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<a href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Play+Ball+-reprint+-topps+-upper&_sacat=213&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_fsrp=1&Original%252FReprint=Original%7C%21&_sop=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338821054&customid=playball&toolid=10001&mkevt=1" target=_blank>Play Ball Cards on eBay</a><br>


<a href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=joe+dimaggio+card+-reprint&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&toolid=10001&mkcid=1&campid=5338821054&_odkw=joe+dimaggio+card&_osacat=0&_sop=1&siteid=0&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&customid=joedimaggio" target=_blank>Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay</a><br>


<a href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/212/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Mickey+Mantle+-reprint+-book+-new+-1997&LH_TitleDesc=0&_fsrp=1&Era=%21&_sop=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338821054&customid=MickeyMantle&toolid=10001&mkevt=1" target=_blank>Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay</a><br>


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<a href="https://www.ebay.com/b/Football-Sports-Trading-Cards-Accessories/212/bn_2313620?_sop=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338821054&customid=footballcards&toolid=10001&mkevt=1" target=_blank>Football Cards on eBay</a><br>


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pd[2478815] = '<!-' + '- post #2478815 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2478815" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2478815" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2478815&amp;postcount=2" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2478815" name="2"><strong>2</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2478815"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				12-04-2024, 11:17 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2478815">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2478815", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2478815">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				<strong>Report number 3</strong>\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2478815">\r\n			\r\n			Report number 3 <br />\nHow baseball cards are printed;<br />\nThe technology used to mechanically print realistic pictures on baseball cards did not exist for the most part until around the mid  1800s. Before the mid 1800s most pictures printed resembled hand drawn sketches, not photos. The invention of the Lithograph half-tone printing process changed all that. This new process allowed for magazines, newspapers and trading cards to have photorealistic images. Like the Bond Bread cards. Baseball cards were printed using a halftone technique that creates a gradient effect  of ink by varying the size or spacing of dots: to trick the eye into seeing  different shades. <br />\n<br />\nThe screen printing (half-tones) process was a complicated process. This new halftone process used a special screen to translate a photographic image into a pattern of fine dots on the printing plate.  This fine dot pattern allowed for details that could not be achieved before. For a black and white picture, the dots are only black. For a color picture, the dots will be various colors, using - the four color printing process, cyan, magenta yellow and black. <br />\n<br />\nThe dots are only seen in the photo in black  white printing, the text is solid ink, unless it had a shade of gray. Before half-tone printing, baseball cards were made using antiquated methods. 1800s cards have actual photographs pasted to cardboard backing. Cards like  the Old Judges, Gypsy Queens, and others. Trading cards before the 1800s  were handmade lithographs.  By handmade I mean the designs were made directly onto the printing plate, a person would use special hand tools to put an image directly onto a printing plate.  When you look at these cards  they look a little like a color sketch or painting.<br />\n<br />\n While the photograph itself has been around since 1839, it took decades before printers could print realistic reproductions of photographs. A black and white halftone image consists of a single screen. However, in four color process printing, four different screens are used. I will not get into all that, maybe some other time.<br />\n<br />\nThe reason it is important to know about half-tone printing, we can tell if it is an original card, or one copied from an already printed card. <br />\nThis is done by looking at the dot pattern on the printed cards. When you copy a printed card the dots make a special pattern called a &#8220;moire&#8221; which will distort the accurate rendering of images. Below are two overlaid halftone grids showing a moire. In the above thread # 77 I gave a sample of a baseball card with a moire pattern on it , (Ted Williams) picture. <br />\n<br />\nNow about the printing process and what - does it have to do with what I said about- &#8220;This could explain what looks to me some misunderstanding in the Ted Z thread.&#8221;  There are samples of the back of cards given, that have what looks like dirt or specks on the back of cards, these cards are given as proof that these cards were inserted into loaves of Bond Bread,  and because of how the backs look, saying it because of the bread why the cards look like they do. it also goes over the different stock, I will save that for later. No; this is just part of the printing process. It&#8217;s what in the trade is called set-off, or pick off. This happens for different reasons, the two main reasons are: the result of too much ink printed on the card, and the printing stack of printed cards were handled too soon, before the cards were totally dry.