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I always thought it was some other issue with a vintage from the 50\'s or so.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- attachments -' + '->\r\n			<div style="padding:6px">\r\n\r\n			\r\n\r\n			\r\n\r\n			\r\n				<fieldset class="fieldset">\r\n					<legend>Attached Images</legend>\r\n					<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="3" border="0">\r\n					<tr>\r\n	<td><img class="inlineimg" src="images/attach/jpg.gif" alt="File Type: jpg" width="16" height="16" border="0" style="vertical-align:baseline" /></td>\r\n	<td><a href="attachment.php?attachmentid=642027&amp;d=1732906118">Screen Shot 2024-11-29 at 12.47.48 PM.jpg</a> (160.6 KB, 804 views)</td>\r\n</tr><tr>\r\n	<td><img class="inlineimg" src="images/attach/jpg.gif" alt="File Type: jpg" width="16" height="16" border="0" style="vertical-align:baseline" /></td>\r\n	<td><a href="attachment.php?attachmentid=642028&amp;d=1732906126">Screen Shot 2024-11-29 at 12.48.15 PM.jpg</a> (94.9 KB, 775 views)</td>\r\n</tr><tr>\r\n	<td><img class="inlineimg" src="images/attach/jpg.gif" alt="File Type: jpg" width="16" height="16" border="0" style="vertical-align:baseline" /></td>\r\n	<td><a href="attachment.php?attachmentid=642029&amp;d=1732906134">Screen Shot 2024-11-29 at 12.48.26 PM.jpg</a> (58.2 KB, 754 views)</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n					</table>\r\n					</fieldset>\r\n			\r\n\r\n			\r\n\r\n			\r\n\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / attachments -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2477738" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2477738 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2477738_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">ullmandds</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=69">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=69" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to ullmandds</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=69" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by ullmandds</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2477738 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2477738 -' + '->';
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pd[2477775] = '<!-' + '- post #2477775 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2477775" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2477775" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2477775&amp;postcount=3" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2477775" name="3"><strong>3</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2477775"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				11-29-2024, 03:30 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2477775">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2477775", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2477775">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2477775">\r\n			\r\n			Here is what a copy or counterfeit card could and should look like in my opinion.  The thing about the 1980s Festburg find is no one calls them fakes or counterfeits, just re-prints of 24 Bond Bread cards. Poor quality card looks like, I didn\'t mean to say counterfeit. 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pd[2477777] = '<!-' + '- post #2477777 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2477777" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2477777" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2477777&amp;postcount=4" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2477777" name="4"><strong>4</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2477777"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				11-29-2024, 03:32 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2477777">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2477777", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2477777">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2477777">\r\n			\r\n			Look at the back, the front set off on the back, I would say just stay away from cards that look like this one, again this is just my opinion.John\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- edit note -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n				<em>\r\n					\r\n						Last edited by Johnphotoman; 11-29-2024 at <span class="time">03:54 PM</span>.\r\n					\r\n					\r\n				</em>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / edit note -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2477777" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2477777 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2477777_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Johnphotoman</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=790759">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=790759" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Johnphotoman</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=790759" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Johnphotoman</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2477777 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2477777 -' + '->';
