1921-23 E220 National Caramel Dating Re-evaluation

brianp-beme · #1 07-07-2023, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat R

Brian, I don't know the set so I'm not sure if all of these are authentic but if they are comparing the fronts to the back scans I believe they are all type 3's.

Hi Pat, fantastic, thanks! I have never really dived into scouring the internet for E220 back variations, as I have just haphazardly/sporadically done so over the years. All those cards look good and are the Type 3 (or Type 2 Reversed...I may have been inconsistently haphazard/sporadic about the back type designation over the years as well).

I will update the list on the previous post. Now just to find the Wingo and Bagby with a Type 2 or Type 3 back (keep in mind that all E220 Bagby cards have Bagby's last name incorrectly spelled as Bagbyk, which, by the way, is my all-time favorite misspelled name on a card).

Brian

brianp-beme · #2 05-31-2024, 03:13 AM

Updated post #60 with additions/changes to the lists, current to 5/31/24. New additions are noted with both bold type AND an '*'.

Brian

paul · #3 10-20-2024, 08:32 PM

Has anyone else noticed that the E220 Frisch lists him as a third baseman, just like the 1921 E121-80, but unlike the 1922 E121-120? This could be evidence of a 1921 issue date. But it's pretty weak evidence compared to the information Rhett presented 14 years ago, so I'm still sticking to Rhett's 1922 date.

brianp-beme · #4 10-21-2024, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by paul

Has anyone else noticed that the E220 Frisch lists him as a third baseman, just like the 1921 E121-80, but unlike the 1922 E121-120? This could be evidence of a 1921 issue date. But it's pretty weak evidence compared to the information Rhett presented 14 years ago, so I'm still sticking to Rhett's 1922 date.

Definitely Frisch was almost strictly a 3rd baseman in 1920, and in 1921 and 1922 he played in a significant amount of games at both 2nd base and 3rd base. So definitely I could see that his 1920 season would have pegged him to be listed as a 3rd baseman if produced in 1921. But then again he also played over 60% of his playing time in 1921 at 3rd base, so he was still probably seen as primarily as a 3rd baseman going into the 1922 season.

I also still agree with Rhett's 1922 assessment as well.

1920 3B 109 games

1920 SS 2 games

1921 3B 93 games

1921 2B 61 games

1922 2B 85 games

1922 3B 53 games

1922 SS 1 game

Brian

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