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Old 08-16-2021, 05:30 PM
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Jeez. I thought they had Mike Baker in house too now, as if you need anyone with more expertise than Brentsy on this travesty.

Josh maybe you should alert PSA about the 6 still on ebay, if Brentsy is going to hide behind PSA.
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Old 08-16-2021, 06:03 PM
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Jeez. I thought they had Mike Baker in house too now, as if you need anyone with more expertise than Brentsy on this travesty.

Josh maybe you should alert PSA about the 6 still on ebay, if Brentsy is going to hide behind PSA.
My message to PSA directly on 8-12-2019:

These two cards are both are US Topps cards mislabeled as Venezuela Topps... the Venezuela Topps version is extremely rare, particularly in this grade, and now the population report has been massively skewed as the mislabeling of the cards is opening the door for the seller to turn a $50 card into thousands of dollars and a total fraud. Nearly $10,000 of liability to PSA.

$5900.00

RARE - MICKEY MANTLE & Boyer 1960 Venezuela Topps #160 PSA 6 EX-MT (Pop ...

Extremely Rare 1960 Topps Venezuela #160 “Rival All Stars” Mickey Mantle & Ken Boyer PSA 6 EX-MT, extremely r...


$3900.00

RARE - MICKEY MANTLE & Boyer 1960 Venezuela Topps #160 PSA 5 EX (PSA Pop...

Extremely Rare 1960 Topps Venezuela #160 “Rival All Stars” Mickey Mantle & Ken Boyer PSA 5 EX, extremely rar...


With a system which supposedly requires multiple graders checking cards for accuracy before they leave PSA, there was a major failure here. Any grader who knows this issue would be able to tell in a glance that both of these cards were US Topps cards. The 1960 Venezuela Topps cards have different coloration, print quality, muted black ink on the back, as well as an easily distinguishable "sandstone" texture on the back. I'd guess the person who submitted them even listed them US Topps cards on their submission form.

These cards are both problematic now, and the seller, who I have communicated with asking him to return them to PSA to be corrected, is intent on committing fraud and selling them as fools gold to some unsuspecting collector.

Please find a way to get those cards back, out of those mislabeled holders and out of the population report.

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Destanie Powell (Collectors Universe)

Aug 21, 12:44 PDT

Hi there!

Thank you for contacting PSA Customer Service!

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and we do recommend to contact the seller so they can send it back to us for correction.

If any questions remain, please do not hesitate to reach out to PSA Customer Service at (800) 325-1121. A Customer Service Representative will be available Monday through Friday from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (PST) to answer remaining questions.

Thank you,

Destanie
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Old 08-16-2021, 07:51 PM
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My message to PSA directly on 8-12-2019:

These two cards are both are US Topps cards mislabeled as Venezuela Topps... the Venezuela Topps version is extremely rare, particularly in this grade, and now the population report has been massively skewed as the mislabeling of the cards is opening the door for the seller to turn a $50 card into thousands of dollars and a total fraud. Nearly $10,000 of liability to PSA.

$5900.00

RARE - MICKEY MANTLE & Boyer 1960 Venezuela Topps #160 PSA 6 EX-MT (Pop ...

Extremely Rare 1960 Topps Venezuela #160 “Rival All Stars” Mickey Mantle & Ken Boyer PSA 6 EX-MT, extremely r...


$3900.00

RARE - MICKEY MANTLE & Boyer 1960 Venezuela Topps #160 PSA 5 EX (PSA Pop...

Extremely Rare 1960 Topps Venezuela #160 “Rival All Stars” Mickey Mantle & Ken Boyer PSA 5 EX, extremely rar...


With a system which supposedly requires multiple graders checking cards for accuracy before they leave PSA, there was a major failure here. Any grader who knows this issue would be able to tell in a glance that both of these cards were US Topps cards. The 1960 Venezuela Topps cards have different coloration, print quality, muted black ink on the back, as well as an easily distinguishable "sandstone" texture on the back. I'd guess the person who submitted them even listed them US Topps cards on their submission form.

These cards are both problematic now, and the seller, who I have communicated with asking him to return them to PSA to be corrected, is intent on committing fraud and selling them as fools gold to some unsuspecting collector.

Please find a way to get those cards back, out of those mislabeled holders and out of the population report.

PSA's reply:

Destanie Powell (Collectors Universe)

Aug 21, 12:44 PDT

Hi there!

Thank you for contacting PSA Customer Service!

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and we do recommend to contact the seller so they can send it back to us for correction.

If any questions remain, please do not hesitate to reach out to PSA Customer Service at (800) 325-1121. A Customer Service Representative will be available Monday through Friday from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (PST) to answer remaining questions.

Thank you,

Destanie
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Jesus that's awful.
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Just checked the PSA population report on the 2 1960 Venies in question... Both have been removed...
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and great. I suspect (hope) that PSA is becoming much more responsive to these types of situations. Great catch Josh. Now let's see how PWCC handles it.
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Wow… I have never seen them deactivate a cert before without the card in hand, what happens to the guy who just bought the card for $1k? I’d say it’s a entirely worthless card now (until it’s cracked). And the one on eBay being offered for $4k… that one is worthless too.

Glad to see them right that wrong.
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Wow… I have never seen them deactivate a cert before without the card in hand, what happens to the guy who just bought the card for $1k? I’d say it’s a entirely worthless card now (until it’s cracked). And the one on eBay being offered for $4k… that one is worthless too.

Glad to see them right that wrong.
Isn't it only worthless to those that look up the cert #s? I have never looked up a cert # but have only owned a couple hundred PSA slabs total. Any guess on the percentage of buyers who do?
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