Hey, pennant guys

[bocca001]

Now that I own one, I'm curious to hear more about what anyone knows about the "Champions" grommet pennants. Greg has some and we have talked about this a bit. Based on my understanding, there are similar style St. Louis Cardinals and Browns pennants with a 1939 date and "Champions" pennants dating back to at least 1919 (I think). But no Champions pennants with dates later than 1939.

Does anyone know if each of these champions pennants has more than one known copy? Or is each unique?

I also wondered if they were not somehow tied to the 1939 baseball centennial. Perhaps they were part of a display somewhere? Maybe in St. Louis given the Cardinals and Browns pennants with the 1939 date.

If you have one or have a picture of one, I'd be interested in seeing it. I hear that there is a 1919 Black Sox version somewhere. Anyone have a picture of it?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Now that I own one, I'm curious to hear more about what anyone knows about the "Champions" grommet pennants. Greg has some and we have talked about this a bit. Based on my understanding, there are similar style St. Louis Cardinals and Browns pennants with a 1939 date and "Champions" pennants dating back to at least 1919 (I think). But no Championsh pennants with dates later than 1939.

Does anyone know if each of these champions pennants has more than one known copy? Or is each unique?

I also wondered if they were not somehow tied to the 1939 baseball centennial. Perhaps they were part of a display somewhere? Maybe in St. Louis given the Cardinals and Browns pennants with the 1939 date.

If you have one or have a picture of one, I'd be interested in seeing it. I hear that there is a 1919 Black Sox version somewhere. Anyone have a picture of it?

It was in Halper. If you have access to a Sotheby's Catalogue, you can easily find it. Or perhaps there is an on-line version of the Halper Catalogue that can be linked here?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Now that I own one, I'm curious to hear more about what anyone knows about the "Champions" grommet pennants. Greg has some and we have talked about this a bit. Based on my understanding, there are similar style St. Louis Cardinals and Browns pennants with a 1939 date and "Champions" pennants dating back to at least 1919 (I think). But no Championsh pennants with dates later than 1939.

Does anyone know if each of these champions pennants has more than one known copy? Or is each unique?

I also wondered if they were not somehow tied to the 1939 baseball centennial. Perhaps they were part of a display somewhere? Maybe in St. Louis given the Cardinals and Browns pennants with the 1939 date.

If you have one or have a picture of one, I'd be interested in seeing it. I hear that there is a 1919 Black Sox version somewhere. Anyone have a picture of it?

Here is my counterpart to your Giants... 1936 Yankees. Please excuse the camera flash and sideways image.

Never seen another...

[Fballguy]

WOW...That's beautiful Mark.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Here is my counterpart to your Giants... 1936 Yankees. Please excuse the camera flash and sideways image.

Never seen another...

Mark that is stunning!

[MK]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Now that I own one, I'm curious to hear more about what anyone knows about the "Champions" grommet pennants. Greg has some and we have talked about this a bit. Based on my understanding, there are similar style St. Louis Cardinals and Browns pennants with a 1939 date and "Champions" pennants dating back to at least 1919 (I think). But no Champions pennants with dates later than 1939.

Does anyone know if each of these champions pennants has more than one known copy? Or is each unique?

I also wondered if they were not somehow tied to the 1939 baseball centennial. Perhaps they were part of a display somewhere? Maybe in St. Louis given the Cardinals and Browns pennants with the 1939 date.

If you have one or have a picture of one, I'd be interested in seeing it. I hear that there is a 1919 Black Sox version somewhere. Anyone have a picture of it?

Here’s a photo of the Halper version.

[bocca001]

Thanks Mike and Mark. Mark- yours looks brand new. Does anyone know how much the Black Sox pennant sold for?

[thetahat]

You’ve all seen this before but here’s the 1920 Dodgers.

Also, Marc, I do recall a 1938 dated team pennant for the Cardinals ... It’s in the Egner guide.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by thetahat

You’ve all seen this before but here’s the 1920 Dodgers.

LOVE that one

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Thanks Mike and Mark. Mark- yours looks brand new. Does anyone know how much the Black Sox pennant sold for?

You wouldn't believe it if I told you. I do not recall the exact number, but it was beyond staggering. I have a hard copy of all the prices realized stashed away somewhere. I'll look for it later tonight, and (assuming I find it) will post the number, which is almost beyond belief.

Edit: Maybe Mike K. has it (and can post it quicker), seeing that he had the photo.

[MK]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Thanks Mike and Mark. Mark- yours looks brand new. Does anyone know how much the Black Sox pennant sold for?

The Black Sox pennant was Lot Number 543 and sold for $34,500.

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by MK

The Black Sox pennant was Lot Number 543 and sold for $34,500.

We are still talking pennants, correct? I didn’t stumble across an antique car forum with prices like that, did I...$34k?!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Here is my counterpart to your Giants... 1936 Yankees. Please excuse the camera flash and sideways image.

Never seen another...

Originally Posted by erikc21

We are still talking pennants, correct? I didn’t stumble across an antique car forum with prices like that, did I...$34k?!

Not the highest paid ....

[bocca001]

Mark, Mike, Greg, and others- Is that the highest price you've seen paid for a baseball pennant? If so, anything else even close? (EDIT: I see that Greg just posted a higher priced Red Sox pennant).

If we assume that the Black Sox pennant is part of a series that was all produced at once (i.e., in the 1930s), I wonder if knowing that would affect the price if came back up for sale?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Mark, Mike, Greg, and others- Is that the highest price you've seen paid for a baseball pennant? If so, anything else even close? (EDIT: I see that Greg just posted a higher priced Red Sox pennant).

If we assume that the Black Sox pennant is part of a series that was all produced at once (i.e., in the 1930s), I wonder if knowing that would affect the price if came back up for sale?

Well, what we here on the board assume would only really affect the price if we are the only ones who would bid. But we’re not. It’s a mystery for sure, but I haven’t seen any commemorative pennants of this style for 1903-1918 while I’ve seen about ten different for the years 1919-1939. It would seem that 1903 (or earlier?) would be the natural starting point if you are doing a historical series. And I’d assume the same number of each would be produced and would be equally scarce. But that’s not true. I still lean towards a long run of annual pennants from the same company.

Now if you show me a grommeted 1908 Cubs pennant? I’ll change my mind.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Mark, Mike, Greg, and others- Is that the highest price you've seen paid for a baseball pennant? If so, anything else even close? (EDIT: I see that Greg just posted a higher priced Red Sox pennant).

If we assume that the Black Sox pennant is part of a series that was all produced at once (i.e., in the 1930s), I wonder if knowing that would affect the price if came back up for sale?

It's a legit question... but there would need to be iron-clad evidence that the pennant was a commemorative issue (made years later).

Also, that Halper sale was what... almost 20 years ago? The 1919 ChiSox Pennant might sell for even more now!

With regard to the highest price eve paid for a pennant... I think Greg nailed it with the Red Sox. I cannot recall a more expensive one.