Is 3000 hits a big deal or overrated?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

No one celebrates total bases because of the group of mediocre players were able to total a lot of bases. It's as simple as that. Harold Baines has more total bases than Mickey Mantle. Who was better?

So ichiro is better than Babe Ruth because he had more hits....anyone can play this game...

Baines isnt top 30 in total bases....he 41st.. David Ortiz is 40th incidentally..'

anyone one accomplishment doesnt mean you are a 'better' player... but you guys keeping coming up with unfair examples

Bill Buckner is number 64 all time in hits..is he the 64th greatest player of all time...id rather have Baines than him

Who in the top 30 of total bases is mediocre?

[packs]

We aren't playing a game. You are the one who is using the list to decide how good players are, not me. So I would never say something like Ichiro is better than Ruth because of where he is on a list.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

We aren't playing a game. You are the one who is using the list to decide how good players are, not me. So I would never say something like Ichiro is better than Ruth because of where he is on a list.

I am not at all.....however getting 3000 hits is celebrated because Ichiro is on a list....people are celebrating it saying how hard it is......he is 30th....so i am comparing top 30 on base guys who got zero celebration.....

then you go and compare Baines with Mantle etc....thats a game..i can do the same thing.....i can also take a top 30 on base guy and show how hes better than a 100th best total hit guy. The oppposite was argued (comparing chili davis to ichiro) ..whats the point of that as well...

Andre Dawson is a lot different than Chili Davis and Andre Dawson is number 30 in total bases and Ichiro is 30th in total hits, yet you guys brought up Chili Davis? Thats a game..

where are all these mediocre top 30 total base guys ?

[packs]

You brought up Chili Davis in your first post.

Andre Dawson is not an all time great, he is a very borderline HOFer and he is number 30. Rafael Palmeiro, noted cheater and non-HOFer, is number 11. Dave Winfield, who everyone can agree was a great player, is not an all time great either. He is number 14.

The list is not indicative of how great a player was.

[1952boyntoncollector]

[QUOTE=packs;1569674]You brought up Chili Davis in your first post.
Andre Dawson is not an all time great, he is a very borderline HOFer and he is number 30. Rafael Palmeiro, noted cheater and non-HOFer, is number 11. Dave Winfield, who everyone can agree was a great player, is not an all time great either. He is number 14.



I brought up Chili Davis as coming in 100th......and the counterargument was to compare him to hit leader Ichiro (30th ) and not Vernon (100th)...to argue that is a game......why not compare 100th with 100th.....to argue otherwise is a game....

Dawson is in the HOF .is he mediocre..

i dont think any of those names are mediocre players...

Winfield is also top 30 in hits as well as Palmeiro ...so any attack on them for total bases applies to them in total hits as well.....there was a huge countdown for 3000 hits for Palmeiro and Winfield.... and zero countdown for total bases...

so the best you could come up with as mediocre on base guys in the top 30....are 2 guys with 3000 hits and a Hall of Famer....man those guys suck (or mediocre)

[packs]

What would you have them count down to? 4,787th base? What a thrilling proposal.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

What would you have them count down to? 4,787th base? What a thrilling proposal.

you can find round numbers in total bases...i think its possible for that...

4000 is ok or 4500.....ichiro isnt far from 4000, hes at 3875, 39 more and he passes chili davis for 100th of all time...



plus if need 2...you can get a double for that...or if 4 away a home run...more exciting than a slap single off the pitcher's leg


Lou Boudreau who is a HOFer actually finished with exactly 2500 total bases....