Roberto Clemente Banned in Florida

Peter_Spaeth · #1 02-20-2023, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

There are terrible stereo types in rap music as well and the list goes on and on.. so ban everything

Yes, that aspect of some rap seems to get a very large pass for the most part. Here is a very old piece by my classmate Kim Crenshaw.

https://www.bostonreview.net/article...-and-misogyny/

packs · #2 02-20-2023, 03:04 PM

People like to bring up rap. What is it about rap that pushes buttons? Someone will be upset about the lyrics to a rap song but then talk about how much they love Goodfellas or any number of movies in that vein.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 02-20-2023, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

People like to bring up rap. What is it about rap that pushes buttons? Someone will be upset about the lyrics to a rap song but then talk about how much they love Goodfellas or any number of movies in that vein.

The blatant vulgar misogyny, for one.

packs · #4 02-20-2023, 03:10 PM

But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

Peter_Spaeth · #5 02-20-2023, 03:14 PM

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But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

I'm not sure what celebrated movies are as dehumanizing to women, especially black women, as some rap.

1952boyntoncollector · #6 02-20-2023, 09:48 PM

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I'm not sure what celebrated movies are as dehumanizing to women, especially black women, as some rap.

right, again question of degree, music hits home at a more basic level as to the reality of rap music versus movies. To say that rap music impacts the youth that are depicted in the music in the real world the same as 'goodfellas' is silly

its really a silly comparison, there are gangs and gang life depicted in rap who are actual gangsters in real life, i guess al pacino is gangster as well... yeah i am sure in movies there are one or two but again its a quesition of degree and its not even close

1952boyntoncollector · #7 02-20-2023, 09:54 PM

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But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

What are the ton of celebrated movies you speak of.. i know i can google a ton of degrading rap videos of woman and also of actual gangsters in the videos. The real violence versus fantasy movie violence is distinct

There have been actual rappers shot and killed that were in the 'life', i am not aware of rival movies stars shooting each other over reputation and who knows why else. about 18 rappers have been shot and killed in the last 2 years or so........if they are not so different why dont i see people wearing shirts of dead movies stars that were murdered. There is a style of rap called 'battle rap' i am not aware of anything close in the celebrated movies, but i can tell you many of these battle rappers were the most popular at the time and celebrated.. Many of these murders were directly related to the rap game...not because of an angry spouse etc

..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._hop_musicians

packs · #8 02-21-2023, 09:30 AM

You might remember, maybe not because it doesn't sound like you're a movie guy, but a whole host of Hollywood types in "the life" went to prison or face possible prison sentences because of some truly horrible things they've done to people in their industry. You may be even more shocked to learn that many more Hollywood types faced no consequences at all for what they did.

This is all to say there are bad people and bad themes in every medium, which is what my point is. Being a rapper doesn't say anything more about who you are than being an actor does.

Republicaninmass · #9 02-21-2023, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by packs

You might remember, maybe not because it doesn't sound like you're a movie guy, but a whole host of Hollywood types in "the life" went to prison or face possible prison sentences because of some truly horrible things they've done to people in their industry.

You may be even more shocked to learn that many more Hollywood types faced no consequences at all for what they did.

At least one person, likley got AWAY with murder, was it somewhat in part to the color of his skin or his fame?

Carter08 · #10 02-21-2023, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by packs

You might remember, maybe not because it doesn't sound like you're a movie guy, but a whole host of Hollywood types in "the life" went to prison or face possible prison sentences because of some truly horrible things they've done to people in their industry. You may be even more shocked to learn that many more Hollywood types faced no consequences at all for what they did.

This is all to say there are bad people and bad themes in every medium, which is what my point is. Being a rapper doesn't say anything more about who you are than being an actor does.

Amazing post. Some are quick to turn a blind eye to rapist Hollywood folks but focus on rappers.

1952boyntoncollector · #11 02-21-2023, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

You might remember, maybe not because it doesn't sound like you're a movie guy, but a whole host of Hollywood types in "the life" went to prison or face possible prison sentences because of some truly horrible things they've done to people in their industry. You may be even more shocked to learn that many more Hollywood types faced no consequences at all for what they did.

This is all to say there are bad people and bad themes in every medium, which is what my point is. Being a rapper doesn't say anything more about who you are than being an actor does.

Right being black or white doesnt mean anything either. So thats a a bunch of nothing. However if you want to compare the 30th best selling rappers on spotify versus the 30th best selling actors...i am going to take a wild guess that the murder rate/criminal is higher for rappers, maybe its an age thing...but it is what it is...as don lemon says 'google it'

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