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Make it three of us!</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I feel like I have spent 20 years being gaslit on the PED controversy.  The general assumption by most folks arguing that PED users should be forever stained is that if the Mitchell report and/or media did not specifically call you out as a PED user, you are clean.  In both cases, the only PED users discovered typically fall into three categories: (1) the player was unpopular or not generous to the press; (2) the player refused to give into blackmail from trainers/others with knowledge of their use; and/or (3) players outed by others that were against the wall and had to give some names to reduce their own liability.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nTo suggest that most PED users have been exposed is like suggesting "most" tax evaders have been outed by the IRS and press.  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It all improves performance that\'s why people take it.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Okay, I\'ll take the bait. There are significant differences between yesteryear\'s greenies, and today\'s performance enhancers. For brevity\'s sake, I\'ll highlight the two main ones. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nFirst, greenies were  legal. They were methamphetamines, which were readily available in stores and over-the-counter at the time. Methamphetamines were in diet pills, pills truck drivers took for energy, focus, and to stay awake, etc. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nMantle taking a greenie probably had the same effect as if he had drank a few cups of coffee before a game. Would you argue that gaining focus and energy through drinking 4 cups of coffee constitutes an unfair performance enhancer?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nConversely, non-medically prescribed steroids were and are illegal. 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There are significant differences between yesteryear\'s greenies, and today\'s performance enhancers. For brevity\'s sake, I\'ll highlight the two main ones. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nFirst, greenies were  legal. They were methamphetamines, which were readily available in stores and over-the-counter at the time. Methamphetamines were in diet pills, pills truck drivers took for energy, focus, and to stay awake, etc. <br />\r\n<br />\r\n<b>Mantle taking a greenie probably had the same effect as if he had drank a few cups of coffee before a game</b>. Would you argue that gaining focus and energy through drinking 4 cups of coffee constitutes an unfair performance enhancer?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nConversely, non-medically prescribed steroids were and are illegal. Thus, one (greenies - methamphetamine pills) were legal at the time the players used them, whereas the other (steroids) were not.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSecondly, the performance enhancement level is not even questionable. Mantle basically took energy pills that were essentially the equivalent of drinking a few cups of coffee, whereas Bonds took steroids that caused him to hit the ball harder and further. Heck, they even increased his shoe and head size. Comparing greenies and steroids is like comparing apples and oranges. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nFocus/energy v. brute strength.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Just to the bold part. That is so ridiculously unbelievable it is like saying heroin is the same as taking a couple aspirin for pain. 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People will generally lie, cheat, steal and do far worse if they believe the act is 1) to their gain and 2) they won\'t get caught.  However, that does not excuse any misdeed because people in another time would have probably also done it if that route was available.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThese arguments ignore that Pud Galvin and Babe Ruth gained nothing by weird experiments that were legal and not against the rules.  Mickey Mantle did not turn the game into a mockery video game by having a greenie that did not violate the rules.  The titanic gap between an energy stimulant and the result of steroids is incredibly obvious.  I am very sympathetic to the early steroiders who were not violating baseball\'s rules at the time of their use, but I do not see any logical or reasonable comparison between Galvin and Bonds.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWould many members heroes have probably done the same thing if they had been able to and had access?  Yeah, surely.  Did they?  No they didn\'t.  A person is responsible for their actual actions, that people are generally of poor moral character and would do the same things if they didn\'t expect to be caught is not a defense.  The steroid users are not special villains, but they are also the ones who actually did violate the rules and actually did turn the game into a video game joke.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I am pretty sure this is the first time I have ever seen someone say Ruth and Mantle did not put up video game numbers.<img src="forum/images/smilies/confused.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Confused" class="inlineimg" /><img src="forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /><img src="forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)" class="inlineimg" />\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2396813" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2396813 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2396813_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">bnorth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=307554">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=307554" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to bnorth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=307554" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by bnorth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2396813 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2396813 -' + '->';
