Raines, Bagwell and IRod get the call

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by Griffins

Just glad the juicers will have to wait another year, at least.

Assuming Pudge didn't juice...which I find highly unlikely.

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

next year I guess Chipper, Jim Thome and Trevor Hoffman get in (Hoffman was only like 5 votes short for 2017)

Vlad was only 15 votes shy, good chance he gets in next year as well.

[CMIZ5290]

Chipper Jones biggest problem is not the juice, but his sorry ass attitude towards the media and other people. The guy has a huge reputation as being a big dick....Don't think something like this doesn't matter....

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Chipper Jones biggest problem is not the juice, but his sorry ass attitude towards the media and other people. The guy has a huge reputation as being a big dick....Don't think something like this doesn't matter....

+1

well said, Kevin!

definitely not the type player I would ever want to have a drink with.

[Topps206]

I just feel Pudge opens the door to other juicers. I have reason to think he did. Bagwell deserves it. Raines deserves it. Pudge? The numbers scream Hall of Famer. If he juiced, that's a shame.

Chipper, Thome, Vlad and Hoffman next year. Even with Chipper's attitude, he'll get in.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I just feel Pudge opens the door to other juicers. I have reason to think he did. Bagwell deserves it. Raines deserves it. Pudge? The numbers scream Hall of Famer. If he juiced, that's a shame.

Chipper, Thome, Vlad and Hoffman next year. Even with Chipper's attitude, he'll get in.

Agreed on all counts.

[Griffins]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I just feel Pudge opens the door to other juicers. I have reason to think he did. Bagwell deserves it. Raines deserves it. Pudge? The numbers scream Hall of Famer. If he juiced, that's a shame.

Chipper, Thome, Vlad and Hoffman next year. Even with Chipper's attitude, he'll get in.

Piazza was a juicer and he got in
I suspect IRod was as well too
I guess we'll have 2 tiers of juicers, the suspected ones and the blatant ones

[Jim65]

I can't wait until next year when all ballots become public so we know who the idiots are who give players like Tim Wakefield a vote.

Vlad should have been a first ballot HOF.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I can't wait until next year when all ballots become public so we know who the idiots are who give players like Tim Wakefield a vote.

Vlad should have been a first ballot HOF.

Probably a hometown vote. Not really unusual for good but not great players who were very popular.

I don't think Wakefield is HOF material, but there are worse guys that get votes. One thing so many people overlook are the non-stat things or the things a player might do that help the team but wreck their stats. Wakefield did a lot of that sort of stuff. Like taking a start on short rest with the understanding that no matter what he was going 9 innings because the bullpen desperately needed the day off. That will hardly ever show as a plus on a guys stats.
And it mattered to the team, enough that at one point they agreed on a fairly inexpensive contract that was one year automatically renewing unless Wakefield opted out. Which he did towards the end of his career to negotiate a new contract at a lower price.

Steve B

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by Griffins

Piazza was a juicer and he got in
I suspect IRod was as well too
I guess we'll have 2 tiers of juicers, the suspected ones and the blatant ones

Piazza took Andro. We don't know about anything else.

[jimjim]

I feel bad for Rafael Palmeiro. Hopefully he'll make it from the Veterans Committee. Now that steroid users are getting close to getting in then he should be in too. And that doesn't take into account Rickey Henderson, Mike Piazza, and Ivan Rodriguez, all questionable steroid users.

[Runscott]

All the great players get into the HOF. Most of the almost-great players eventually get in as well. Character is supposed to matter but 'attitude' has more of an impact, thus a few almost-greats do not make it, and a few less-than-almost-greats actually get in. I don't remember seeing 'longevity' in the list of HOF-worthy characteristics, but it also enables the almost-greats to get in.

As far as steroids go, John McGrath wrote a great op-ed for yesterday's Tacoma Tribune regarding Dale Murphy and Rule 5 of the voting. I think it's worth a read.

The fact that so many guys like Tim Raines, who have overcome some huge hurdles (many self-inflicted) are able to have a special moment like this, makes it okay to me that it is a 'Hall of Well Above Average' as opposed to a true HOF.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Chipper Jones biggest problem is not the juice, but his sorry ass attitude towards the media and other people. The guy has a huge reputation as being a big dick....Don't think something like this doesn't matter....

How can someone so ornery be called "Chipper"? I might be ornery too if I had to go through life with a name like that!

[packs]

For some reason a grown man prefers the name Chipper to Larry.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Chipper Jones biggest problem is not the juice, but his sorry ass attitude towards the media and other people. The guy has a huge reputation as being a big dick....Don't think something like this doesn't matter....

As a huge met fan I hated chipper - really hated him - BUT the guy was awesome - jesh i wish we had him!

IMO he will go down as one of the best hitting 3b of all time if not the best

468 HR, 303 BA, 401 OBP, 549 Doubles, 930 OPS

Insane