Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

So, again, the initial goal of cataloging my pennants was to group by style. Eventually I’ll do that, already did for one (Keezer). From 1946-1950 various teams had team pennants with names filling the body of the pennant. I know of the following:

1946 Red Sox
1948 Athletics
1949 Phillies Blue Jay
1950 Phillies
Pirates
Cardinals
Braves

I don’t think every team had one. The Pirates version is pictured here. It seems to be made by the same company who did the “sliding runner” pennants from the same era. Red Sox and Phillies use the same slider graphic. They share similar stitching, lack of tassels, same logos, one color print, and slightly smaller size. I guess it is safe to say there aren’t Trench? In which case ... who?

[bocca001]

Nice, Greg. I like the Pirate ship the best.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Nice, Greg. I like the Pirate ship the best.

Thanks Marc. That’s from 1967. Looks like a local company.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

So, again, the initial goal of cataloging my pennants was to group by style. Eventually I’ll do that, already did for one (Keezer). From 1946-1950 various teams had team pennants with names filling the body of the pennant. I know of the following:

1946 Red Sox
1948 Athletics
1949 Phillies Blue Jay
1950 Phillies
Pirates
Cardinals
Braves

I don’t think every team had one. The Pirates version is pictured here. It seems to be made by the same company who did the “sliding runner” pennants from the same era. Red Sox and Phillies use the same slider graphic. They share similar stitching, lack of tassels, same logos, one color print, and slightly smaller size. I guess it is safe to say there aren’t Trench? In which case ... who?

Greg: What makes you think these name-on-the-body pennants were by the same maker of the "sliding runner" series? Both are from the same era ... both bear no tassels. Anything else?

[999Tony]

Re way back about the 12 pennants sold in kc area for about $275— I’m in kc area next time an auction like that pm me! Possibly I could inspect lots in person if needed. I look at a few local auction sites with estate sale auctions but they never have anything decent sports related — just ooccasionally overpriced modern display pieces.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Greg: What makes you think these name-on-the-body pennants were by the same maker of the "sliding runner" series? Both are from the same era ... both bear no tassels. Anything else?

Here are some pics that connect them IMO

[perezfan]

Greg...

I bet you were good at playing "Connect the Dots" when you were a kid.

Nice work, solving one of the many mysteries pertaining to these pennants. Interesting that only those few teams used the scattered names graphics, and all the other connections that can be deduced...

For example, there's a Pinback Button with the same exact Pirate mascot as on the pennant above. So is it safe to assume the Pin and Pennant were issued by the same company?

[thetahat]

Mark, whoa that’s crazy! Quite possibly .... are there any other team buttons like this?

So I would have to think these aren’t Trench, they are nowhere near alike.

[Domer05]

Wow Greg, I'm astonished by your observations. Yet again, you have presented a convincing case of a pennant series and/or common manufacturer.

I had not realized that these select name-on-the-body pennants were made by the "sliding runner" mystery maker. The "sliding runner" maker is of great interest to me. While they only made a small quantity of these name-on-the-body pennants and only for certain teams, they sure made a lot of these sliding runner pennants.

I'm stumped as to who this maker was; but, I'm quite certain it wasn't Trench. Many of the "sliding runner" pennants have no tassels and are monochrome. Trench was offering polychromatic graphics by the 1940s; and, except for a handful made in the year 1959, they always used tassels through 1970.

In addition to the "sliding runner" baseball series, this same maker also made an equally popular football series, which we may call "the Heisman" series. I'll let Fballguy tell you how common this design was in the 1940s....

Whoever this mystery maker was, they made a ton of pennants in the 1940s.

[thetahat]

Yes that’s no doubt the same company. They also used simple team specific logos ... the Phillies Blue Jay pennants all fall into this style. Here’s another oddity that is common among these .... some have a spine in two pieces, but with unbroken stitching. So they were clearly produced this way. I have a few like this ....

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

So, again, the initial goal of cataloging my pennants was to group by style. Eventually I’ll do that, already did for one (Keezer). From 1946-1950 various teams had team pennants with names filling the body of the pennant. I know of the following:

1946 Red Sox
1948 Athletics
1949 Phillies Blue Jay
1950 Phillies
Pirates
Cardinals
Braves

I don’t think every team had one. The Pirates version is pictured here. It seems to be made by the same company who did the “sliding runner” pennants from the same era. Red Sox and Phillies use the same slider graphic. They share similar stitching, lack of tassels, same logos, one color print, and slightly smaller size. I guess it is safe to say there aren’t Trench? In which case ... who?

Here's another obscure one to add to that list...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-Baltim...kAAOSwwCxbBfBN

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Here's another obscure one to add to that list...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-Baltim...kAAOSwwCxbBfBN

Yes! I’ve seen that. Here again, I don’t think every team had these, but at least one non-MLB team did!

[thetahat]

I have also been experimenting with holders for my oversized pennants. I bought a roll of 20 gauge clear vinyl from an online fabric store, about $30 including shipping. Cut it into sheets, it will make six holders. Metal yardstick and utility knife for straight cutting, these pennants all have their unique dimensions and angles so best to custom cut them. Clear tape on edges, bottom edge is double taped just to be sure pennant doesn’t stick. I think it works. Much better than what I had on the wall.

I thought about making a rigid holder with plexiglass, it would probably cost $30 for one, if you buy at Home Depot they will do the cuts for you. Then again I think you need to separate the edges so the pennant will fit.

[ooo-ribay]

I like it, Greg....even though I have no oversized pennants I’m unclear on the double tape at the bottom, though. Is the first layer “unsticky” side up, on the inside of the vinyl?

You have been quite busy during the pandemic!

[thetahat]

Unsticky side up. And yes this is keeping me occupied, don’t like all this down time!

[thetahat]

Gotta rescue this thread from the bottom of the page!

Here are two pennants from the early 50s with a similar design. Anyone know of any other teams that share it?

Observe they are both playing the same infield shift!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I have also been experimenting with holders for my oversized pennants. I bought a roll of 20 gauge clear vinyl from an online fabric store, about $30 including shipping. Cut it into sheets, it will make six holders. Metal yardstick and utility knife for straight cutting, these pennants all have their unique dimensions and angles so best to custom cut them. Clear tape on edges, bottom edge is double taped just to be sure pennant doesn’t stick. I think it works. Much better than what I had on the wall.

I thought about making a rigid holder with plexiglass, it would probably cost $30 for one, if you buy at Home Depot they will do the cuts for you. Then again I think you need to separate the edges so the pennant will fit.

Love that pennant! The HD rigid option seems like a bargain considering the value of the pennant.

[thetahat]

Interesting ....

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Interesting ....

Very!