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That is so ridiculously unbelievable it is like saying heroin is the same as taking a couple aspirin for pain. If you don\'t believe me try your silly 4 cups of coffee and then do a nice half gram line of meth and tell me how similar they are.<img src="forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)" class="inlineimg" /></div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Meth and amphetamines are different. <br />\r\nAdderall is d-amphetamine and l-amphetamine salts in the ratio of 3:1. <br />\r\nIt does nothing much to enhance performance of any kind.<br />\r\nAt the dose that works for me, it\'s literally green capsules. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nOn personal experience, 4 cups of coffee? No. * cups of coffee? 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It all improves performance that\'s why people take it.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I can say for sure that greenies don\'t improve performance much at all. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI was prescribed them for ADD, and one dosage was literally green capsules. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nIf a pro player was having trouble concentrating, then yes it might help with that. I\'ve been to the batting cage both with and without and did not gain any advantage whatsoever. Neither in power, or quickness. <br />\r\n <br />\r\nThere is an element of things where natural adrenalin during stressful events can give a lot of improvement. But it\'s somewhat short lived. 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The <br />\r\n reality is that we have no idea if ole Pud decided that one dose of animal <br />\r\n testicular fluid was enough, and decided not to do so again. We also can<br />\r\n imagine that the shot of testicular fluid wasn\'t the reason he threw a good <br />\r\n game the very next day(!), and we know for sure no one can prove it. In<br />\r\n 2023, however, the science has very much evolved and we do indeed know<br />\r\n the tangible benefits of PED use. We also know that a number of modern<br />\r\n players engaged in elaborate efforts to use PEDs and to mask their<br />\r\n usage, sometimes in pursuit of treasured MLB records. We can also see the<br />\r\n physical results of these abuses- all we need do is look at the before/after<br />\r\n photos of Sosa, Bonds, etc... I am thinking of a guy who kipes his <br />\r\n neighbor\'s newspaper off the lawn (when there were papers), versus the guy <br />\r\n who mugs the delivery person after the round and takes all their profit. <br />\r\n Sure, both people did something wrong, but one guy went way off the <br />\r\n reservation- they are NOT the same thing, and equating them is unwise.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n  My response is lengthy already, so I\'ll remark that recent cunning and <br />\r\n planning involved is exponentially greater than that of someone like Galvin, <br />\r\n and was deliberately undertaken with prior knowledge of likely benefits. <br />\r\n These abuses definitely constitute an "era" of the game\'s existence. <br />\r\n I\'ll note that the folks who are indignant about this topic often come from <br />\r\n the "everybody does it" crowd. JustinD above tells us he doesn\'t care, while <br />\r\n using words like "self-righteous" and phrases about "tarnish(ing) the silver <br />\r\n claret". Seems he very, very much cares...<br />\r\n<br />\r\n  I\'ll conclude by saying I don\'t "refuse to believe" my favorite players use <br />\r\n PEDs. I\'m a big Roberto fan, also Rod Carew, Koufax, Gibson- I feel pretty<br />\r\n confident they were who we thought they were.  I like Hank Aaron too, and <br />\r\n no one can possibly prove his "greenie" use- such as it was- produced <br />\r\n tangible statistical results. I don\'t think these players were "perfect" either, <br />\r\n and can\'t recall claiming any of them were. 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And that the Mays/Aaron generation probably got less mileage out of whatever they were taking.  My point, though, is that since they all (I believe) knowingly took advantage of whatever edge they could get, it\'s inappropriate to vilify Bonds, Clemens etc. while giving a pass to Mays, Aaron, etc. from a character perspective.  The fact that the drugs in the 60s and 70s were less effective doesn\'t make that generation more heroic.  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There are zero mentions of it in Pittsburgh at any point before someone dug up the footnote, though there are jokes about it during that era, just like there are fountain of youth jokes when an old player did well. There were no experiments in Pittsburgh on that date. It was basically huge news everywhere at the same time that he had a great game, so I think it was a comical connection. When there were experiments done, they named the people in it and shared the results. August 13th for instance was done in Philadelphia, where they were also at the previous day.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThat being said, I wouldn\'t be surprised if players tried it because they had no trouble finding people (healthy and not healthy) who were willing to try it. Many people reported negative side effects the next day. I wouldn\'t consider it to be anything different than trying a new aspirin back then that was said to cure headaches. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt\'s not comparable to players in the 60s doing pills or PED players, and definitely not comparable to players who failed after testing was put in. Those to me are the worst. There was nothing keeping your favorite player from the 60s from trying anything to help them.