Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I'm no heavy hitter, but I completely agree with Mark: it's likely from the late 1940s or 50s. These 26" long pennants were super, super common during that time frame. They seem to have become less popular by the 1960s.

No heavy hitter? Are you kidding? You’re like a fully roided Barry Bonds playing in Coors Field! (Sorry Marc and Rob) ... your research is amazing and has greatly added to the enjoyment of my hobby.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

No heavy hitter? Are you kidding? You’re like a fully roided Barry Bonds playing in Coors Field! (Sorry Marc and Rob) ... your research is amazing and has greatly added to the enjoyment of my hobby.

I miss those days

[Domer05]

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

I'm thinking probably not, as Detroit was solely an American League city; and the Detroit Free Press likely didn't cover the National League teams too much in those days.

But who's to say another newspaper from a National League city wouldn't have tried the same promo using NL teams?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

I'm thinking probably not, as Detroit was solely an American League city; and the Detroit Free Press likely didn't cover the National League teams too much in those days.

But who's to say another newspaper from a National League city wouldn't have tried the same promo using NL teams?

I think something probably would have turned up at some point. I have never seen the NL versions of those specific pennants (with the 2-color tassels and the 3D style embroidered lettering). I would surmise that there was never a National League version of those.... but you never know!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

If it was I who started calling them "3-D letters", I don't think that is accurate. "3-D" would be a border on on the left or right and top or bottom as if you were viewing from either side from above or below. Those "city name" pennants have fully outlined borders. Yes?

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

I'm thinking probably not, as Detroit was solely an American League city; and the Detroit Free Press likely didn't cover the National League teams too much in those days.

But who's to say another newspaper from a National League city wouldn't have tried the same promo using NL teams?

Attached are a few Detroit Free Press clippings I obtained. I believe some of these were listed before? Although I don’t have advertisements listing all NL pennants, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Brooklyn are all references which leads me to believe these and other NL teams were likely produced (or were intended to be). They also reference the ‘two color shaded letters’ and ‘two-colored strings’.

[Domer05]

Holy smokes, Erik! Where on earth did you unearth all these vintage ads?

Well, you just made some pennant owner out there enormously happy because their ca. 1913 "BROOKLYN" travel/souvenir pennant is now proven beyond any doubt to be a baseball pennant.

They may owe you dinner

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Holy smokes, Erik! Where on earth did you unearth all these vintage ads?

Well, you just made some pennant owner out there enormously happy because their ca. 1913 "BROOKLYN" travel/souvenir pennant is now proven beyond any doubt to be a baseball pennant.

They may owe you dinner

It honestly was a fluke find. I stumbled across a guy who had a bunch of newspaper and magazine clippings, and I randomly found a pennant advertisement without even thinking to look for one (I like history). I told him if he had additional ones, I'd be interested. And he found some! I paid between $7-$15 per, but it was worth it to save the history and share with the Community. Although I half thought to secretly hoard the knowledge, collect all the pennants listed, then post my findings

It would be cool to go to a Detroit library and look up 1913 Detroit Free Press publications (Sunday edition) on microfilm. Heck, maybe this stuff is all digital and online now? Greg and Marc, do you work for Universities and know how the average Joe can look into this sort of thing?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by erikc21

It honestly was a fluke find. I stumbled across a guy who had a bunch of newspaper and magazine clippings, and I randomly found a pennant advertisement without even thinking to look for one (I like history). I told him if he had additional ones, I'd be interested. And he found some! I paid between $7-$15 per, but it was worth it to save the history and share with the Community. Although I half thought to secretly hoard the knowledge, collect all the pennants listed, then post my findings

It would be cool to go to a Detroit library and look up 1913 Detroit Free Press publications (Sunday edition) on microfilm. Heck, maybe this stuff is all digital and online now? Greg and Marc, do you work for Universities and know how the average Joe can look into this sort of thing?

