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10-10-2019, 02:45 PM
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BTW, you were wrong again anyway. Please look it up, you will see that Tanner gave the ball to Blyleven in game 5, trailing 1-0 and on the brink of elimination, BECAUSE his team's season was on the line. This from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette on 10/19/1979: "Blyleven pitched often in the World Series. He pitched six strong innings on Thursday, October 11, when the Pirates won the second game 3-2. Although he was scheduled to start the sixth game, Tanner used him in the fifth game, in which Blyleven pitched four strong innings to back up Jim Rooker's five good innings. 'We were in a situation where we couldn't go anywhere but home, Tanner said. So we used Blyleven'. When the World Series ended, Tanner called that game pitched by Rooker and Blyleven the turning point of the series. Blyleven volunteered to come back and pitch the sixth game with one day's rest. Tanner chose Candelaria instead, but Blyleven threw hard in the bullpen, hoping to get in". So let's recap. 1) Blyleven wants the ball, is effective in game 2 and leaves tied 2-2 against Jim Palmer; 2) Blyleven set to start game 6--not relegated to the bullpen by an unhappy manager; 3) Manager calls on Blyleven in elimination game 5 because the season was on the line and there would be no game 6 unless his team rallied; 4) Blyleven throws four scoreless, Bucs rally and win; 4) Manager called the game pitched by Rooker and Blyleven the turning point of the Series: 5) Blyleven asked to pitch again on one day's rest, and is called to warm up in game 6. Got any more horseshit you'd like to peddle about the manager having no confidence in Blyleven? So Tanner ended up not liking him? Well, Bert went on to win another 130+ games elsewhere, and would win three post-season games including a World Series game. Tanner never won more than 84 games in a season thereafter and the Pirates have not played in the World Series since Blyleven left.
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10-10-2019, 04:01 PM
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Tanner was visibly upset in 1980 when Blyleven left the team and went home to California after complaining about his lack of use. The Bucs manager stopped, asking, 'Did I say Cryleven? 'I never talk about a player, but I don't appreciate the lie he told,' Tanner said. 'He didn't like the way I managed. Well, I don't manage my team for one man; I manage the man for the good of the team. 'I don't think Bert fits the team concept,' said Tanner. 'He told me last season he's interested in, oh, I don't remember the exact order ... starts, complete games, shutouts, strikeouts, earned run average. If Blyleven was such a good pitcher why was he traded for Gary Alexander, Victor Cruz, Bob Owchinko and Rafael Vasquez?
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10-10-2019, 04:38 PM
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I believe the Dodgers are 15-17 in post season games that Kershaw has appeared in.
He is 10-11 in games he got the decision. So, to get more specific with my original question : Has any other probable HOF quality STARTING pitcher ever appeared in 30 or more post season games, and had a losing record in his own decisions, and his team had a losing record in his appearances? I'm not "blaming" Kershaw, there is plenty of blame to pass around, I'm just curious. Doug "The Dodgers won't win a ring in the Kershaw era" Goodman PS - Roberts isn't a manager in the traditional sense, the Dodgers organization makes many on field calls from upstairs. Last edited by doug.goodman; 10-10-2019 at 04:49 PM.
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10-10-2019, 04:46 PM
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You just don't give up--you have no point to make, so you make one up that has no application to the topic at hand. Then you backpeddle and say you meant something else. Then it's shown you are flat wrong about that too. So now you're off saying Blyleven wasn't a good pitcher because his below .500 career manager who never went to the post-season and barely won again after Bert left didn't like him and the franchise that hasn't been in the World Series for 39 years since didn't get much in trade. "If he was such a good pitcher then....?" Well, if he was such a shitty pitcher, why is he in the HOF? And again, what the hell does this have to do with regular vs. post-season pitching performance? Where did Blyleven fail there, when did a manager show a lack of confidence in his ability to win in the clutch and what is your point?
Keep on swinging and missing. You should probably just skip ahead and blurt as others do when they have no point to make and their arguments are shredded... but, but, but, Benghazi.
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10-10-2019, 04:57 PM
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As far as Bert Blyleven is concerned, he appeared in 8 post season games, so shouldn't factor into this conversation at all, but if we are going to include him, he had 5 wins and 1 loss so again doesn't seem to factor into this conversation.
Doug
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10-10-2019, 05:03 PM
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Greg Maddux
30 postseason starts, 35 appearances Team 13-17 in those starts, 16-19 in those appearances. Maddux’s own postseason record 11-14
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10-10-2019, 05:11 PM
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And I see that Glavin was 14-16 in decisions. Makes sense since the Dodgers are the new Braves...
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10-10-2019, 05:26 PM
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Roberts lost the series last night, no one else. As Peter said, even a casual fan knows you put Maeda - your best reliever in first - and then finish with Baez and Jansen (or just Jansen). You don’t put in a starter who sucked in the postseason when he was the best pitcher on the planet. And I am certain Kelly hasn’t gotten through two clean innings in one game all year. When you consider how bad the Nats’ pen is, there was no reason to hold back any pitchers. This game was over by inning 11 one way or another.
And Roberts has overmanaged for each of the past three seasons, especially when you recall him pulling Rich Hill early twice, and watching as the overtaxed pen imploded. They will never win a WS with him as he just doesn’t have the basic smarts to manage. PS Bellinger is the position player Kershaw. Useless in another postseason. Munch and Turner are the heart of the team. Bellinger’s D is tops but he is no clutch hitter. I hope he ends up third in the MVP race because that’s the best he deserves.
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10-10-2019, 05:26 PM
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