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhat\'s more interesting about Galvin is the fact that he\'s known now still by the "Pud" nickname, which was almost never used in print before he was elected to the Hall of Fame and a bio was shared in all of the papers that used that nickname. Most people like the nickname for the obvious wrong pronunciation (it rhymes with Good not Dud), so of course it has stuck. It shouldn\'t be anything more than a footnote to his life, definitely not how he is known now. 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There are zero mentions of it in Pittsburgh at any point before someone dug up the footnote, though there are jokes about it during that era, just like there are fountain of youth jokes when an old player did well. There were no experiments in Pittsburgh on that date. It was basically huge news everywhere at the same time that he had a great game, so I think it was a comical connection. When there were experiments done, they named the people in it and shared the results. August 13th for instance was done in Philadelphia, where they were also at the previous day.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Galvin openly admitted he used Brown-Séquard elixir. It most likely had zero effect even though his win the next day was hailed as proof of how amazing it was by the Washington Post. If it worked though is not really important, a failed bank robbery is still a bank robbery. So he is the first admitted PED user in baseball. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThere is much written about Brown-Séquard in the National Library of Medicine and other documents. 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Most people like the nickname for the obvious wrong pronunciation (it rhymes with Good not Dud), so of course it has stuck. It shouldn\'t be anything more than a footnote to his life, definitely not how he is known now. He would likely be shocked it\'s how he is known now if you could give him an elixir of life for a day.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Learned something new.  Thank you for this tidbit.  Not how I’ve been pronouncing Pud in my head all these years.  Similar to Kiki Cuyler, where it rhymes with bye-bye, not tee hee.  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JustinD above tells us he doesn\'t care, while <br />\r\n using words like "self-righteous" and phrases about "tarnish(ing) the silver <br />\r\n claret". Seems he very, very much cares...<br /></div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I never said I agreed with the premise of cheating, I disagree with the idea of an "era". The East German Olympic Teams of the 60\'s and 70\'s more than proved that those drugs were more than placebos. The German\'s had a full program in place. I disagree with ignoring all other issues for a focus only on one era when innumerable players who took shortcuts are idolized. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe agreements about mass are silly as steroids were more likely used for their true use much like Armstrong did in his career. Without weight training, there is no gains in mass. What the key use of steroids and HGH is concerns healing factor and speed of that. You can gain mass due to pushing your body to the limit and the healing of those muscles without the natural time for rest. If your naturally overwork muscles without the healing time, they will actually shrink in mass with the tightening of the fibers. The healing factor is precisely why pitchers and others are caught post-injury using these to heal, not grow mass. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nIf the training was not involved as much like Sparky Anderson would discourage and get upset with over muscled players as the leading belief was it would slow them down. Players would have been using it for recovery factor. Comparing size of players, is not a valid argument.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs for Greenies being less so important, many players have written and discussed how amphetamines would slow the game. Making hitting the ball an easier task. When the comparison was made that Focus/energy v. brute strength is somehow a defense of greenies is somewhat odd. 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I am sure it was happenstance as it happens all the time.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>We don\'t think this has to do with a ballpark built for Aaron to hit as many homers as possible? <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe source for Aaron\'s greenies is his own autobiography where he said he tried them once in 1968, felt like it was going to give him a heart attack, and it was "a stupid thing to do."  The book was published long before the steroid scandal and anyone cared.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nDoes anyone have 1) evidence greenies produce more home runs and, 2) that Aaron was a consistent and regular user of them during his Atlanta years?  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The book was published long before the steroid scandal and anyone cared.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nDoes anyone have 1) evidence greenies produce more home runs and, 2) that Aaron was a consistent and regular user of them during his Atlanta years?  I\'d love to see this evidence used to make the claims, as I\'m not familiar with it.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div><a href="https://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/hammerin_hank_a.html" target="_blank">https://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_na...in_hank_a.html</a>\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2396828" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2396828 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2396828_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2396828 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2396828 -' + '->';
