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When you talk about picking the "cream of the crop" that's likely at least somewhat true. But in winning the ROY, these players were finishing on top of all the white players who were rookies (and subsequently the many MVP's won by Mays, Aaron, Frank Robinson, Campanella etc which means they were literally viewed as the best.) Regarding my two comments, they are consistent. Research has shown that the elite of the Negro Leagues were on par with the elite in the Majors, but that the teams were overall thinner in talent. Even if the number of stars missing from pre-integration was 30%-40% and not fully 50%, you are looking at the leagues missing large groups of the best players. In my mind, if you don't count the Negro Leagues as a Major League because it didn't quite live up to the AL and NL (top to bottom), it's hard to compare stats from pre-integration with post-integration. All that said, I know not everyone will agree (though I think most will disagree with less nuance than you have) and I appreciate the dialogue around this. Last edited by Topnotchsy; 12-16-2020 at 10:19 PM. |
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And while there are a handful of black Latino HOFers from the Negro Leagues, there was never a Latino superstar who made it into pre-integration MLB. |
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1) All the players I mentioned were black except for Clemente, and I don't believe any were Latino. I didn't even mention Pujols, Arod etc. 2) There were many great players who because they couldn't play in the MLB, chose to play in Cuba, Puerto Rico and Mexico. Players like Alejandro Oms, Pedro (Perucho) Cepeda etc. Had those players had the chance to play in the MLB, with the increased salaries and opportunities, many if not all would have taken that opportunity. (Some players were explicit about not playing in the US because of the color barrier) |
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Ted Williams says hello.
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Touche! You got me there, Chris.
(Although Ted's roots were definitely covered more than once and way back when, it still was not something most people were privy to. I think this would still be news to the majority of the population. The case of Teddy completely slipped my mind, as I was thinking of those who actually came from Latin American countries when I wrote what I did. It's a shame he wished to hide an entire half of his genes and to an extent, his family.) Last edited by BillyCoxDodgers3B; 12-17-2020 at 05:27 PM. |
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Look- if nobody has any opinions on this subject, perhaps the OP should just ask Leon to close the thread.
LOL - why so serious? .
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According to the "official" stats Josh Gibson hit 113 HR. I wonder how many he really hit.
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I'm the OP but all I did was state the fact in the thread title. Little did I suspect that people on Net54 would have opinions.
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Exactly why it slipped my mind in the first place. Thanks to your correction, though, I'm never likely to forget about it again!
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Don't worry, if you do, I'll be here to berate you endlessly.
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