Uncut Proof sheet c. 1913 with Cobb and Joe Jackson in May '24 Hunt Auctions

[packs]

I would just hesitate to call them baseball cards. How do you know they're cards? I know they have printer's mark for cutting but cutting something up doesn't make it a baseball card by virtue of the square having a picture of a baseball player on it.

I think the intention can't really be determined from this one sheet. They could be part of an advertising piece, a calendar, any kind of print media really. All we know for sure is that the images may have been meant to be cut out. But for what ultimate purpose is impossible to know.

For example, how do you know these weren't images intended to be arranged for a notebook cover? There's just as much precedent for that as there is for baseball cards.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by packs

I would just hesitate to call them baseball cards. How do you know they're cards? I know they have printer's mark for cutting but cutting something up doesn't make it a baseball card by virtue of the square having a picture of a baseball player on it.

I think the intention can't really be determined from this one sheet. They could be part of an advertising piece, a calendar, any kind of print media really. All we know for sure is that the images may have been meant to be cut out. But for what ultimate purpose is impossible to know.

For example, how do you know these weren't images intended to be arranged for a notebook cover? There's just as much precedent for that as there is for baseball cards.

Good point. I think calling them an uncut sheet of cards makes it seem more valuable than the alternatives, like an uncut notebook cover sheet. But yeah, just because they resemble cards, does not mean that there supposed to be cards (assuming they are authentic in the first place).

[D. Bergin]

Hmmmm....


Roy Otis / Doc Crandall





"Roy" Hobbs




"Doc" Graham




Sid Finch
















That's my theory, and I'm stickin' to it!

[brianp-beme]

Dangit, I missed the Otis Crandall attribution in the lot description...4 lashes with a wet noodle for me!

Here is Doc (why in the fadoodle is he identified as Roy?) as compared to Roy Otis on the proof sheet. He was with the New York Giants during this time frame, the NY team emblem on his sleeve also seems to match the Giants emblem from that time, and more importantly, his eyebrows swoop in a very similar fashion.

Brian

[Snapolit1]

One picture looks like a Hollywood leading man. The others looks like the inspiration for the Stay Puff Marsh mellow man.



QUOTE=brianp-beme;2431064]Dangit, I missed the Otis Crandall attribution in the lot description...4 lashes with a wet noodle for me!

Here is Doc (why in the fadoodle is he identified as Roy?) as compared to Roy Otis on the proof sheet. He was with the New York Giants during this time frame, the NY team emblem on his sleeve also seems to match the Giants emblem from that time, and more importantly, his eyebrows swoop in a very similar fashion.

Brian[/QUOTE]

[boneheadandrube]

"Roy Otis" could make a good vintage baseball meme/inside joke here.

[jingram058]

I made this statement in 2 other threads. I'll stop now.

The knowledge you guys have with respect to cards is insane. I have seen and read all of your complaints about the grading companies. Most would seem to be legitimate complaints.

Thus I asked: why doesn't someone on this forum buy some slabs and flips, and starting grading cards right here?

Any of the legalese can be answered by the attorneys who regularly post in these threads.

I was then informed that someone once did that very thing; someone named Bob who is no longer with us (RIP).

I highly doubt that any fakery would get past the knowledge base of this forum. Likewise, I believe cards would receive an honest grade, good or bad.