FS: 1950 Bowman Jackie Robinson PSA 2.5

[Machetero]

Here is what happened:

A bidder won the Jackie Robinson after a 7-day auction for $283 - he never paid and there was absolutely no communication from him regarding payment. After 2 weeks I opened a non-payer case.

I re-listed the item for a 5-day auction and blocked the non-paying bidder, thinking that would take care of the situation. Around day 4 I checked on the auction and noticed that the same non-paying bidder had created a new username and had bid on the item. He used a similar username so I knew it was the same guy. I immediately canceled the bid and blocked the second username. Sure enough, he continued to create new usernames and continued to bid on the item - I canceled all of his bids and finally blocked all bidders with 0 feedback, which finally took care of the problem. Unfortunately, all of this occurred near the time the auction was ending. I was under the impression that if you end an auction early, after bids have been placed, then you are obligated to sell to the highest bidder at the time the auction is ended, that is why I let the auction run its course.

There is no doubt that the auction was artificially manipulated by this buyer who obviously had a vendetta against me for some reason (even though I gave him more than enough time to pay for the item), and by forcing me to cancel numerous bids near the end of the auction the outcome of the auction did not represent fair market value.

In addition, it is simply untrue that I contacted the winning bidder (darkhorse I believe) on this forum to try to re-negotiate the sale of the item. To the contrary, when darkhorse saw the item listed here he contacted me and offered to pay more money for the card. I thought we were going to make a deal that would make both parties happy when he decided to take a different avenue.

In any event, here is the substance of our conversation in bold for those that are interested:

darkhorse9
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Re: 1950 bowman

I see...but you can see my frustration too. I bid and paid in good faith.

Tell you what...how about we split the difference and do $255 for it. That seems fair.




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Originally Posted by Machetero
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Originally Posted by darkhorse9
My best offer is the 228.00 that I won this card for on eBay two days ago until the auction was cancelled after I won it.

Yeah here's the deal: That card sold for $283 dollars a couple weeks before and the buyer never paid (I gave him 2 weeks to pay and never heard from him - no communication whatsoever). So I re-listed the card and blocked the buyer. He created a new username (similar to the first username so I knew it was the same guy) and started bidding on the new listing, so I blocked him again and canceled his bids. He created a third new username and continued to bid on the card, so I had to block him again and cancel his bids again. This continued up until the auction ended. Canceling the bids dropped the price of the card considerably and artificially manipulated the auction. $228 was not a fair market price for that card and I think you know that. I understand your frustration but I am frustrated too. There is no way I'm selling that card for $228. I have never had to deal with a situation like that before, and to be honest I think Ebay is the one to blame because although I blocked the buyer, Ebay still allowed him to bid on my auction using a slightly varied username.
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[jfkheat]

The problem with your explanation it that the highest cancelled bid was $225. There were two bidders that placed bids higher than that so the blocked bidders did not have any effect on the high bid. In mu opinion, you should honor the high bid or at the very least accept his $255 offer.
James

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

The problem with your explanation it that the highest cancelled bid was $225. There were two bidders that placed bids higher than that so the blocked bidders did not have any effect on the high bid. In mu opinion, you should honor the high bid or at the very least accept his $255 offer.
James

I am a bit confused though... was his offer $228 or $255? Were there two different offers?

[wilkiebaby11]

^^^

That's the story I got from him a week ago and it hasn't changed.

I would also go as far to agree with him that eBay put him in a bad situation allowing the same person, with most likely the same paypal, mailing address, and IP address to bid and manipulate his auctions.

Any illicit bid can and does alter an auction, whether it was a new high bid or not. And does so even more when it is near the end of the auction, which these bids were. This guy's story seems to line up.

Just my 2 cents and intuition.

[sterlingfox]

All I see here is that the seller violated eBay's terms by not selling the card at the price the bidder won it at, and then requested the winning bidder to buy at a higher price.

None of the removed bids affected the final bids of the auction.

What a no reserve eBay auction ends at doesn't matter in the least. It can sell for next to nothing, but you're still obligated to sell at that price.

Just my 2c

Originally Posted by Machetero

...and by forcing me to cancel numerous bids near the end of the auction the outcome of the auction did not represent fair market value.

...Tell you what...how about we split the difference and do $255 for it. That seems fair.

...$228 was not a fair market price for that card.

...There is no way I'm selling that card for $228.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Whatever happened, all i see if we are talking about 50 bucks. spending all this time on this subject and all the negative attention on it, i am not sure why not just sell it to that guy. Time is money and reputation as well.

Either side can be right but why allow potential buyers on new items make that call on your reputation which can cause a lot more than $50 is losses not to mention additional time to explain etc.

[wilkiebaby11]

Someone bought it over on Blow Out.

[irv]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

Someone bought it over on Blow Out.

For how much?