Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I can’t speak for Peter but I can absolutely see your above scenario unfolding.

Customer wants full restitution, PWCC says they will only refund the purchase price, customer goes after PWCC so PWCC, as the submitter of the card for grading, then goes after PSA.

It occurs to me that PWCC already has its lawyer, and I really wonder if something's cooking......

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Customer wants full restitution, PWCC says they will only refund the purchase price, customer goes after PWCC so PWCC, as the submitter of the card for grading, then goes after PSA.

It occurs to me that PWCC already has its lawyer, and I really wonder if something's cooking......

One thing always stays consistent Mark PSA is always an involved party/facilitator .....however they believe their business is Teflon.....so far nothing sticks. When it’s just an opinion and you’re supposed to submit in good faith they could argue in tort court all day and night.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

One thing always stays consistent Mark PSA is always an involved party/facilitator .....however they believe their business is Teflon.....so far nothing sticks. When it’s just an opinion and you’re supposed to submit in good faith they could argue in tort court all day and night.

Proving PWCC (or some other plaintiff, or in a class action) was not acting in good faith might be difficult. Intent is is tough to determine if there is no smoking gun.

Yes it is just an opinion but isn't there supposed to be a guarantee behind that opinion? And if alterations to a card can be proven (meaning, if it can be proven PSA gave cards high grades they did not merit) then would that teflon coating hold up?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Customer wants full restitution, PWCC says they will only refund the purchase price, customer goes after PWCC so PWCC, as the submitter of the card for grading, then goes after PSA.

It occurs to me that PWCC already has its lawyer, and I really wonder if something's cooking......

Why is PWCC obligated to do more? it didn't guarantee its buyers a profit. It's making full restitution by refunding the purchase price. PSA is only obligated to pay market value because those are the terms of its guarantee.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why is PWCC obligated to do more? it didn't guarantee its buyers a profit. It's making full restitution by refunding the purchase price. PSA is only obligated to pay market value because those are the terms of its guarantee.

They may not actually "guarantee" a profit but all of their slick marketing can presumably make one believe that they do and some good lawyering could probably make that stick...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

They may not actually "guarantee" a profit but all of their slick marketing can presumably make one believe that they do and some good lawyering could probably make that stick...

So if the card has gone down in value does PWCC only owe a partial refund?

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So if the card has gone down in value does PWCC only owe a partial refund?

Possibly, depends on how the lawyering goes... if it is proven that PWCC does guarantee a profit, then the decision becomes what is reasonable???

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

Possibly, depends on how the lawyering goes... if it is proven that PWCC does guarantee a profit, then the decision becomes what is reasonable???

PWCC to me has never Guaranteed a profit on their cards. Again it’s just an opinion. It’s marketing.

Still People hate on PWCC I’m not saying they’re saints, not by any stretch!

What I’m saying is if PSA was doing their job correctly and honestly we wouldn’t have these numerous issues. PSA is a Central Figure Of Most of the Problems In fact they’re the Major Facilitator of 99% of all Altered Slabbed Cards. I hope some serious lawyering turns the tables and throws this back on their asses bigly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

PWCC to me has never Guaranteed a profit on their cards. Again it’s just an opinion. It’s marketing.

Still People hate on PWCC I’m not saying they’re saints, not by any stretch!

What I’m saying is if PSA was doing their job correctly and honestly we wouldn’t have these numerous issues. PSA is a Central Figure Of Most of the Problems In fact they’re the Major Facilitator of 99% of all Altered Slabbed Cards. I hope some serious lawyering turns the tables and throws this back on their asses bigly.

Not 99 percent. There are some major modern card doctors who have used Beckett heavily.