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I sure could go for a mean tweet and some $1.97 gas right now. But I heard 'ol Joe was going to put Hunter on that. He's a pipe expert don't you know?
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Essentially eradicated? But they do still exist, no?
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US has not had a polio case for 40 plus years.
As to smallpox The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was reported in 1977. In 1980, the World Health Organization declared that smallpox had been eradicated. Currently, there is no evidence of naturally occurring smallpox transmission anywhere in the world.
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Depends on how you look at it. The US hasn't had a case originate in the US in over 40 years. But surely you know that cases have been brought into the US by foreign travelers?
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In January of 2020, the World Health Origination also decarded that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission of Covid. But if the WHO is a source for information for you, I won't argue.
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A few, yes.
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There must be some right wing organization that made the same declaration.
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And as for smallpox, do you think there could be live viruses in labs somewhere that could somehow be "let loose?"
I've also heard about somewhere (maybe it was Russia) where the tundra was thawing and they thought that it could be transmitted via frozen corpses that died a century (or more) ago as they thaw. That was a few years ago, I don't know what happened with that. |
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Smallpox
Smallpox is interesting as there is no animal vector..... you have to catch it from another person (or from a lab). The virus does exist in three places in the world under "ultra high security isolation measures"..... the CDC in Atlanta, Geneva, Switzerland, and Moscow, Russia. There had been serious discussion about getting rid of those but distrust among "friends" will not allow that. Plus the thought that the virus may be needed in the future to develop vaccines or for research. The sad truth is that for over 40 years if scientists wanted to create a killer virus that could wipe out most of the world they could do it in a lab with recombinant DNA. So far they have restrained themselves..... so there is one more thing to look out for like an asteroid or whatever has us in the crosshairs today!
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Don't forget the flu! It's disappeared in 2021. We did it guys. I just can't believe we've finally FOUND a cure for a virlent form of the common cold! Science is progressing at a rapid pace
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I assume you are referring to peer reviewed studies where the peer, if he/she doesn't like the result because it doesn't jive with the narrative nor fit the agenda, is tossed out?
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Why did you get those vaccines if you didn't know what they were or why you were getting them? Last edited by packs; 05-17-2021 at 07:51 AM. |
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Feel free to point out the flaws instead of spewing your BS and agenda driven soundbites. Ironically, your post is describing yourself to a tee -- because the studies don't fit YOUR narrative, you apparently reject them even though I am sure you haven't read them.
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Eight people from the New York Yankees organization tested positive, despite having been fully vaccinated. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/s...t-to-know.html Family left with questions after Brampton senior's death. https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...ive-days-later Langley-area man loses 2 metres of intestine after a blood clot following his AstraZeneca jab https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...fect-1.6027830 Some healthcare workers refuse to take COVID-19 vaccine, even with priority access. https://www.latimes.com/california/s...vaccine-access I could list dozens more, and you know that, but what's the point as I'll just be called a conspiracy theorist and a strawman arguer or whatever other names you can come up with to shame me for pointing out the other side of the story that is rarely, if ever talked about, unless you look it up for yourself.
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I was a soldier. I wasn't given an option. I did what I was told to do and didn't give it any thought at the time. Besides, most of those (if not all) I'd already had as a kid anyway.
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The question here, the value judgment, is the balance of efficacy (seriouses illness prevented and lives saved) versus adverse effects. But one can only have that discussion based on the facts and the science, not agenda.
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Are sheep just woolves in disguise?
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PS I think the other side of the equation absolutely should be discussed. I have no issue with that. What I have an issue with is distorting and denying the positive side.
We make the same judgments about many things in life. We know that X number of people are going to die or be seriously injured in car accidents every year. So do we ban driving?
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Great Frank. Something else for me to worry about
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This thread is approaching ‘Kevin Mize BST post’ territory for number of posts with no resolution, and I don’t think anyone is going to change their mind based off what they read in a baseball card forum.
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It's a discussion, there doesn't have to be a resolution.
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Trying to force compliance is not a discussion.
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Never mind. He would never get it anyway.
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Thanks for the many inquiries, still available...
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If Floyd Mayweather was administering the vaccine, would you still want to be jabbed.....................once or twice.
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That's an easy one to answer from a science perspective. The more people who are unvaccinated the more time we give the virus to mutate. The more time we give it to mutate the more likely it mutates into a variant against which the current vaccines don't work. THAT'S why herd immunity is such a big deal. Not as much for immediate health but to keep this thing from lingering and flaring up continuously for years.