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The park was the same the other years they played in Atlanta.  Who knows.  Tom House, maybe.<br />\n<br />\n<a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/does-this-prove-that-hank-aaron-was-juicing/" target="_blank">https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news...n-was-juicing/</a>\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- edit note -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n				<em>\r\n					\r\n						Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 12-13-2023 at <span class="time">02:27 PM</span>.\r\n					\r\n					\r\n				</em>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / edit note -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2396830" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2396830 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2396830_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2396830 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2396830 -' + '->';
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There is not a single shred of evidence provided at all, purely speculation.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Yes, not suggesting it proves anything, all these retrospective statistical analyses are by definition speculation, but it\'s interesting.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2396838" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2396838 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2396838_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2396838 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2396838 -' + '->';
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Nothing has changed, he is a BAD choice by<br />\r\n anyone who carries a torch for modern day players who clearly abused...<br />\r\n<br />\r\n Aaron was a model of consistency throughout his career of 22 full seasons.<br />\r\n He averaged 34ish HR and 104ish RBI per season and was steady in batting<br />\r\n average. It wasn\'t until his last 3 seasons (74,75, partial 76) that we see a<br />\r\n clear decline in production consistent with ageing. I cannot overstate<br />\r\n that anyone who uses Aaron as an example of "you can\'t tell me<br />\r\n HIS production wasn\'t buoyed by PEDs" is barking up the wrong tree. There <br />\r\n is zero basis for such a claim, it is utter fantasy.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n My guess is you either grew up watching the true PED wonks crush the ball <br />\r\n all over the place, either admiring them or enjoying the spectacle, and were<br />\r\n possibly a fan of their team. Years later, you learned it was a sham. That\'s<br />\r\n a bummer, you feel cheated- it was a waste of rooting time. Sadly, all of<br />\r\n that is true. The answer, however, isn\'t to slash and burn anyone who came<br />\r\n before in an effort to exonerate "your" player or fandom. If you- or someone <br />\r\n with similar feelings- simply assume "everybody was doing it", why even <br />\r\n bother to collect, or enjoy the sport? The entire line of thought seems <br />\r\n destructive and, unless someone conducts the most successful seance in the <br />\r\n history of the field and compels these players to "confess from beyond the <br />\r\n grave", is little more than impotent speculation. 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Even Babe Ruth tried to inject himself with extract from sheep testicles in 1925. This act only made him ill and forced him to miss some playing time. So cheaters have gotten more sophisticated and better at it over time.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSteroids found there way into baseball in the 1970s. Tom House, a former pitcher for a few teams, was the first player to openly acknowledge that there were 6 or 7 players per team experimenting with steroids and human-growth hormone. Steroids then took a backseat during the 1980s when amphetamines became the drug of choice. Players from Mike Schmidt to journeyman Dale Berra, were using amphetamines.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nMLB practically sanctioned the use of steroids with their lack of any testing/enforcement. In 1990, Congress cracked down on anabolic steroids with the Anabolic Steroids Control Act, which effectively made them an illegal drug. 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It is cheating to throw it in 1995, because the rules changed.  Being in violation of the rules seems to be a prerequisite to cheating.  <br />\n<br />\nWhat am I missing here?</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Do people really object to the cheating, or is the performance enhancing?  Nobody is bitching about Gaylord being in the Hall, or Whitey Ford who scuffed baseballs constantly, and so on and so on.  And greenies, even if not prohibited by baseball rules, were prescription drugs and surely these guys did not have prescriptions, so taking them was illegal.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- edit note -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n				<em>\r\n					\r\n						Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 12-13-2023 at <span class="time">03:33 PM</span>.\r\n					\r\n					\r\n				</em>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / edit note -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2396851" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2396851 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2396851_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2396851 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2396851 -' + '->';