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The thing about the 1980s Festburg find is no one calls them fakes or counterfeits, just re-prints of 24 Bond Bread cards. John</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I do not mean to call this card a fake / forgery, I was trying to show a poor  quality of a  printed card. I need to slow down and get everything right. Sorry for any misunderstanding. You can tell it is not a fake by the dot pattern, which I will go over in How baseball cards were printed, in report number 3. 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pd[2478788] = '<!-' + '- post #2478788 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2478788" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2478788" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2478788&amp;postcount=7" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2478788" name="7"><strong>7</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2478788"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				12-04-2024, 09:10 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2478788">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2478788", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2478788">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2478788">\r\n			\r\n			This is the copy of the card with set off on it. 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pd[2478815] = '<!-' + '- post #2478815 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2478815" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2478815" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2478815&amp;postcount=9" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2478815" name="9"><strong>9</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2478815"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				12-04-2024, 11:17 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2478815">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2478815", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2478815">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				<strong>Report number 3</strong>\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2478815">\r\n			\r\n			Report number 3 <br />\nHow baseball cards are printed;<br />\nThe technology used to mechanically print realistic pictures on baseball cards did not exist for the most part until around the mid  1800s. Before the mid 1800s most pictures printed resembled hand drawn sketches, not photos. The invention of the Lithograph half-tone printing process changed all that. This new process allowed for magazines, newspapers and trading cards to have photorealistic images. Like the Bond Bread cards. Baseball cards were printed using a halftone technique that creates a gradient effect  of ink by varying the size or spacing of dots: to trick the eye into seeing  different shades. <br />\n<br />\nThe screen printing (half-tones) process was a complicated process. This new halftone process used a special screen to translate a photographic image into a pattern of fine dots on the printing plate.  This fine dot pattern allowed for details that could not be achieved before. For a black and white picture, the dots are only black. For a color picture, the dots will be various colors, using - the four color printing process, cyan, magenta yellow and black. <br />\n<br />\nThe dots are only seen in the photo in black  white printing, the text is solid ink, unless it had a shade of gray. Before half-tone printing, baseball cards were made using antiquated methods. 1800s cards have actual photographs pasted to cardboard backing. Cards like  the Old Judges, Gypsy Queens, and others. Trading cards before the 1800s  were handmade lithographs.  By handmade I mean the designs were made directly onto the printing plate, a person would use special hand tools to put an image directly onto a printing plate.  When you look at these cards  they look a little like a color sketch or painting.<br />\n<br />\n While the photograph itself has been around since 1839, it took decades before printers could print realistic reproductions of photographs. A black and white halftone image consists of a single screen. However, in four color process printing, four different screens are used. I will not get into all that, maybe some other time.<br />\n<br />\nThe reason it is important to know about half-tone printing, we can tell if it is an original card, or one copied from an already printed card. <br />\nThis is done by looking at the dot pattern on the printed cards. When you copy a printed card the dots make a special pattern called a &#8220;moire&#8221; which will distort the accurate rendering of images. Below are two overlaid halftone grids showing a moire. In the above thread # 77 I gave a sample of a baseball card with a moire pattern on it , (Ted Williams) picture. <br />\n<br />\nNow about the printing process and what - does it have to do with what I said about- &#8220;This could explain what looks to me some misunderstanding in the Ted Z thread.&#8221;  There are samples of the back of cards given, that have what looks like dirt or specks on the back of cards, these cards are given as proof that these cards were inserted into loaves of Bond Bread,  and because of how the backs look, saying it because of the bread why the cards look like they do. it also goes over the different stock, I will save that for later. No; this is just part of the printing process. It&#8217;s what in the trade is called set-off, or pick off. This happens for different reasons, the two main reasons are: the result of too much ink printed on the card, and the printing stack of printed cards were handled too soon, before the cards were totally dry.<br />\n<br />\nThe Aaron Robinson cards shown above, thread# 76, I gave an example of an extreme case of set-off. You can see the pick off on the front of the card. <br />\n<br />\nThe pictures below show a mild case of set-off; they are also the pictures used to show what the back of the cards look like that were supposedly inserted into Bond Bread. 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Because we could tell them apart from other cards printed in 1947. But the truth I am not sure we can tell what is an original Bond Bread card, or a Sport Star card might be right now. More investigation is needed, looking at the backs is not the answer, paper stock is not the answer,  quality of printing is not the answer. I believe the best is to look at the die cut cards and the round corner cards. But this is still up in the air. Maybe we should have a joint category Bond Bread and Sport Star cards. Wait is that what the standard catalog of vintage baseball cards does- with the designation of W571 cards? I will keep on Investigating, asking all who have an opinion or evidence to chime in. As I have said we need a bigger population to work from. 