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Now the current vaccines used against covid in North America are not the classical type, and they are not designed to provide immunity. They are designed to provide a decreased percentage for the spike protein to bind to ACE2, thus lowering viral load in which the viral side effects are lower or not noticed by the person. Even in this design, they still say that a person who is vaccinated can still become infected and still spread the virus, albeit at a lower rate. The pressure on the virus due to the operating environment is what causes a virus to mutate. The limiting factors are the inability to spread, be it from a vaccinated person's increased resilience to the spike protein, or a recovered person with immunity. In this case, a virus may mutate to overcome those limitations. Now there are various outcomes of our current environment, as we have 4 (or 5) groups of people: 1. Those who have not had an infection but are not immune 2. Those who have recovered from an infection and have immunological memory (the body recognises the virus as well as spike protein) 3. Those who are vaccinated but have not had a previous infection. 4. Those who have recovered, have the immunological memory, and are vaccinated. 5. Those who are naturally immune (I think this is all of the possibilities at this time, if I forgot one let me know) So from the above, we can potentially ignore #5 because there is no way to know how a mutant would effect them. For the others the situation can vary depending on the reason why the mutant came into being. If a mutation occurs where a portion of the virus changes but it still binds to ACE2, then it will effect group 3 more than 2 or 4 because group 3 does not have immunological memory of the virus, only the spike protein If a mutation occurs where the spike protein changes OR binds to something other than ACE2 but the virus itself largely remains unchanged, then it will effect group 3 more than group 2 and 4, because group 2 would have the memory of the virus. The moral of the story is that vaccines do not (and have not) ever stopped a virus from mutating. Now there is some tedpidation in the literature I have read that vaccinating such large portions of a population gives the population too common of an infection vector. Rather than longer periods in the past of natural infection and a vaccine coming much later tends to give a varied type of immunity in a population, which creates a more difficult environment for a virus to adapt to. This virus is new, and the methods that governments have been using to contain it are new. Whether you get the vaccine or not, we won't know how it plays out until it plays out. And even then, it isn't like we can know if we did it right, because we can't have a do-over to try something else. |
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I'll take it, trumps any ongoing negotiations
For the card that is
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X2!
Excellent post, G1911.
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“(T)he reason to get a vaccine is to avoid the risk of the affects of the disease.” That is one of the reasons. The other reason is for a person to minimize his/her potential of passing the virus to another person. At 30 with a healthy weight and no vitamin D deficiency, you can get Covid-19 and survive. Great! But what about the people you infect? Can you say the same about them? “Put on a surgical mask, step outside on a cold morning, and breathe. See your breath in the air?” Yes, what of it? Do you expect a mask to completely absorb your breath so that none of your warm, moist breath condenses when it hits the cold air? Sorry, but that’s a rather specious reason to argue against wearing a mask. The reason for the mask is to reduce the distance that a person's breath will travel, thus minimizing the potential of a person infecting someone else. Not 100% perfect, but minimizing the distance the virus may travel from an infected person is important. At 30 with a healthy weight and no vitamin D deficiency, you can get Covid-19 and survive. Great! But what if you get infected and don’t know it? Isn’t wearing a mask a small price to pay if it can help keep you from infecting someone else? “States with high mask usage are not doing better than states without.” Do you have a source for this claim? This reference completely refutes that claim. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0249891 Lastly, you say you have a 99.8% chance of surviving getting Covid-19. Let me point out, that your chances of surviving the covid shot are greater than that. But, "what are the long-term effects the vaccine will have on me?", you ask. Right now, the prevailing thought is that it shouldn't have any. And, honestly, this thought may change. Do you know what the long-term effects of getting Covid-19 are? Is the prevailing thought that there is no chance of long-term effects of getting Covid-19?
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Pretty draconian view of society and your place in it. Would you slow down for someone crossing a street after the light turns green? Or did they make a decision they'll have to live with now?
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To be expected, I am afraid, of younger people. All about themselves.
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For a smart guy you are completely missing his point.
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I was just distilling what you said to it's fundamentals, which is you make your decision for you and that's how it is for everyone else.
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Haha that's exactly what I said. It doesn't matter if your decision poses a risk to me because you made it and that's how it is.
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If you are worried, get vaccinated. What risk do I possibly pose to you? Are you under the belief that your vaccine only works if I am also vaccinated?
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So if we don't want the vaccine, we should just take it anyway? For the sake of others?
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Earlier in the pandemic it pissed me off, for example, that many young people couldn't even give up their parties for the sake of contributing to protecting the rest of us. The nature of this disease is that the young aren't very much at risk but the older are. But the young can expose the old, particularly given asymptomatic transmission. To me that suggests the young bear some responsibility to society.
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The risk has been explained. I don't have a problem with someone not wanting to get the vaccine. But I do have a problem with that person standing next to me without a mask on. If you mask up, no issue.
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