd series Wacky Package stickers full box Graded by GAI. Though I do collect wacky packages, I never won that item. Too funny |
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Here is the link for this specific item: http://legendaryauctions.com/LotDeta...entoryid=70657
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