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Old 09-10-2020, 08:11 PM
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Did we ever determine whether that same newspaper (or another newspaper) ever released a similar pennant series for National League teams around the year 1913? I can't say I've ever seen a "BROOKLYN" pennant that was 10" x 30," had 3-D sewn letters, and multi-colored tassels before.

I'm thinking probably not, as Detroit was solely an American League city; and the Detroit Free Press likely didn't cover the National League teams too much in those days.

But who's to say another newspaper from a National League city wouldn't have tried the same promo using NL teams?

Attached are a few Detroit Free Press clippings I obtained. I believe some of these were listed before? Although I don’t have advertisements listing all NL pennants, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Brooklyn are all references which leads me to believe these and other NL teams were likely produced (or were intended to be). They also reference the ‘two color shaded letters’ and ‘two-colored strings’.





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Holy smokes, Erik! Where on earth did you unearth all these vintage ads?

Well, you just made some pennant owner out there enormously happy because their ca. 1913 "BROOKLYN" travel/souvenir pennant is now proven beyond any doubt to be a baseball pennant.

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Old 09-11-2020, 10:49 AM
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Holy smokes, Erik! Where on earth did you unearth all these vintage ads?

Well, you just made some pennant owner out there enormously happy because their ca. 1913 "BROOKLYN" travel/souvenir pennant is now proven beyond any doubt to be a baseball pennant.

They may owe you dinner
It honestly was a fluke find. I stumbled across a guy who had a bunch of newspaper and magazine clippings, and I randomly found a pennant advertisement without even thinking to look for one (I like history). I told him if he had additional ones, I'd be interested. And he found some! I paid between $7-$15 per, but it was worth it to save the history and share with the Community. Although I half thought to secretly hoard the knowledge, collect all the pennants listed, then post my findings

It would be cool to go to a Detroit library and look up 1913 Detroit Free Press publications (Sunday edition) on microfilm. Heck, maybe this stuff is all digital and online now? Greg and Marc, do you work for Universities and know how the average Joe can look into this sort of thing?
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It honestly was a fluke find. I stumbled across a guy who had a bunch of newspaper and magazine clippings, and I randomly found a pennant advertisement without even thinking to look for one (I like history). I told him if he had additional ones, I'd be interested. And he found some! I paid between $7-$15 per, but it was worth it to save the history and share with the Community. Although I half thought to secretly hoard the knowledge, collect all the pennants listed, then post my findings

It would be cool to go to a Detroit library and look up 1913 Detroit Free Press publications (Sunday edition) on microfilm. Heck, maybe this stuff is all digital and online now? Greg and Marc, do you work for Universities and know how the average Joe can look into this sort of thing?
Erik, yep I’m at a 4 year school, although we only have access to the Philly paper archives. Don’t know if it is all digital. Still, very cool find!
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It honestly was a fluke find. I stumbled across a guy who had a bunch of newspaper and magazine clippings, and I randomly found a pennant advertisement without even thinking to look for one (I like history). I told him if he had additional ones, I'd be interested. And he found some! I paid between $7-$15 per, but it was worth it to save the history and share with the Community. Although I half thought to secretly hoard the knowledge, collect all the pennants listed, then post my findings

It would be cool to go to a Detroit library and look up 1913 Detroit Free Press publications (Sunday edition) on microfilm. Heck, maybe this stuff is all digital and online now? Greg and Marc, do you work for Universities and know how the average Joe can look into this sort of thing?
Still on eBay, and priced very reasonably...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Scarce-1913...AAAOSwLdtepJmx

This is definitely from the set, and would go very nicely with those ads, Erik

ps. I have no affiliation with the pennant or the seller. Just trying to add some value!
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Here's another...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1913-D...EAAOSw-oRepJq7

Reversed color scheme, but priced quite a bit higher.

This Detroit version definitely surfaces more than the others. Was hoping a few other teams would eventually turn up after the sale of the complete A.L. Set. But it's looking like the winning bidder wanted to keep the set in tact, rather than piece it out.
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Here's another...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1913-D...EAAOSw-oRepJq7

Reversed color scheme, but priced quite a bit higher.

This Detroit version definitely surfaces more than the others. Was hoping a few other teams would eventually turn up after the sale of the complete A.L. Set. But it's looking like the winning bidder wanted to keep the set in tact, rather than piece it out.
Pretty strong provenance on the black one.
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Interesting to note that only the latter variant bears the "Detroit Free Press" label on the reverse. I agree, however, that both are likely from the same promo set.

This inconsistency adds a minor wrinkle into things as the provenance isn't going to be quite 100% without that label. (Although I'll happily accept a "BROOKLYN" pennant without one!)
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That eBay seller Vintagebaseballco has some great older Tigers pennants and memorabilia! Over the years I've purchased a few nice items off of him.
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Great stuff Erik!
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