‘54 Jackie - Trimmed?

[jchcollins]

Opposite side on the ‘54 Face. I mean I'll agree the cut is wonky, but it's a difficult argument that the card overall is small...(?)




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[G1911]

Trimmed does not mean small. Even today, if you take a stack of 2022 Topps cards, and look very, very closely one will see they are not the same sizes. It was even more true in the 1950's, there are tons of trimmed cards that don't measure short. As the slab positions the bottom for us, to my eyes, the top does not seem to slant quite as one would expect with the bottom the card has.

[JollyElm]

Do the wear patterns on all four edges match each other, or does the edge of the side in question match the other three? That's what I would examine under high magnification. SGC uses that 'magic box' machine (have no idea what it's actually called) that immediately spells out various things that aren't readily seen by the human eye. Perhaps it showed them evidence of a slash job?

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Do the wear patterns on all four edges match each other, or does the edge of the side in question match the other three? That's what I would examine under high magnification. SGC uses that 'magic box' machine (have no idea what it's actually called) that immediately spells out various things that aren't readily seen by the human eye. Perhaps it showed them evidence of a slash job?

What does this magic box machine do exactly? I haven't heard about this. Are they using some partial machine grading?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

What does this magic box machine do exactly? I haven't heard about this. Are they using some partial machine grading?

There was a video walkthrough of SGC awhile back, and the basics of it were (not sure how specific or accurate my memory is) that they put the card in this microwave oven looking thing (that's an exaggeration) and BOOM!! it immediately showed surface wear, wrinkles, etc., that you wouldn't readily know was there. It was shocking to me, and reminded me of some type of LIDAR that archaeologists use to cut through the foliage from the air.

[irv]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

What does this magic box machine do exactly? I haven't heard about this. Are they using some partial machine grading?

Originally Posted by JollyElm

There was a video walkthrough of SGC awhile back, and the basics of it were (not sure how specific or accurate my memory is) that they put the card in this microwave oven looking thing (that's an exaggeration) and BOOM!! it immediately showed surface wear, wrinkles, etc., that you wouldn't readily know was there. It was shocking to me, and reminded me of some type of LIDAR that archaeologists use to cut through the foliage from the air.

Skip to the 16:05 spot to see the machine Jolly is talking about.
https://youtu.be/_YNOs6Xu80w

[BobC]

Here's something else to try. Instead of comparing your raw '54 Jackie side-by-side with just one other raw '54 card, get several other raw '54 cards (assuming you have some more) and stack them up with Jackie buried somewhere in the middle of the stack, and snug all the cards up so they stack evenly on all sides. Now take a look at the cards in the stack from all sides and see if you can readily pick the Jackie card out by it not quite measuring up to all your other raw '54s. Not perfect, but may show the Jackie doesn't quite measure up after all.

Forget what I said, didn't realize right away the card in question was encapsulated. Can only do what suggested with raw cards. My bad.

[spartygw]

Originally Posted by irv

Skip to the 16:05 spot to see the machine Jolly is talking about.

https://youtu.be/_YNOs6Xu80w

Interesting!

Whoever sent thet 53 Mantle in is going to be really disappointed when they get it back as a 3.

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[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by G1911

Trimmed does not mean small. Even today, if you take a stack of 2022 Topps cards, and look very, very closely one will see they are not the same sizes. It was even more true in the 1950's, there are tons of trimmed cards that don't measure short. As the slab positions the bottom for us, to my eyes, the top does not seem to slant quite as one would expect with the bottom the card has.

Good point. Who knows. I’m not going to let it bother me too much. I may sell the card (w/ full disclosure) at some point later on.


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