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Nobody is bitching about Gaylord being in the Hall, or Whitey Ford who scuffed baseballs constantly, and so on and so on.  And greenies, even if not prohibited by baseball rules, were prescription drugs and surely these guys did not have prescriptions, so taking them was illegal.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>It\'s neither.  Galvin possibly taking some miracle BS is factually not cheating as there was no rule against this and is also factually not performance enhancing; it\'s an illogical narrative that just suits what people want to find and has been latched onto the last decade because of this.  There\'s nothing to object to if either of those options were the cause of the objection.  Both claims are demonstrably false.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nPersonally I would draw a consistent line at actual cheating, i.e. breaking the actual rules of baseball, requiring specific evidence.  Galvin, Ruth, and the fabrication about Aaron did not break the rules.  Neither did McGwire\'s andro at the time he used it.  This just seems like the basic common sense, and thus unpopular as it doesn\'t suit either narrative (as it does not punish the old timers that factually did not cheat but also excuses some of the steroid generation that also did not violate the rules), line.  For the cheating to result in severe punishment like a ban or keeping out of the Hall, the cheating should be severe and endemic.  I would thus not ban Whitey Ford from the hall for his late career spitters, but if caught he should have been suspended and slapped for it.  Gaylord and those around him have made such disparate claims at different times about how much he actually cheated vs. created a mystique is something I\'m not versed enough in to judge right now.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2396861" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2396861 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2396861_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">G1911</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=617532">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=617532" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to G1911</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=617532" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by G1911</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2396861 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2396861 -' + '->';
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It is cheating to throw it in 1995, because the rules changed.  Being in violation of the rules seems to be a prerequisite to cheating.  <br />\n<br />\nWhat am I missing here?</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Point taken.  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Nothing has changed, he is a BAD choice by<br />\r\n anyone who carries a torch for modern day players who clearly abused...<br />\r\n<br />\r\n Aaron was a model of consistency throughout his career of 22 full seasons.<br />\r\n He averaged 34ish HR and 104ish RBI per season and was steady in batting<br />\r\n average. It wasn\'t until his last 3 seasons (74,75, partial 76) that we see a<br />\r\n clear decline in production consistent with ageing. I cannot overstate<br />\r\n that anyone who uses Aaron as an example of "you can\'t tell me<br />\r\n HIS production wasn\'t buoyed by PEDs" is barking up the wrong tree. There <br />\r\n is zero basis for such a claim, it is utter fantasy.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n My guess is you either grew up watching the true PED wonks crush the ball <br />\r\n all over the place, either admiring them or enjoying the spectacle, and were<br />\r\n possibly a fan of their team. Years later, you learned it was a sham. That\'s<br />\r\n a bummer, you feel cheated- it was a waste of rooting time. Sadly, all of<br />\r\n that is true. The answer, however, isn\'t to slash and burn anyone who came<br />\r\n before in an effort to exonerate "your" player or fandom. If you- or someone <br />\r\n with similar feelings- simply assume "everybody was doing it", why even <br />\r\n bother to collect, or enjoy the sport? The entire line of thought seems <br />\r\n destructive and, unless someone conducts the most successful seance in the <br />\r\n history of the field and compels these players to "confess from beyond the <br />\r\n grave", is little more than impotent speculation. Pud Galvin and (insert PED<br />\r\n abuser here) didn\'t do similar things and surely didn\'t enjoy similar results.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n Trent King</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I am NOT accusing him, but people who question him use that very consistency as the basis for their argument -' + '- he should have had an earlier, age-related dropoff than he did.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2396853" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2396853 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2396853_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2396853 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2396853 -' + '->';
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Years later, you learned it was a sham. That\'s<br />\r\n a bummer, you feel cheated- it was a waste of rooting time. Sadly, all of<br />\r\n that is true. The answer, however, isn\'t to slash and burn anyone who came<br />\r\n before in an effort to exonerate "your" player or fandom. If you- or someone <br />\r\n with similar feelings- simply assume "everybody was doing it", why even <br />\r\n bother to collect, or enjoy the sport? The entire line of thought seems <br />\r\n destructive and, unless someone conducts the most successful seance in the <br />\r\n history of the field and compels these players to "confess from beyond the <br />\r\n grave", is little more than impotent speculation. Pud Galvin and (insert PED<br />\r\n abuser here) didn\'t do similar things and surely didn\'t enjoy similar results.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n Trent King</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I think you are insinuating a bit much. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAt my age, my heroes are late 70\'s and 80\'s. As steroids were officially banned in 91\', I could do the same and state they are all above it because it was legal under the rules. Thank you for making me 20 years younger though.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI also am not stating Aaron was a PED user, but again not vehemently not saying that. I admit I don\'t know. What I do know is that items were available, some players have stated that use was there in the 60\'s and 70\'s. So there is no specifics. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs I do not have the ability to somehow uncover information held secret by dead people, I cannot say yes or no. