Real curious to see National reports

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Modern is volatile AF, just the nature of the beast. Always has been (Gregg Jeffries RCs, anyone?). The guys who focus there must enjoy grabbing a tiger by the tail. As was said, they don't have the experience of the past boom and bust cycles, so they just have to learn what happens as it happens. Us old farts are so jaded that we sometimes forget that this is new stuff to the newbs. We can warn all we like, and we can be right, but the kids won't listen to us any more than our own kids listen to us.

When it comes to modern card collectors and newbs, I just try to enjoy the schadenfreude moments as they come. They always do. The death spiral is inevitable, so I just watch the flippers flailing on the way down, then I buy what I want when it bottoms out. That's how I got most of my modern cards. Plucking yesterday's hot insert cards out of a dollar box, very satisfying.

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jonathan Taylor numbered to X. According to my son, it was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jonathan Taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jordan Taylor numbered to X. It was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jordan taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

Which is how kids collect. The thing that is new is the level of cost and sheer speed with which cards hit that level. I mean, spending 4-5-6 figures on a card of a rookie and holding it, there ought to be a picture of the 'investor' in the encyclopedia under the heading "dumbass".

[brianp-beme]

As a Prewar collector, I like to refer to the players I collect as being 'morbidly deceased'.


Brian (at least when I started collecting there were players from the PreWW2 era that were alive, so thankfully, and for sanity's sake, I can classify my collecting obsession as being healthy and not morbid)

[ahmanfan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jordan Taylor numbered to X. It was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jordan taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

The driver? Oh boy… niche as niche gets.


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[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jordan Taylor numbered to X. It was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jordan taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

Jonathan Taylor?

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

Jonathan Taylor?

Yup, and I am a Badger and should know that!! I will edit. Thanks

[gabrinus]

Ryan, as a Razorback we both have this in common...Jerry

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by gabrinus

Ryan, as a Razorback we both have this in common...Jerry

Woo Pig Soooiieee!!!

[Fred]

Sounds like back to the future for sports cards, instead of 1985 to 1955 (and back), it sounds like around 1993 to 2023 (and back). History repeating itself with new and flashy sucking wind.

I bet most of the vintage collectors on this board would say they saw this coming a mile away. It always boggled my mind that someone would pay $1M for a new 1 of 1 rather than spend that megabuck on vintage material that is what this hobby is about.

It sounds like a lot of quick buck artists are about to get pummeled pretty bad, really fast - aint gonna know what hit them.

What was selling strong at the National? Anything in particular?

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Fred

Sounds like back to the future for sports cards, instead of 1985 to 1955 (and back), it sounds like around 1993 to 2023 (and back). History repeating itself with new and flashy sucking wind.

I bet most of the vintage collectors on this board would say they saw this coming a mile away. It always boggled my mind that someone would pay $1M for a new 1 of 1 rather than spend that megabuck on vintage material that is what this hobby is about.

It sounds like a lot of quick buck artists are about to get pummeled pretty bad, really fast - aint gonna know what hit them.

What was selling strong at the National? Anything in particular?

Would agree with you Fred, I'm the furthest thing from a prognosticator, all I care about is building a collection the way I want it, the run up has gotten in my way a bit and changed the dynamic. We won't ever go back to old school collecting prices but one can hope every flipper loses money and goes away so we can get back to the business of collecting baseball cards for the sake of collecting baseball cards.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by gabrinus

Ryan, as a Razorback we both have this in common...Jerry

Jerry, I really liked him and was very bummed when he left- he is a Badger through and through. The rumor was he did not leave for football reasons.

[oldjudge]

Bret Bellyma, LOL. My younger son went to UW Madison. When did you graduate, Ryan?

[gabrinus]

Not to get too serious but I had high hopes for Bielema but he never seemed to figure out SEC football...wanting to play bully ball is all well and good but the SEC has 300 lb defensive lineman who can chase down a running back...his best year I thought was 2014 when he came within a hair of beating Bama and shut out LSU and Ole Miss when both were ranked in the top ten I believe...the most pissed I got at him when he was still drunk from the night before at the Toledo game in Little Rock and they ended up upsetting us...we regressed after that...I am far from a teetotaler but you have to have more respect for your job than that...sorry...ready for football season I guess...Jerry

[Rhotchkiss]

He certainly screwed up a great situation and a very promise if career. Take as old as time. Badgers have a new coach, and a ton of new players this year. I am hopeful

Jay, I graduated in 1996. When did your son graduate?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jordan Taylor numbered to X. It was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jordan taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

By not experiencing the early 1990's, he was condemned to learning an expensive lesson. Makes you wonder if he'll be relaying a similar story with his kid 30 years from now.