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Just look at what is posted on the Ted Z thread. It looks like some people just posted what they believe. Sadly many people were considered experts - who had first-hand knowledge. One problem I see in that thread, it looks as if you did not agree with the premise of the thread&#8230;you did not know what you were talking about and your opinion was wrong. <br />\n<br />\nThere was no way anybody could come to an agreement. Too many times people held this belief - it is my way or the highway. There is still very good information in that thread. What I want to do is compile the evidence we already have too new evidence and see if we can come up with a conclusion, at best one most of us when given the facts can accept.<br />\n<br />\nWe cannot ignore the fact that we have people who have first-hand knowledge who have collected Bond Bread cards and Sports Star cards first-hand. The problem is their information does not match. 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Bond Bread didn\'t make any of these cards, Aarco did. Bond Bread licensed them from Aarco, as is apparent from the many cards, picture packs and photos made from the same images.  <br />\n<br />\nHypothesis #1: Bond Bread <i>commissioned</i> the 13 card set with back printing because they show up nowhere else in the same format.<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/toptenitems/websize/1947%20Bond%20Bread%20Robinson%20portrait.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nWe know for sure (thanks to some great research out there) that these were issued starting in 1947 with the card shown above first.  <br />\n<br />\nWe know for sure that the 44 card rounded corners set was issued in Bond Bread packages.<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/CSG%20Bond%20Robinson%201.jpeg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nHypothesis #2: the set of 44 was NOT commissioned by Bond Bread but was licensed to Bond Bread by Aarco.  I base this hypothesis on the existence of so many other issues using the same artwork.  <br />\n<br />\nWe know for sure that the rectangular cards were issued in boxed sets sometime around 1947-1949.  <br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/Autograph%20Feller%201947%20Homogenized%20Bond.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\n[autograph not original, but try finding a Feller card w/o an autograph]<br />\n<br />\nWe know that the artwork was licensed to Elgee to make the perforated two-sided cards:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1947%20Bond%20Bread%20Perforated%20Robinson-Cagney.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nWe also know for sure that the rounded corner cards were obtained and used by other companies for promotions:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/joelouis/websize/1949%20Pages%20cards%203.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/joelouis/websize/1949%20Pages%20cards%204.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nThen there are the \'exhibit\' cards:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/1947%20Bond%20Bread%20exhibit%20Musial.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nThe glossy photos:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/img172.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nThe photo pack premiums printed on paper:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpremiums/websize/Picture%20Pack%20Feller.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nAll of which support my hypothesis.  Aarco tried to milk its work in a variety of products and deals.  <br />\n<br />\nThe classification and nomenclature of these various issues was erroneously decided on decades ago by Burdick and the publishers of the early guides based on flawed and incomplete information.  Modern research and communication tools have clarified things.  <br />\n<br />\nNow, the Festberg cards.  I believe that Ted did a disservice to the <i>catalog raisonne</i> of the hobby by calling the cards Festberg found "impostors".  Yes, they are not "Bond Bread" cards.  What they appear to be is either new old stock from an Aarco run that wasn\'t used or rejects from an Aarco print run.  The idea of a counterfeit makes little sense, both practically and physically. Practically speaking, at a time when the originals weren\'t worth much, why even bother reprinting the commons?  If you were going to reprint, wouldn\'t you stick to Robinson, Musial, etc.?  And if you did reprint, why not do DiMaggio?  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But how was this done? Only a small number of original photographs were used to print the Bond Bread cards. To produce the card they would use Photosats of the original photo. Why is this important to our investigation?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt all has to do with people calling many of the cards fake. Like the 1947 Square Bond Bread / Sports Star cards. Since they were a small number of the original photo, someone printing fake cards like these would not be able to produce the cards we have today, unless they had the original photo to do so.  The only other way to print the cards would be a copy of a baseball card. Well not the only other way, but the others do not apply to this discussion, like photo-copies. And we know  by using a printed baseball card, that would produce a moire pattern on it. No printer would be able to stop the patter of the moire, they could do a good job of hiding it, to make it look as good as possible, but not as good as the original. This can be done by changing the angle of the screen. But a moire would still be visible.  With some practice even the less experienced person could still tell. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore we can rule out the Festberg cards, the square corner cards as being forgeries or fakes. Mind you I am not saying these cards do not have forgeries, I have seen some myself. Even the grading companies miss this, I have seen cards that were graded and certified, that are obvious fakes, by some of the top grading companies. These same grading companies will not grade square corner cards anymore. What a joke.