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11-23-2018, 07:18 AM
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Am not a fan of this at all. Where should one draw the line between restored and counterfeit?
I do wonder, if the owner was willing to do this to his card, why he didn't first cut it into 10 pieces and have the company turn them into 10 restored Wagners. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk
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11-23-2018, 07:21 AM
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Or to sell it to a manufacturer as a relic card! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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11-23-2018, 08:05 AM
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RESTORED Wagner
Jason and Mike- ahh, the voices of reason! Thanks, guys. You gave voice to what I had trouble expressing late last night (too much turkey, I suppose). In the specific Wagner card that is the topic of this thread, the card is no better than a counterfeit. The original couldn't even be classified as a "card" anymore, it was a rag and thus not even "eligible" (in my mind, merely opinion) for slabbing in the first place. In this case the owner was honest enough to have it marked "restored"- although I think "reanimated" may be closer to the truth. What happens when/if someone does this, breaks it out, and passes it off as authentic- which it is NOT, no argument. It's a slippery slope...
As a comic fan who has an extensive collection, I can tell you I have exactly ZERO comics that have been "restored". The reasons are simple- the restorer had nothing to do with the production of the comic, and less ethical folks will try to pass them off as the real deal.
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11-23-2018, 10:38 AM
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Fixing/filling a pin hole or adding a little color (black on an N300, for example) is one thing, completely reconstructing a card and adding a lot of material is completely different.
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11-23-2018, 11:50 AM
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Does anyone know the selling price of the card before it was restored?
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11-24-2018, 01:14 PM
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Some good comments and observations so far.
i was surfing around the internet this weekend, and saw several PSA cards marked AUTHENTIC ALTERED Including things like markers to corners, color touch ups, etc. I realize PSA put "RESTORED" on the Wagner, but wondering if most wouldn't agree that the card wasn't also "ALTERED"? It was certainly recolored, along with the extensive work on the back. I'd sure like to hear some commentary from PSA on how they ultimately made this flip determination.
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11-24-2018, 03:40 PM
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If something is done to a card to make it look better than it did before, why wouldn't RESTORED apply almost every time? Just wondering how exactly how that determination is made and when it changes from one to another.
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11-24-2018, 03:45 PM
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At what point do you call a "restoration" something else? What's a term for a "total rebuild" (or complete overhaul) of the card? Adding borders and most likely taking the back from another card and overlaying seems to be a bit more than a "restoration" job. "Altered" seems a bit mild.
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11-24-2018, 04:34 PM
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