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09-21-2018, 12:23 AM
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Great find Jason, thanks for posting that. Is there more info on the team there?
The leads in Jason's post gave me what I needed to really dig in. It looks to me like the players line up like this: ----------- "Mitchell" = Figueredo's (OF) F. Mitchell Baseball Reference shows Fred Mitchell 1901-1905: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...itchfr01.shtml … though he doesn’t really look like anyone in the picture. As David and Webster point out, that is definitely Mike Mitchell (RF) on the upper left: https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=mitche002mic https://www.baseball-birthdays.com/i...roduct_id=2715 He played in the majors from 1907-1914, but in the minors beginning in 1902 (Schenectady and Toledo that year). (Top row, far left) ----------- "Hurly" = Figueredo (C) Pat Harley Baseball Reference doesn't show a Pat Harley, but there is a Dick Harley (two actually, the other played in 1905) that played from 1897-1903 (1902 Tigers): https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...arledi01.shtml ...and who actually resembles the guy on the top row, 4th from the left. (Top row, 4th from left) ----------- "Robinson" = Figueredo (C) John Robinson Baseball Reference lists a Jack (John Washburn) Robinson (C) who played for the 1902 New York Giants (and two minor league teams in CT that same year): https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...obinja01.shtml …who looks like the guy to the right of the middle on the top. (Top row, 5th from the left) ----------- “McCarthy” = Figueredo (2B) Jack McCarthy Baseball Reference lists Jack McCarthy 1893-1907 (1902 Cleveland) https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ccarja01.shtml The photos are a perfect match. (Top row, 3rd from left) ----------- “Warren” = ???? ----------- “Hickman” = Figueredo (OF) Charlie Hickman Baseball Reference lists Charlie Hickman (1B/2B/RF) (1902 Boston & Cleveland) https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ickmch01.shtml Nobody in this picture looks a whole lot like the photo that Baseball Reference used for Hickman, but the Wikipedia photo resembles the guy 6th from the left, which lines up with where the name is written on the back: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charli...egshickman.jpg (Top row, 6th from left) ----------- “Quinlan” = Figueredo (SS) R. Quinlan Baseball Reference has nothing on a Quinlan that would work, I think we can rule out Finners based on the dating with things looking more and more like 1902-1903. There is a guy who is well known to T206 collectors who happened to start his minor league career in 1902 and who looks a lot like the last guy on the top right, Lee Quillen: http://explore.chicagocollections.or...ry/87/c825c41/ https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=quille001leo (Top right, far right) ----------- “Pratt” = Figueredo (1B) Esteban Prats Baseball Reference lists Esteban Prats playing in Cuba from 1902-1909: https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=prats-000est (Bottom row, left) ----------- “McIntire” = Figueredo (OF) Matty McIntyre (The spelling pretty much rules out that this was written in McIntyre's hand.) Baseball Reference lists (LF) Matty McIntyre 1901-1912: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...cintma01.shtml (Bottom row, center) ----------- “Schiappy” = Figueredo (OF) M. Schippy I think Figueredo has this wrong. Baseball Reference shows that Lou Schiappacasse played RF for Detroit in 1902. The name on the photo is written “Schiappy”, so I think this might actually be Lou, whose nickname was Shippy, but here written out by someone who clearly knew his last name. https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...chialo01.shtml (Tough to tell from the pic, but possibly bottom row, far right) ----------- Of the players I listed above, the following were on the 1902 Tigers: Matty McIntyre, Lou Schiappacasse (only ML season), Dick Harley (1902 only season in Detroit). Arch McCarthy, from Figueredo’s list, also played a single ML season – for Detroit in 1902. Hickman and Jack McCarthy both played for Cleveland in 1902. Mike Mitchell played part of the 1902 season in the minors in Toledo, which is 59 miles from Detroit and 116 miles from Cleveland. John Robinson had his only ML season in 1902 for the New York Giants. Given the 1902 theme that runs through this, I think it is reasonable to guess that this photo was taken between the 1902-1903 seasons. ----------- Unaccounted for from Figueredo’s list: Art Brothers, Bill Carrick, Arch McCarthy. On the back of the photo but not on Figueredo’s list: Warren. Looking these guys up, the most common photo of Bill Carrick looks wrong, but this one, if you zoom in, is a ringer for the guy second from the left: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/play...hp?p=carribi01 Bill Carrick played his last season in the majors in 1902 and played in the minors in 1903 in Toledo (where Mike Mitchell played in 1902). Arch McCarthy doesn’t look like anyone in the photo, especially not the guy that still has no guess for an id (7th from the left): https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ccarar01.shtml However, Figueredo’s has Art Brothers’ name a bit wrong. There was an Art Brouthers who played a single ML season in 1906 but, like Mike Mitchell and Lee Quillen, started his minor league career in 1902: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...routar01.shtml He also happened to be 6’1”, which would likely make him the one of the tallest guys on the team in 1902-1903, just like the guy 7th from the left in the top row. The pictures also look like a match. I am still not sure why Warren is written on the back, but it seems like we have decent ids for everyone in the photo at this point. ----------- This would make the photo ids: Top Row (left to right) 1) Mike Mitchell 2) Bill Carrick 3) Jack McCarthy 4) Dick Harley 5) Jack (John) Robinson 6) Charlie Hickman 7) Art Brouthers 8) Lee Quillen Bottom Row (left to right) 1) Esteban Prats 2) Matty McIntyre 3) Lou Schiappacasse
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