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n What I am pointing out is to stop putting an umbrella over cards (calling them fakes) just because they do not fit into some category…like they have to be round cornered or printed on a certain kind of  paper stock;  just because someone says it was the only paper stock used for printing  cards in the 1940s - 1950s. Or it is the paper used to print Bond Bread cards.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nYou want a fun exercise, take the time and go back to Ted Z thread, you will see a lot of fake cards posted as the real deal. But they are obviously fake cards. Comb the thread, you will be surprised  as to how many fake cards you can spot now.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis one takes the cake for me, oh they are not fakes, but someone found the original printing plates and used them many years later to print cards. For a printer to have the original photo/ photosats or plates… many years later and use them to print from- is a million to one in my opinion. Having the exact same photo is  just about out of the question, I can tell you from experience it  would be very hard to save printing plates for over 20 years, so they can be used again.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhen I said a million to one, the movie Dumb and Dumber came to mind. There was this line in the movie that went something like this: This guy asked a girl what\'s the chance of you and I getting together,  she responded a million to one.  What did he reply; oh so you\'re saying I still have a chance. Now of course that was not the exact line, I was paraphrasing. I hope you get my point. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nLayout of the cards to be printed was done in a certain way, most of the time the cards would be laid out in a way to show cut marks on the layout, where the cards were to be cut, if the person cutting the cards missed the cut marks, you would then have the potential for different size cards and the images on the cards would appear to be in different position. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe layout and cutting of the cards explains why the exact same card can have the image on the card printed in what looks like a different position on the card. In other words, the image is not in the exact same position on the cards because they were cut wrong.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore, for one to say a card is fake is all wrong, just because a card  has a different position on a card, or a little smaller / bigger  does not make it a fake, or that it was printed at some other time. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs far as the print quality goes you can not distinguish one card from another, or say it shows that a card was printed at another time. Just because one card is darker, lighter, faded or  has more contrast, or spots on the cards. The printing process can count for such things during a run. The only quality we can look at…is to see if it is printed with a  moire. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nImages of cards cut wrong, card 1 top side, card 2 left side, card 3 right side of card. 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Although overall it\'s pretty good. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nMy comments in red<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>Johnphotoman</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2479010#post2479010" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">The printer had to have an original photo to print the Bond Bread cards. But how was this done? Only a small number of original photographs were used to print the Bond Bread cards. To produce the card they would use Photosats of the original photo. Why is this important to our investigation?<br />\r\n<font color="Red">I can\'t imagine the shop I worked for working off a photostat/photocopy as the original The quality of photostats even in 1980 was way too low. <br />\r\n</font><br />\r\nIt all has to do with people calling many of the cards fake. Like the 1947 Square Bond Bread / Sports Star cards. Since they were a small number of the original photo, someone printing fake cards like these would not be able to produce the cards we have today, unless they had the original photo to do so.  The only other way to print the cards would be a copy of a baseball card. Well not the only other way, but the others do not apply to this discussion, like photo-copies. And we know  by using a printed baseball card, that would produce a moire pattern on it. No printer would be able to stop the patter of the moire, they could do a good job of hiding it, to make it look as good as possible, but not as good as the original. This can be done by changing the angle of the screen. But a moire would still be visible.  With some practice even the less experienced person could still tell.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<font color="Red">I believe it would be possible on cards like these to make a mask from a contact print of the original card which was already screened. It would be hard to get a good negative that lost as little quality as possible but a good photo person could do it. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThat assumes offset lithography, which was probably used. Other processes probably wouldn\'t work well for playing cards, and Aarco wouldn\'t be likely to invest in an entirely different process just for what was a new product. </font><br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore we can rule out the Festberg cards, the square corner cards as being forgeries or fakes. Mind you I am not saying these cards do not have forgeries, I have seen some myself. Even the grading companies miss this, I have seen cards that were graded and certified, that are obvious fakes, by some of the top grading companies. These same grading companies will not grade square corner cards anymore. What a joke.