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe difference is you are speaking in your believed facts, I am comfortable in speaking in probabilities.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				- Justin D. <br />\r\n<br />\r\n                          <br />\r\nPlayer collecting - Lance Parrish, Jim Davenport, John Norlander.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSuccessful B/S/T with - Highstep74, Northviewcats, pencil1974, T2069bk, tjenkins, wilkiebaby11, baez578, Bocabirdman, maddux31, Leon, Just-Collect, bigfish, quinnsryche...and a whole bunch more, I stopped keeping track, lol.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2396856" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2396856 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2396856_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">JustinD</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=1086">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=1086" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to JustinD</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=1086" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by JustinD</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2396856 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2396856 -' + '->';
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My family immigrated over from Ireland in 1904 and I had a few great great uncles already residing in the Kerry patch well before that.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSo who knows!<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe man had a poor legacy outside of his baseball prowess, that is shadowed by PED use. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nStill proud to be a Galvin though! 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pd[2396900] = '<!-' + '- post #2396900 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2396900" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2396900" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2396900&amp;postcount=33" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2396900" name="33"><strong>33</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2396900"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				12-13-2023, 06:20 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			<td class="alt2"><a href="member.php?u=43"><img src="image.php?u=43&amp;dateline=1695831996"   alt="Peter_Spaeth\'s Avatar" border="0" /></a></td>\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2396900">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=43">Peter_Spaeth</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Peter_Spaeth is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2396900", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nPeter Spaeth\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				Member\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Apr 2009</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 34,223\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2396900">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2396900">\r\n			\r\n			<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>piecesofthegame</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2396879#post2396879" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">Glad this thread generated some actual discussion other than &#8220;how much more will all my cards be worth in 2024.&#8221;<br />\n<br />\nI actually posted the article half jokingly. The guy was just trying the latest craze. There were so many products back then claiming to be the elixir of life, and especially in an era where you didn&#8217;t have to prove any claims whatsoever, there were surely suckers born every minute buying into the claims. <br />\n<br />\nUltimately I&#8217;d agree with those who basically stated the simple premise:<br />\nIf the rules state one thing and you do another , it&#8217;s breaking the rules and therefore cheating. If it&#8217;s not in the rules, knock yourself out. And thus, the great testicular fluid experiment. &#55357;&#56898;</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>There continue to be many such products and services with essentially no science backing them and based entirely on anecdotal testimonials or outright deception.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- edit note -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n				<em>\r\n					\r\n						Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 12-13-2023 at <span class="time">06:21 PM</span>.\r\n					\r\n					\r\n				</em>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / edit note -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2396900" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2396900 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2396900_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2396900 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2396900 -' + '->';
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The book was published long before the steroid scandal and anyone cared.<br />\n<br />\nDoes anyone have 1) evidence greenies produce more home runs and, 2) that Aaron was a consistent and regular user of them during his Atlanta years?  I\'d love to see this evidence used to make the claims, as I\'m not familiar with it.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>There is no way to have evidence. <br />\n<br />\nAs far as the mostly BS confessions PED users make for their use, they are hilariously fantasy land. As an example older bodybuilders like Arnold have pretty much all admitted to their PED use. They all also admit to a dose that is so small it is literally the same as a current TRT dose. 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As an example older bodybuilders like Arnold have pretty much all admitted to their PED use. They all also admit to a dose that is so small it is literally the same as a current TRT dose. It\'s like asking the drunk driver how many drinks he has had and expecting a honest answer.