Erik, yep I’m at a 4 year school, although we only have access to the Philly paper archives. Don’t know if it is all digital. Still, very cool find!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by erikc21

It honestly was a fluke find. I stumbled across a guy who had a bunch of newspaper and magazine clippings, and I randomly found a pennant advertisement without even thinking to look for one (I like history). I told him if he had additional ones, I'd be interested. And he found some! I paid between $7-$15 per, but it was worth it to save the history and share with the Community. Although I half thought to secretly hoard the knowledge, collect all the pennants listed, then post my findings

It would be cool to go to a Detroit library and look up 1913 Detroit Free Press publications (Sunday edition) on microfilm. Heck, maybe this stuff is all digital and online now? Greg and Marc, do you work for Universities and know how the average Joe can look into this sort of thing?

Still on eBay, and priced very reasonably...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Scarce-1913...AAAOSwLdtepJmx

This is definitely from the set, and would go very nicely with those ads, Erik

ps. I have no affiliation with the pennant or the seller. Just trying to add some value!

[Fballguy]

Great stuff Erik!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I miss those days

I used to get in trouble with security for wearing my "Pitch To Barry" shirt to Dodger Stadium.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

No heavy hitter? Are you kidding? You’re like a fully roided Barry Bonds playing in Coors Field! (Sorry Marc and Rob) ... your research is amazing and has greatly added to the enjoyment of my hobby.

I agree with Kyle being a heavy hitter. But rather than a roided-up Bonds, I think he's more of a Rod Carew. Methodical, well-studied, patient, and uses his research to deliver the blow. Carew was a "hitting scientist" who put in the hard work, rather than taking illegal shortcuts as a path to success.

So I would say Kyle is the Rod Carew (or perhaps the Tony Gwynn) of this Forum. Greg is the Babe Ruth, and Baseball Rob is the Willie Mays. That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

[Fballguy]

Not sure what this is but interesting that it's embroidered and has multicolored tassels. Seller claims from 1900s but offers no provenance to support that.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

Hey, now! Don't believe the hype!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I agree with Kyle being a heavy hitter. But rather than a roided-up Bonds, I think he's more of a Rod Carew. Methodical, well-studied, patient, and uses his research to deliver the blow. Carew was a "hitting scientist" who put in the hard work, rather than taking illegal shortcuts as a path to success.

So I would say Kyle is the Rod Carew (or perhaps the Tony Gwynn) of this Forum. Greg is the Babe Ruth, and Baseball Rob is the Willie Mays. That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

Well thank you, but in the broader baseball memorabilia world I’d be more like a Rob Deer. One dimensional!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I agree with Kyle being a heavy hitter. But rather than a roided-up Bonds, I think he's more of a Rod Carew. Methodical, well-studied, patient, and uses his research to deliver the blow. Carew was a "hitting scientist" who put in the hard work, rather than taking illegal shortcuts as a path to success.

So I would say Kyle is the Rod Carew (or perhaps the Tony Gwynn) of this Forum. Greg is the Babe Ruth, and Baseball Rob is the Willie Mays. That guy who started the angry vindictive Glove Repair thread can be the Barry Bonds (roid-rage and all).

Oh man ... I AM ROD CAREW.....

Very well then, I pledge to only use my research for the good of our hobby.

[ser1979]

Big thanks to Fballguy for the opportunity to add these Tiger pennants to my collection.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Big thanks to Fballguy for the opportunity to add these Tiger pennants to my collection.

Awesome. You're welcome! Really glad they made it to you. The USPS has been an adventure lately. That was relatively quick considering.

[bocca001]

This is the most pristine white Giants pennant I've ever been able to buy. It's in really nice shape. My picture doesn't do it justice. It's not felt... more like a very stiff cloth material. Like cloth soaked in paint. Thanks to Greg for pointing it out to me.

[perezfan]

Great acquisitions, Stephen and Marc!!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

This is the most pristine white Giants pennant I've ever been able to buy. It's in really nice shape. My picture doesn't do it justice. It's not felt... more like a very stiff cloth material. Like cloth soaked in paint. Thanks to Greg for pointing it out to me.

Marc and I have had discussions about the 1969-197? ASCO set. You may recall I have an unhealthy obsession with trying to complete the 1969 set in cloth, with the distinct fat MLB mark. This is no doubt the same company. I need a few teams still ... I have them in felt not cloth ... but I have never seen the ‘69 cloth ASCO Giants. It likely looks like this one, I wonder if it is multicolor. The felt versions are all black on orange.