<br />\r\n<font color="Red">I agree about the square corner cards. Most likely they just weren\'t put through the round cornering machine. (I ran one that dated back to the early 1900s at the shop) </font><br />\r\n<br />\r\n What I am pointing out is to stop putting an umbrella over cards (calling them fakes) just because they do not fit into some category…like they have to be round cornered or printed on a certain kind of  paper stock;  just because someone says it was the only paper stock used for printing  cards in the 1940s - 1950s. Or it is the paper used to print Bond Bread cards.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nYou want a fun exercise, take the time and go back to Ted Z thread, you will see a lot of fake cards posted as the real deal. But they are obviously fake cards. Comb the thread, you will be surprised  as to how many fake cards you can spot now.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis one takes the cake for me, oh they are not fakes, but someone found the original printing plates and used them many years later to print cards. For a printer to have the original photo/ photosats or plates… many years later and use them to print from- is a million to one in my opinion. Having the exact same photo is  just about out of the question, I can tell you from experience it  would be very hard to save printing plates for over 20 years, so they can be used again.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nY<font color="Red">es, saving the on press plates for 20+ years didn\'t happen. They get a bit messed up. <br />\r\nBUT<br />\r\nAgain, that assumes offset lithography. <br />\r\nI have plates used to print sports postcards, and could probably still get a print from them but they\'re from an entirely different process. One that was offset printed from photoengraved plates mounted to wood blocks. Much like typography with an extra step. <br />\r\nIt\'s possible aarco used that process, in which case, those plates would have probably lasted a long time <br />\r\nThe shop I was at saved the masks used to make the plates for most jobs for years. Many were scrapped when the Hunts tried to corner silver. But until then most jobs were very reprintable. At least one was reprinted while I was there. <br />\r\n</font><br />\r\nWhen I said a million to one, the movie Dumb and Dumber came to mind. There was this line in the movie that went something like this: This guy asked a girl what\'s the chance of you and I getting together,  she responded a million to one.  What did he reply; oh so you\'re saying I still have a chance. Now of course that was not the exact line, I was paraphrasing. I hope you get my point. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nLayout of the cards to be printed was done in a certain way, most of the time the cards would be laid out in a way to show cut marks on the layout, where the cards were to be cut, if the person cutting the cards missed the cut marks, you would then have the potential for different size cards and the images on the cards would appear to be in different position. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe layout and cutting of the cards explains why the exact same card can have the image on the card printed in what looks like a different position on the card. In other words, the image is not in the exact same position on the cards because they were cut wrong.<br />\r\n<font color="Red">Agreed</font><br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore, for one to say a card is fake is all wrong, just because a card  has a different position on a card, or a little smaller / bigger  does not make it a fake, or that it was printed at some other time. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs far as the print quality goes you can not distinguish one card from another, or say it shows that a card was printed at another time. Just because one card is darker, lighter, faded or  has more contrast, or spots on the cards. The printing process can count for such things during a run. The only quality we can look at…is to see if it is printed with a  moire. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nImages of cards cut wrong, card 1 top side, card 2 left side, card 3 right side of card. 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But how was this done? Only a small number of original photographs were used to print the Bond Bread cards. To produce the card they would use Photosats of the original photo. Why is this important to our investigation?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt all has to do with people calling many of the cards fake. Like the 1947 Square Bond Bread / Sports Star cards. Since they were a small number of the original photo, someone printing fake cards like these would not be able to produce the cards we have today, unless they had the original photo to do so.  The only other way to print the cards would be a copy of a baseball card. Well not the only other way, but the others do not apply to this discussion, like photo-copies. And we know  by using a printed baseball card, that would produce a moire pattern on it. No printer would be able to stop the patter of the moire, they could do a good job of hiding it, to make it look as good as possible, but not as good as the original. This can be done by changing the angle of the screen. But a moire would still be visible.  With some practice even the less experienced person could still tell. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore we can rule out the Festberg cards, the square corner cards as being forgeries or fakes. Mind you I am not saying these cards do not have forgeries, I have seen some myself. Even the grading companies miss this, I have seen cards that were graded and certified, that are obvious fakes, by some of the top grading companies. These same grading companies will not grade square corner cards anymore. What a joke.