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I used to think the manager's impact on the team was overstated. Then I saw Bobby Valentine manage the Red Sox. He took a team that had won 90 games the year before, and would win the World Series the following year, and lost 90 games for the first time since 1966.
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Ted maybe you know if this is a real story or not, but I have read that a reporter actually asked Stengel after the Larsen game if it was the best game he had seen Larsen pitch. Stengel, ever the wit, allegedly replied, "so far."
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Speaking of good moves, I have read it was Stengel who put an end to Mantle playing shortstop. Supposedly, during a spring training game, literally moved him out to the outfield by coming out and prodding him with a bat after a throwing error. No clue if it's a real story.
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Of course, if we say Stengel was a good manager for winning with the Yankees, does that imply Houk and Berra were also good managers?

The Yankees won 4 consecutive pennants and 2 more WS after Stengel was fired. And Berra also won a pennant in 1973.

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Of course, if we say Stengel was a good manager for winning with the Yankees, does that imply Houk and Berra were also good managers?

The Yankees won 4 consecutive pennants and 2 more WS after Stengel was fired. And Berra also won a [pennant in 1973.
Houk didn't win anything during his second stint after replacing Johnny Keane.
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Houk didn't win anything during his second stint after replacing Johnny Keane.
Neither did Stengel in his next gig. Both had last place teams to work with.

The Yankees got old very quickly. Maybe Keane (1964 WS winner) having a dismal year with the Yankees in 1965 is good evidence of their talent decline.
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Neither did Stengel in his next gig. Both had last place teams to work with.

The Yankees got old very quickly. Maybe Keane (1964 WS winner) having a dismal year with the Yankees in 1965 is good evidence of their talent decline.
Yeah 64 was really the last hurrah for those great teams. All fell apart.
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