Small crease on Ryan PSA 6

[Mountaineer1999]

The crease is just to the left of the 1 in 1968.. gonna try to upload a snapshot

[Mountaineer1999]

There is no way I would have bid on this card if I could have seen the crease. I will contact seller but I am not optimistic.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

There is no way I would have bid on this card if I could have seen the crease. I will contact seller but I am not optimistic.

It certainly could not hurt to ask the seller/ebay if returning is an option based on the crease, as anything is possible. With a graded card and the seller's return policy, your optimism is realistic. If have no luck with a return through the seller or ebay and you paid with Paypal, you may have better luck filing a NAD/return case through paypal.

[swarmee]

Or you could submit it to PSA as a review with a MinGrade of AUTH and tell them you expect a downgrade and to be reimbursed for the difference in values between the new grade of the card and what you paid.
Otherwise, the Item Not As Described is correct. If you try to return it or message the seller saying you don't want it anymore, you will get stonewalled.

[swarmee]

*double post*

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

There is no way I would have bid on this card if I could have seen the crease. I will contact seller but I am not optimistic.

Even though the seller provided a large picture there is no way
you could have seen the crease.

Ryan Donnies Pic.jpg

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Even though the seller provided a large picture there is no way
you could have seen the crease.

Attachment 331425

That crease is obvious enough in the OP's post, outside of picture manipulation, I'm not sure how that doesn't show up in scan from listing??

[rats60]

When a seller sells a card with a crease and doesn't mention it, the card is not as described. Major defects should always be described no matter if the card is in a holder or not. If the crease wasn't there in the sellers photo and is there now, then it must have been damaged during shipment. Either way, that is why you should always pay with a credit card as they will stand behind you if EBay and Paypal won't.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

There is no way I would have bid on this card if I could have seen the crease. I will contact seller but I am not optimistic.

You would not have seen the crease because it isn't in the image posted by the seller.....

I would be shocked if the seller accepted a return. It's PWCC, buyer beware.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

You would not have seen the crease because it isn't in the image posted by the seller.....

I would be shocked if the seller accepted a return. It's PWCC, buyer beware.

I am all for hating on PWCC and the complete BS Betsy has posted on here but this was NOT a PWCC listing.

A PWCC listing pops up but you need to click on the "view original item" link to see the real listing.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am all for hating on PWCC and the complete BS Betsy has posted on here but this was NOT a PWCC listing.

A PWCC listing pops up but you need to click on the "view original item" link to see the real listing.

Correct Ben, and my mistake.

I will stand by my assessment that the crease is not present in the image. When I enlarge the image of the back of the card, I do not see the crease.

I'm not sure that means anything though, as my eyesight seems to be failing me by misidentifying the seller.

[hcv123]

Contact ebay first, then PayPal, then credit card, then PSA (it appears a PSA 4) is where the word "crease" is first mentioned. I might consider taking it up with them. I am not as much as others here for blaming the seller - a relevant question is did the seller know the crease was there. At worst the seller hid the crease in the photo - which is not okay. Most people as you did also rely on a PSA 6 to have certain qualities - a crease NOT being one of them. Most sellers (myself included) do not accept returns on graded cards. All of that said and with the grading guidelines from the PSA website below - I first and foremost see this as PSA responsibility for misgrading the card. Perhaps someone here with experience contacting PSA for this sort of thing could chime in.


From PSA website:
EX-MT 6
Excellent-Mint
A PSA EX-MT 6 card may have visible surface wear or a printing defect which does not detract from its overall appeal. A very light scratch may be detected only upon close inspection. Corners may have slightly graduated fraying. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. Card may show some loss of original gloss, may have minor wax stain on reverse, may exhibit very slight notching on edges and may also show some off-whiteness on borders. Centering must be 80/20 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

VG-EX 4
Very Good-Excellent
A PSA VG-EX 4 card's corners may be slightly rounded. Surface wear is noticeable but modest. The card may have light scuffing or light scratches. Some original gloss will be retained. Borders may be slightly off-white. A light crease may be visible. Centering must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Contact ebay first, then PayPal, then credit card, then PSA (it appears a PSA 4) is where the word "crease" is first mentioned. I might consider taking it up with them. I am not as much as others here for blaming the seller - a relevant question is did the seller know the crease was there. At worst the seller hid the crease in the photo - which is not okay. Most people as you did also rely on a PSA 6 to have certain qualities - a crease NOT being one of them. Most sellers (myself included) do not accept returns on graded cards. All of that said and with the grading guidelines from the PSA website below - I first and foremost see this as PSA responsibility for misgrading the card. Perhaps someone here with experience contacting PSA for this sort of thing could chime in.


From PSA website:
EX-MT 6
Excellent-Mint
A PSA EX-MT 6 card may have visible surface wear or a printing defect which does not detract from its overall appeal. A very light scratch may be detected only upon close inspection. Corners may have slightly graduated fraying. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. Card may show some loss of original gloss, may have minor wax stain on reverse, may exhibit very slight notching on edges and may also show some off-whiteness on borders. Centering must be 80/20 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

VG-EX 4
Very Good-Excellent
A PSA VG-EX 4 card's corners may be slightly rounded. Surface wear is noticeable but modest. The card may have light scuffing or light scratches. Some original gloss will be retained. Borders may be slightly off-white. A light crease may be visible. Centering must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.

The crease was most likely not there when PSA graded the card. That is a pretty big thing to miss. The most reasonable explanation is the crease was "spooned" out by the submitter and reappeared after it was slabbed. The seller is now trying to stick the OP with a damaged card.

[swarmee]

Looks like it would grade a 2.5 currently IMO with that crease/heavy surface wrinkle.

[chalupacollects]

Angle of sellers photo and flash could make crease disappear. Even though seller does not accept returns ebay is very buyer friendly, Contact seller first and if they say sorry, no returns go to ebay as NAD..ebay can force the return... If that fails hit Paypal if you paid that way...

[savedfrommyspokes]

If the seller is not agreeable to a return, ebay maybe less likely to support a NAD claim as under item specifics the seller used the following to describe the item: "Condition: Very Good: An item that is used but still in very good condition. "

When ebay reviews NAD claims, especially involving items where the seller does not accept returns, they do review what the seller stated as the condition to be in the item specifics area.

While PSA appears to have botched the grading on this card, the seller calling this card VG in the item specifics area is spot on.

[56Horsehide]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

The crease is just to the left of the 1 in 1968.. gonna try to upload a snapshot

Is it possible the ebay scan of the reverse is a different card? It not only does not show the crease, it does not show the "black" spots in front of the "R" in Rookie.

[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by 56Horsehide

Is it possible the ebay scan of the reverse is a different card? It not only does not show the crease, it does not show the "black

" spots in front of the "R" in Rookie.

It's the same card.

[Mountaineer1999]

Update:
EBay sided with me on this claim and the card was put back in the mail today using EBays shipping label. The way I read it, I will be credited when package indicates delivered.