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n What I am pointing out is to stop putting an umbrella over cards (calling them fakes) just because they do not fit into some category…like they have to be round cornered or printed on a certain kind of  paper stock;  just because someone says it was the only paper stock used for printing  cards in the 1940s - 1950s. Or it is the paper used to print Bond Bread cards.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nYou want a fun exercise, take the time and go back to Ted Z thread, you will see a lot of fake cards posted as the real deal. But they are obviously fake cards. Comb the thread, you will be surprised  as to how many fake cards you can spot now.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis one takes the cake for me, oh they are not fakes, but someone found the original printing plates and used them many years later to print cards. For a printer to have the original photo/ photosats or plates… many years later and use them to print from- is a million to one in my opinion. Having the exact same photo is  just about out of the question, I can tell you from experience it  would be very hard to save printing plates for over 20 years, so they can be used again.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhen I said a million to one, the movie Dumb and Dumber came to mind. There was this line in the movie that went something like this: This guy asked a girl what\'s the chance of you and I getting together,  she responded a million to one.  What did he reply; oh so you\'re saying I still have a chance. Now of course that was not the exact line, I was paraphrasing. I hope you get my point. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nLayout of the cards to be printed was done in a certain way, most of the time the cards would be laid out in a way to show cut marks on the layout, where the cards were to be cut, if the person cutting the cards missed the cut marks, you would then have the potential for different size cards and the images on the cards would appear to be in different position. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe layout and cutting of the cards explains why the exact same card can have the image on the card printed in what looks like a different position on the card. In other words, the image is not in the exact same position on the cards because they were cut wrong.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore, for one to say a card is fake is all wrong, just because a card  has a different position on a card, or a little smaller / bigger  does not make it a fake, or that it was printed at some other time. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs far as the print quality goes you can not distinguish one card from another, or say it shows that a card was printed at another time. Just because one card is darker, lighter, faded or  has more contrast, or spots on the cards. The printing process can count for such things during a run. The only quality we can look at…is to see if it is printed with a  moire. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nImages of cards cut wrong, card 1 top side, card 2 left side, card 3 right side of card. 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Thompson post #27</strong>\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2493102">\r\n			\r\n			<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>Keith H. Thompson</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2477692#post2477692" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">I\'ve always respected TED Z in this matter.  We collectors do not like to trample on toes, or offend where money or influence is involved, but how can anyone tell the difference between finding genuinely printed Bond Bread issues in a NJ warehouse and salted reprints hot from the presses ?</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Keith, your post deserves an update. I stand by the hot of the printing press response. But you made a very good point, which had me looking into, can we tell the difference between the squared cut cards. Meaning the cards we call Bond Bread and the Festberg cards. With new information I have to say no.   I went by the information provided by the Ted Z post,  but as I continue to research and investigate the Bond Bread card set, I have found that not everything in that post can be taken as gospel. Thanks to you we can have this conversation. 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As a matter of fact - the 1947 and 1949 square cards and the exhibit, and the premium are printed on the same gray looking stock, whereas the Bond Bread round cornered cards were on a whiter and  a little bit thinner and glossy stock. It is very obvious that the Festberg discoveries are inferior reproductions of the  original 1947-1949 cards.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>     My parents ordered me a set of the 24 square cornered cards for Christmas, I want to say, 1988-89. I don\'t remember getting a letter, but I was given a copy of the ad from the newspaper (either NY Newsday or Daily News) that they were ordered from, which had a very similar description as the letter that Butchie T posted. Unfortunately, I don\'t have it any longer...(I know I have the cards packed away somewhere, because I have never sold any of my collection, I just don\'t know where). <br />\n     What I can say, is that the backs of them were much lighter than your photo. They have a cream colored back that is almost white and the cardboard stock is very thin. 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pd[2477684] = '<!