Class action suit filed against PSA, PWCC and Probstein

nolemmings · #1 02-13-2020, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BeanTown

Not being an attorney, what would ballpark lawyer cost be for the plantiff and the defendant(s). Im sure there are two seperate amounts... Through jury trial or up to trial.

Nearly impossible to say for now--too many parameters. Whatever the attorneys' fees, I am sure they will be reasonable.

Snapolit1 · #2 02-13-2020, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings

Nearly impossible to say for now--too many parameters. Whatever the attorneys' fees, I am sure they will be reasonable.

Plaintiff's law firm could be doing on a contingency but not necessarily.

conor912 · #3 02-13-2020, 11:17 AM

Geez. That introduction hold back no punches.

�Baseball-card collecting really ought to be extinct. It�s an analog hobby in a digital world, an expression of fandom in a sport whose attendance is in slow decline and whose cultural relevance is in free fall.�

Brian Van Horn · #4 02-13-2020, 11:19 AM

Have to wonder if eBay will be a defendant.

Snapolit1 · #5 02-13-2020, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by conor912

Geez. That introduction hold back no punches.

“Baseball-card collecting really ought to be extinct. It’s an analog hobby in a digital world, an expression of fandom in a sport whose attendance is in slow decline and whose cultural relevance is in free fall.”

Anyone who thinks baseball's cultural relevance is in free fall honestly has their head in their ass. Baseball is the one American sport talked about and debated endlessly. . . 12 months a year, 365 days a year. Baseball hall of fame debates all winter. Baseball cheating discussions all winter. Endless. Never stops. That's a silly point. Wait till the contract for Major league broadcasting is up for renewal. Someone will pony up billions.

horzverti · #6 02-13-2020, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Anyone who thinks baseball's cultural relevance is in free fall honestly has their head in their ass. Baseball is the one American sport talked about and debated endlessly. . . 12 months a year, 365 days a year. Baseball hall of fame debates all winter. Baseball cheating discussions all winter. Endless. Never stops. That's a silly point. Wait till the contract for Major league broadcasting is up for renewal. Someone will pony up billions.

Completely agree Steve.

Ronnie73 · #7 02-13-2020, 02:13 PM

Personally I don't see this going anywhere except costing everyone more money. Even though SGC is not listed, their prices could rise due to higher risk insurance or risk overall. The only way I see this as being cut and dry, is if someone on the inside testifies that fraud was taking place. Once this is settled, I don't really see much impact to PSA or PWCC. It might bankrupt Probstein though. All PSA has to do is show somewhere in all their fine print that the grades they give are their opinion and does not guaranty their grade will crossover to a competitor. I'm sure they've learned how to cover their ass on this subject over the years.

111gecko · #8 02-13-2020, 02:24 PM

All it takes is 1 disgruntled grader who decides to talk...

todeen · #9 02-13-2020, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by conor912

Geez. That introduction hold back no punches.

�Baseball-card collecting really ought to be extinct. It�s an analog hobby in a digital world, an expression of fandom in a sport whose attendance is in slow decline and whose cultural relevance is in free fall.�

I thought the same thing.

irishdenny · #10 05-15-2022, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by conor912

Geez. That introduction hold back no punches.

�Baseball-card collecting really ought to be extinct. It�s an analog hobby in a digital world, an expression of fandom in a sport whose attendance is in slow decline and whose cultural relevance is in free fall.�

His Childhood Musta Really Sucked *

Board game weenie

Touch'EmAll · #11 02-13-2020, 11:19 AM

At the very least it puts a thorn in the side of these clowns. And maybe it pushes Pathetic Sports Authenticators more toward Professional Sports Authenticators.

samosa4u · #12 02-13-2020, 11:38 AM

79. Second, when a card is trimmed, it no longer fits perfectly into a PSA case. Trimmed cards can often be identified by a gap between the card and the edge of the case and they may even move within the case.

This has been discussed a lot on this forum. I was told many times that the PSA holders come in so many different sizes and any card that is loose inside its case doesn't mean it was trimmed.

todeen · #13 02-13-2020, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

79. Second, when a card is trimmed, it no longer fits perfectly into a PSA case. Trimmed cards can often be identified by a gap between the card and the edge of the case and they may even move within the case.

This has been discussed a lot on this forum. I was told many times that the PSA holders come in so many different sizes and any card that is loose inside its case doesn't mean it was trimmed.

And especially strip cards and T206 which were not systematically cut like modern cards. This will be hard to prove.

perezfan · #14 02-13-2020, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by todeen

And especially strip cards and T206 which were not systematically cut like modern cards. This will be hard to prove.

What about with the thousands of "before and after" photos, showing the cards to be indisputably trimmed to a smaller size. There are a plethora of "maraca" cards that used to fit snugly and now have significant air space.

These pics do not lie, and will be quite impactful if it goes to trial. The plaintiffs should have a wealth of evidence... probably more than any judge or jury could handle.

Arazi4442 · #15 02-13-2020, 01:29 PM

I'm by no means a lawyer but I'm always a little concerned about situations like this. It seems if the first bullet fired isn't well thought out, it can derail the entire effort.

Like if this lawsuit is done halfway or if there's some technical error and the case is summarily dismissed, it opens the door for PSA, PWCC, etc. to say "see, we weren't doing anything wrong - the case was dismissed" and it's business as usual for them, making the second attempt that much harder.

Republicaninmass · #16 02-13-2020, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

These pics do not lie, and will be quite impactful if it goes to trial. The plaintiffs should have a wealth of evidence... probably more than any judge or jury could handle.

Hi Mark! Just playing devil's advocate

A. PSA Knowingly Graded Altered Cards

How can one prove this?

drcy · #17 02-13-2020, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

What about with the thousands of "before and after" photos, showing the cards to be indisputably trimmed to a smaller size. There are a plethora of "maraca" cards that used to fit snugly and now have significant air space.

These pics do not lie, and will be quite impactful if it goes to trial. The plaintiffs should have a wealth of evidence... probably more than any judge or jury could handle.

"The bank bag in the dumpster near my home does not prove beyond a doubt that I robbed a bank."
"But the video of you robbing the bank does."
"Oh."

todeen · #18 02-14-2020, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

What about with the thousands of "before and after" photos, showing the cards to be indisputably trimmed to a smaller size. There are a plethora of "maraca" cards that used to fit snugly and now have significant air space.

These pics do not lie, and will be quite impactful if it goes to trial. The plaintiffs should have a wealth of evidence... probably more than any judge or jury could handle.

You and I are on the same page, but talking different points. If you have two T206 Speaker cards, or strip card Speaker cards, there is a chance they were cut differently and will not fit into the sleeve exactly the same. So there is not always a reason to suspect foul play because of air space. But for knowledgeable individuals, maybe they would look extra close at the edges.

Whereas, what you refer to in your comment above, "before and after" pictures of the exact same card will show variation and will have air space. I have gone over to blowout and seen some of their investigative work, and I am quite impressed.

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