1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

[danmckee]

I have 25 square corner baseball players and 1 boxer that have the same exact white paper backing and not the cream color. These are originals for sure, cards are identical to my clipped corner ones. Dan

[vintagetoppsguy]

Thank you, Lee, for reviving this thread back in June (Post #70). I am assuming the question was regarding the Musial in your June auction. I won the card and I’ve read through this thread (and found a lot of useful information), but still have some questions if anybody can help.

I am assuming this card was part of the Collectors & Traders Sports Star Subjects 4 box set that was made by Aarco Playing Cards (Chicago). How do we know for sure the cards were made in ‘48/’49? Why couldn’t they have been made at the same time as the Bond Bread (’47)?

There is one eBay seller that seems to think so…

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-W571-Aa...vip=true&rt=nc


I have a few interesting observations between the one on eBay and the one I purchased from Lee. (1) The card on eBay is cropped a little closer than mine. Look at the left and right borders and you can see more of the image on mine. (2) The name on his is more towards the bottom. The name on mins is a little higher up. (3) The back of his card appears to be more white (could be the scan though) and I thought I read that the white backs were considered reprints?? Is his a reprint? It sure looks like it shows its age (nearly 70 years old).

Is it possible there were multiple print runs and the formatting changed? If ours are both Sports Star Subjects, why the differences?

The one I purchased from Lee


The one on eBay


The back of mine


The back of the one on eBay


Here is a Bond Bread just to compare to. Note that even the Bond Bread is cropped more closely than mine.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-W571-Aa...vip=true&rt=nc



Is it possible there were multiple print runs and the formatting changed? If ours are both Sports Star Subjects, why the differences?

The one I purchased from Lee


The one on eBay


The back of mine


The back of the one on eBay


Here is a Bond Bread just to compare to. Note that even the Bond Bread is cropped more closely than mine.

David

The Musial card on ebay is an original (circa 1949) issue. Its white back confirms this.

Your Musial card is a reprint (circa ? ? ). Its toned back indicates that this card is not an original Sports Star Subject issued in 1949.

Furthermore, the image on the reprint lacks the contrast of the 1949 issue. And, if you compare the thickness of the cardboard of these two cards,
the 1949 card will feel thicker than the reprint card.


TED Z
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[vintagetoppsguy]

Ted, thanks! But if mine is a reprint, it has to be a reprint from the original plate, right? Because mine shows more of the image than the one on eBay (and even the Bond Bread for that matter).

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Hi Again,

I have another group of these from another consignor, the backs are very white. From my understanding you believe the white backs to be a reprint. Is there a possibility that another company could have issued these? similar to T206s, T205s, M101-4?

Lee

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

Hi Again,

I have another group of these from another consignor, the backs are very white. From my understanding you believe the white backs to be a reprint. Is there a possibility that another company could have issued these? similar to T206s, T205s, M101-4?

Lee

From Ted's answer above, he says that the Sport Star Subjects have a white back, so it sounds like the ones you have are probably Sport Star Subjects and mine is something else. I'm just wondering where mine originated from? Since mine shows more of the actual image than the Sport Star or the Bond Bread, mine had to have been made from the original plate, right? Mine also shares a characteristic as some of the Bond Bread in that it isn't cut correctly. On mine, you can see some of the next card on the sheet on right and bottom border. Many of the Bond Bread are this way too. Even though mine isn't a Sport Star, I'm convinced that it was made during the same time, possible by another company as Lee suggests.

[tedzan]

Hey guys,

As I've said in my 1st post in this thread, I collected the original Bond Bread cards in the Summer of 1947. Here are some of my original cards......




I have an excellent memory of these cards (as they were the first BB cards I collected as an 8-year old kid). Plus, I'm fortunate to have
all my original cards from my youth.

These Bond Bread (Rounded corners) cards were available from Bond Bread packages to us kids in my neighborhood in 1947 and 1948.

My research indicates that circa 1949 the Square versions of these B/W cards were available. These Square cards were never available
in our neighborhood. Rounded or Square, these 48-card issues were printed on good quality cardboard which has remained WHITE for
almost 70 years.


Circa 1980, David Festberg (hobby dealer) discovered in a North Jersey warehouse a box (or boxes) containing 1000's of B/W (Square
cornered) cards similar to the above cards. However,

1....there were only 24 (of the 48) subjects in this find.

2....these 24 cards were printed on an inferior cardboard stock, as these cards are thinner than the 1947 and 1949 issues.
And, the backs of the cards are "TONED", instead of WHITE.

Furthermore, when you compare the original cards (1947 & 1949) with the cards from Festberg's find, it's quite obvious that the original
cards have a noticeable B/W contrast. Where the Festberg cards' images are somewhat "faded"....indicative of reprints.

Long-time collectors/dealers have arrived at these same observations as I have stated here.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

David,

Your Musial looks very similar to one that belongs to a friend of mine.
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His mother purchased them for him through an ad in the NY Times back in
the late 80's or early 90's. There are 24 of them and I believe they
are the ones Ted is referring to that came from the "Festberg" find.

His Musial even has similar looking "Scuff" marks on the front as yours.
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[vintagetoppsguy]

Thanks, Ted and Pat. I have no doubt mine is from Festberg discovery, however I do question as to when they were printed. I also contend that they were printed from the original plate. Notice the image on mine and the one Pat showed. You see more of the picture than you do on the Bond Bread or the Sport Star. See the right border, Musial's left foot? You see more of the white sock than you do on the Bond Bread or the Sport Star. Also notice that the bottom border of mine extends further than both of the others. Usually reprints are cropped tighter than the cards they were printed from. Mine is just the opposite. So, I ask this question. Why couldn't mine (the Festberg discovery) have been printed close to the same time that the Bond Bread and Sport Stars were? Maybe they were printed for some purpose and just never got distributed for whatever reason.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Could these be Bond Bread Related???