-' + '- post #2477684 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2477684" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2477684" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2477684&amp;postcount=23" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2477684" name="23"><strong>23</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2477684"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				11-29-2024, 08:40 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2477684">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2477684", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2477684">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2477684">\r\n			\r\n			To quote Bob  Lemke’s blog, “Chicago publisher, Aarco Playing Cards, that originally sold the cards in 1947 in boxed sets of 12 under the name Collectors &amp; Traders Sports Star Subjects. The cards are black-and-white, blank-backed, 2-1/4" x 3-3/8" with rounded corners. Photos are borderless portraits or posed action shots with a facsimile autograph or script name.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIn 1947, “the N.Y. baker of Bond Bread evidently contracted with Aarco to obtain a quantity of the cards for distribution in loaves of bread. Later, for reasons unknown, square-cornered versions of half the cards in the set, printed on different card stock, were also produced.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nMatt 74, I believe you could have the same set that butchie t has, the 24 set from the 1970-1980, from the Original sets printed in 1947, the photos above was to show 1947 Square Corner cards printed on a heavier gray stock than the originals. I do not have any of the originals that I can post. 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I don\'t remember getting a letter, but I was given a copy of the ad from the newspaper (either NY Newsday or Daily News) that they were ordered from, which had a very similar description as the letter that Butchie T posted. Unfortunately, I don\'t have it any longer...(I know I have the cards packed away somewhere, because I have never sold any of my collection, I just don\'t know where). <br />\r\n     What I can say, is that the backs of them were much lighter than your photo. They have a cream colored back that is almost white and the cardboard stock is very thin. I now know that I am going to have to tear apart my attic to track these down.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>My friends mother purchased a set for him and he told me that she purchased them from an ad in the NY Times. 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The original issue is on thicker stock and pretty easy to tell it is original.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe cards from the "find" are on old paper stock, not paper stock from the 1980\'s.  They are left over stock from the 1940\'s or early 1950\'s.  I don\'t know why collectors would shy away from them, they are legit 1940\'s-1950\'s cards. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI don\'t think that I have ever seen any that were actually printed in the 1980\'s. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nIf anything is a more modern fantasy piece, it is the exhibit issue. I wonder when these first appeared in hobby publications.  They photos are grainy as if they are just enlarged versions of the smaller cards and the card stock is similar to the reprint exhibit cards that entered the hobby in the 1980\'s.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Monthly consignment auctions of Sports Memorabilia, Antiques and Collectibles.<br />\r\n<a href="http://www.scgaynor.com" target="_blank">www.scgaynor.com</a><br />\r\nEbay ID: Estate-Finders<br />\r\n<a href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/estate-finders/m.html?_nkw=&amp;_armrs=1&amp;_ipg=&amp;_from=" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/sch/estate-find...1&amp;_ipg=&amp;_from=</a><br />\r\n<br />\r\nFind my monthly auctions on auctionninja <br />\r\n<a href="https://www.auctionninja.com/gaynors-fine-consignments/" target="_blank">https://www.auctionninja.com/gaynors-fine-consignments/</a>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2477863" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2477863 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2477863_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">scgaynor</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=553">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=553" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to scgaynor</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="http://www.scgaynor.com">Visit scgaynor\'s homepage!</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=553" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by scgaynor</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2477863 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2477863 -' + '->';
pd[2477867] = '<!-' + '- post #2477867 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2477867" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2477867" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2477867&amp;postcount=27" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2477867" name="27"><strong>27</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2477867"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				11-30-2024, 07:32 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2477867">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2477867", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2477867">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2477867">\r\n			\r\n			Butch, part of me agrees with you, but as you said, your cards check enough of the boxes, for you to say they are 1947-1949 baseball cards. Let\'s look at the facts:  We have people who have first hand Knowledge,  these people collected their cards directly from Bond Bread loaves of bread or from Sports Star cards from - 1947-49.<br />\n<br />\n We know what they look like, feel like, what they\'re printed on and the quality of printing from first hand knowledge. Then we have two letters to tell us about them, &#8220;24 card set originally printed in 1947-49 - offered for sale in 1970s and 1980s.  