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>The first statement is untrue.  It is, very very obviously, possible to have evidence. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nPeople lie.  That does not mean any statement you don\'t like is a lie.  A rational person would use evidence.  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The book was published long before the steroid scandal and anyone cared.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nDoes anyone have 1) evidence greenies produce more home runs and, 2) that Aaron was a consistent and regular user of them during his Atlanta years?  I\'d love to see this evidence used to make the claims, as I\'m not familiar with it.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>If you have some time, I would read "Your Brain on Cubs: Inside the Heads of Players and Fans". It has some great discussions relating baseball to neurology. It uses Cubs fans as a discussion point of fandom. They have some interesting information as to these substances and baseball. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nOn Greenies - "Amphetamines produce little or no enhancement in reaction time but significantly reduce the effect of fatigue on a person’s ability to track a moving object such as a ball. 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It has some great discussions relating baseball to neurology. It uses Cubs fans as a discussion point of fandom. They have some interesting information as to these substances and baseball. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nOn Greenies - "Amphetamines produce little or no enhancement in reaction time but significantly reduce the effect of fatigue on a person’s ability to track a moving object such as a ball. Dextroamphetamine, an amphetamine variant this is popular as a recreational drug, improves decision-making and reduces impulsivity in healthy human beings, which would be an effective enhancement for batters that tended to swing at balls outside of the strike zone.” <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis was the how and why so many used them to slow the game. My personal favorite description of greenies was used by Doc Ellis, an avid user of just about everything, in "No No, A Dockumentary". If you have not seen it yet, I would reccomend. It is fantastic.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I\'d not be surprised if there was some small positive impact on home run totals; energy stimulants may well produce a gain here.  I\'ve never seen any evidence at all or any real attempt at a statistical analysis, merely quoted opinions like this.  But it would not be surprising.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe unanswered second question, logically necessary to make Aaron guilty of anything, is of course impossible to answer as there is no evidence whatsoever beyond the fact that some people want him to be guilty so that it can justify the desired perspective that the big stars of all eras are guilty.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThere\'s another big difference between the previous past eras and the steroid era.  Even simply ignoring the falsehood that any attempt to gain performance is the same whether or not it violates the rules and whether or not it works - is that one of them works on a logical and evidentiary basis and the other is not evidentiary.  We have mountains of evidence against Bonds, and pure speculation that simply suits some folks narratives on Aaron.  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If we\'re being honest, doping of any kind has been going on since the sport began. Whether it was players like Galvin or Ruth getting injected with animal testosterone, Mantle paying money to visit "Dr. Feelgood" to inject him with something that led to an infection later on, or the copious amount of players that popped Greenies liked candy in order to be on high alert and ready to hit/pitch anything. Doping in our sport has been around for a long time. It\'s only been recent, when the players from the steroid era truly became stigmatized for doing something.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Could not be summed up better. <img src="forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />\n<br />\nIt\'s a fact of life that people in all sports push to be the best in their game. Galvin was very open about his experiences and ideas. 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			I'm slow and dumb, but I still don't understand how something is cheating if the action committed was not against the rules at the time the action was done.<br />
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It's not cheating to throw a spitball in 1905.  It is cheating to throw it in 1995, because the rules changed.  Being in violation of the rules seems to be a prerequisite to cheating.  <br />
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		<span class="smallfont"> <a href="showthread.php?t=272325" title="Extremely scarce Yum Yum Pud Galvin SGC 20 for sale. $6500, paypal f/f.  
 
Card is very clean, looks vg/ex but downgraded due to a small ink mark. 
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		<span class="smallfont"> <a href="showthread.php?t=112608" title="A fun story in this morning's Washington Post--Pud as baseball's first &quot;juicer&quot;? 
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		<span class="smallfont"> <a href="showthread.php?t=68309" title="Posted By: &lt;b&gt;Frank Evanov&lt;/b&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone have an OJ Pud Galvin available in PSA or SGC 2-3?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Frank">WTB  OJ  Pud Galvin</a></span>
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		<span class="smallfont"> <a href="showthread.php?t=75204" title="Posted By: &lt;b&gt;Jay Miller&lt;/b&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dan--I don't know if you were bidding on those two cards tonight for the Galvin or the Keefe. I wanted the Keefe and...">Galvin Old Judge</a></span>
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