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Old 08-12-2022, 04:28 PM
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Amazing stuff everyone! Peter, what is that set that the Pryor, Allen and Belushi come from?
1992 Edito Service. I think it's Italian. Massive set with a million celebrities. Some more which I consider first cards until proven wrong:
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Very cool, thanks for the info!
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She got Greta Garbo's standoff sighs, she's got Bette Davis eyes.
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I was thrilled to find this recently, a 1990s German card.
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Where the citizen is sovereign and the official the servant, where no power is exercised except by the will of the people, it is important that the sovereign — the people — should possess intelligence.

The free school is the promoter of that intelligence which is to preserve us as a free nation. If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon’s, but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition, and ignorance on the other.

Now in this centennial year of our national existence, I believe it a good time to begin the work of strengthening the foundation of the house commenced by our patriotic forefathers one hundred years ago, at Concord and Lexington. Let us all labor to add all needful guarantees for the more perfect security of free thought, free speech, and free press, pure morals, unfettered religious sentiments, and of equal rights and privileges to all men, irrespective of nationality, color, or religion.

Encourage free schools, and resolve that not one dollar of money appropriated to their support, no matter how raised, shall be appropriated to the support of any sectarian school. Resolve that the State or Nation, or both combined, shall furnish to every child growing up in the land, the means of acquiring a good common-school education, unmixed with sectarian, pagan, or atheistic tenets. Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate. With these safeguards, I believe the battles which created the Army of the Tennessee will not have been fought in vain.

--US Grant, speech at the Annual Reunion of the Army of the Tennessee in Des Moines, Iowa, on Sept. 29, 1875
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Peter, what is that set that the Pryor, Allen and Belushi come from?

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1992 Edito Service. I think it's Italian. Massive set with a million celebrities. Some more which I consider first cards until proven wrong:
Pryor and Nicholson both have earlier cards.

1983 Topps Superman III


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Good to know, wdmullins- thanks.

My non-sports collection is rather limited but here is my contribution
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1937 Famous Minors series. I got the whole set for $5, tons of history figures. British tobacco is largely dirt cheap. My leanings are toward antiquity and literature, so these two are nice in my book. I have no idea what John Milton's rookie card is.
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I have no idea what John Milton's rookie card is.
Rookie cards make (a little) sense in the sports card hobby. In non-sports, it's silly.
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Rookie cards make (a little) sense in the sports card hobby. In non-sports, it's silly.
Why? Why for example isn't Michael Jackson's first card as significant as Mike Trout's, relatively speaking?
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Rookie cards make (a little) sense in the sports card hobby. In non-sports, it's silly.
Why? Why for example isn't Michael Jackson's first card as significant as Mike Trout's, relatively speaking?
For several reasons -

1. Athletes have well-defined rookie seasons, and in general, the people pictured on non-sports cards do not. (When was Neil Armstrong's rookie year -- 1969, when he landed on the moon? 1966, when he flew his Gemini mission? In 1955, when he became a test pilot? 1949, when he joined the Navy?)

2. While sports cards have rookie cards defined separately from first cards (usually based on the differences between playing in major and minor leagues), the distinction is lost in non-sports cards.

3. In sports, a rookie card generally means a card issued in association with a player's rookie season, but not in non-sports (else John Milton's "rookie card" would be well over 300 years old). Michael Jackson first sang professionally in 1964 (as part of the Jackson 5), and as a solo in 1971. His first foreign card seems to have been in 1971 (as part of the J5), his first solo card was 1972 (also foreign), and his first US, solo card would have been from his 1984 Topps set. Which of these most corresponds to what is accepted as a sports rookie card? I'd say the 1984 Topps, but it's either 20 or 13 years too late to be a "rookie" card.

4. To people who've collected non-sports for a long time, the whole idea of a non-sports rookie card appears to be an attempt by sports card speculators to identify and hype non-sport cards as being more valuable than they otherwise would be, given that their intrinsic scarcity and value isn't any greater than any other card from the same set.

5. And often, people who identify a particular card as a non-sports celebrity's "rookie" card are simply ignorant and wrong when they do so (and I'm not accusing anyone in this thread, btw) -- I recently informed someone who was calling an Impel Terminator 2 card Arnold Schwarzenegger's rookie card that they were a year late -- he had appeared in the previous year on cards in Pacific's Totall Recall set.

Anyone who says a particular card is a celebrity's first card is making a statement of fact. Calling it a "rookie" card, though, is just putting a label on the card that it usually doesn't deserve, with the connotation that it has a value associated with it that the market may or may not bear out.
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Rookie cards make (a little) sense in the sports card hobby. In non-sports, it's silly.
Personally, I don’t think they make much sense in either world. First card, I get a little bit, but rookie with its million inconsistent rules to not include any cards that are difficult or the collector doesn’t want to have to buy don’t make a lick of sense.

I have no idea what John Milton’s first card is. Probably a Neurdein or something like that.
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I have the 1937 Wills British Authors set, so it has some of my favorites like P.G. Wodehouse and G.K. Chesterton. Hilaire Belloc is a favorite of my dad's. A.A. Milne too. All rookie$.
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This next one is a year earlier than the Pro Line posted above, but neither is his first. He was in a set called "Uncle Milty" from the 1950s, when he had an early TV show.





Again, this next one is not his first card, but it's the only one I have signed.
























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And a few more, that wouldn't fit in the previous post









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