Note, the letter says that they are not re-prints but the  original 1947 printed cards. These are not just letters trying to get people to buy their cards. But very respected and qualified people and organizations to make such claims. Much different then the letter that went out from the 1980s Festberg - discovered, and the fact that we can tell the Festberg cards from the originally printing 1947 cards helps us to believe your cards fall under the 1947-49 printed cards. <br />\n<br />\nUsing the above criteria - in all faith,  we are able to put certain cards in the 1947-49 print time. But no one can say they have a real Bond Bread, only the ones who collected cards directly out of the Bond Bread loaf  of bread. Bond Bread and Sports Star did produce the exact same rounded corner cards, therefore you or I or anybody for that fact can say for sure a rounded corner card is a Bond Bread card, but if they check all the same boxes as the cards you have&#8230; we can say they are from 1947-49. But you are right, a serious amount of forensic work needs to be done on these cards to actually place them in the 40\'s era 100%. Given what we know I believe we can place the right cards with a 80 to 90% accuracy in the 1947-49 window of time. I also believe we can place the re-prints, and fakes with the same 80 to 90% accuracy - that they do not fit in the 1947-49 window of time. 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pd[2477871] = '<!-' + '- post #2477871 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2477871" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2477871" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2477871&amp;postcount=29" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2477871" name="29"><strong>29</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2477871"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				11-30-2024, 08:11 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2477871">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2477871", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2477871">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2477871">\r\n			\r\n			I agree wholeheartedly with Scott,  he is right on. Bond Bread did not print their own cards. It was only after seeing the Sports Star cards, they  contacted the Chicago publisher, Aarco Playing Cards to print the same cards for them to put in their  loaves of bread. Aarco,  who originally sold the cards in 1947 in boxed sets of 12 under the name Collectors &amp; Traders Sports Star Subjects. And as Scott said, the 1980s Festberg find are: &#8220;The cards from the "find" are on old paper stock, not paper stock from the 1980\'s. They are left over stock from the 1940\'s or early 1950\'s. I don\'t know why collectors would shy away from them, they are legit 1940\'s-1950\'s cards.&#8221; <br />\n<br />\nI am not saying the 80s Fesberg are not from the 1947-50s, someone stored these cards printed from 1940-50s and they stayed there until Fesberg found them in 1980 or so. But it\'s just good to know what we have in our collection, and since we can tell them apart from the others we should designate them as such. I do believe people should collect the 1980 find. But we should be able to say if they are from The Sports Star/Bond Bread sets in our collection. It if fun to know what you have - anyway they are all good to have, just not as good as the-reprints or fakes. 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Right out of the box I would say no.Understand the only people who have collected the original - Bond Bread cards, are those who collected those cards out of the loaves of bread. They are the only ones or have the “original Bond Bread cards”.  I would say if you have proof, one could say on that point they are very rare. John</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>John, the reason I posed the question is I hold 2 1947 Bond Bread insert cards with Stan the Man having a printed Bond Bread reverse while the Scooter has a blank back.  Was just curious if the blank backs are rarer.  Thanks.  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Therefore we know what to look for. To print them in any other years, they would have to have copied them from the original cards, when this is done we can tell. As I have said, you would need the original photos or negatives to print from.  There is 99% chance the people who would have printed the exact cards  would have the originals, therefore, you would have a copy of a copy, which will leave a patter in the printed card. <br />\n<br />\nI was in printing for 40 years, I can tell when it is a copy from something that has already been printed. Look at the examples, you can tell the one that was copied from one that was printed before, and the one that was printed right from the original photo. The top card is the fake. <br />\n<br />\nAs for the card stock it would not match any of the samples we have from 1947-49 paper stock.  You can use a black light to tell new paper stock from paper stock that was made in 1947-49.  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			As evidence comes in: My original opinion is Bond Bread baseball cards should have their own category. Because we could tell them apart from other cards printed in 1947. But the truth I am not sure we can tell what is an original Bond Bread card, or a Sport Star card might be right now. More investigation is needed, looking at the backs is not the answer, paper stock is not the answer,  quality of printing is not the answer. I believe the best is to look at the die cut cards and the round corner cards. But this is still up in the air. Maybe we should have a joint category Bond Bread and Sport Star cards. Wait is that what the standard catalog of vintage baseball cards does- with the designation of W571 cards? I will keep on Investigating, asking all who have an opinion or evidence to chime in. As I have said we need a bigger population to work from. John
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