<br />\n<br />\nThe Aaron Robinson cards shown above, thread# 76, I gave an example of an extreme case of set-off. You can see the pick off on the front of the card. <br />\n<br />\nThe pictures below show a mild case of set-off; they are also the pictures used to show what the back of the cards look like that were supposedly inserted into Bond Bread. 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pd[2478848] = '<!-' + '- post #2478848 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2478848" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2478848" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2478848&amp;postcount=4" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2478848" name="4"><strong>4</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2478848"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				12-04-2024, 02:00 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2478848">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2478848", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2478848">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				<strong>As evidence comes in:</strong>\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2478848">\r\n			\r\n			As evidence comes in: My original opinion is Bond Bread baseball cards should have their own category. Because we could tell them apart from other cards printed in 1947. But the truth I am not sure we can tell what is an original Bond Bread card, or a Sport Star card might be right now. More investigation is needed, looking at the backs is not the answer, paper stock is not the answer,  quality of printing is not the answer. I believe the best is to look at the die cut cards and the round corner cards. But this is still up in the air. Maybe we should have a joint category Bond Bread and Sport Star cards. Wait is that what the standard catalog of vintage baseball cards does- with the designation of W571 cards? I will keep on Investigating, asking all who have an opinion or evidence to chime in. As I have said we need a bigger population to work from. 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Just look at what is posted on the Ted Z thread. It looks like some people just posted what they believe. Sadly many people were considered experts - who had first-hand knowledge. One problem I see in that thread, it looks as if you did not agree with the premise of the thread&#8230;you did not know what you were talking about and your opinion was wrong. <br />\n<br />\nThere was no way anybody could come to an agreement. Too many times people held this belief - it is my way or the highway. There is still very good information in that thread. What I want to do is compile the evidence we already have too new evidence and see if we can come up with a conclusion, at best one most of us when given the facts can accept.<br />\n<br />\nWe cannot ignore the fact that we have people who have first-hand knowledge who have collected Bond Bread cards and Sports Star cards first-hand. The problem is their information does not match. 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Bond Bread didn\'t make any of these cards, Aarco did. Bond Bread licensed them from Aarco, as is apparent from the many cards, picture packs and photos made from the same images.  <br />\n<br />\nHypothesis #1: Bond Bread <i>commissioned</i> the 13 card set with back printing because they show up nowhere else in the same format.<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/toptenitems/websize/1947%20Bond%20Bread%20Robinson%20portrait.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nWe know for sure (thanks to some great research out there) that these were issued starting in 1947 with the card shown above first.  <br />\n<br />\nWe know for sure that the 44 card rounded corners set was issued in Bond Bread packages.<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/CSG%20Bond%20Robinson%201.jpeg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nHypothesis #2: the set of 44 was NOT commissioned by Bond Bread but was licensed to Bond Bread by Aarco.  I base this hypothesis on the existence of so many other issues using the same artwork.  <br />\n<br />\nWe know for sure that the rectangular cards were issued in boxed sets sometime around 1947-1949.  <br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/Autograph%20Feller%201947%20Homogenized%20Bond.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\n[autograph not original, but try finding a Feller card w/o an autograph]<br />\n<br />\nWe know that the artwork was licensed to Elgee to make the perforated two-sided cards:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1947%20Bond%20Bread%20Perforated%20Robinson-Cagney.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nWe also know for sure that the rounded corner cards were obtained and used by other companies for promotions:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/joelouis/websize/1949%20Pages%20cards%203.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/joelouis/websize/1949%20Pages%20cards%204.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nThen there are the \'exhibit\' cards:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/1947%20Bond%20Bread%20exhibit%20Musial.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nThe glossy photos:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/img172.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nThe photo pack premiums printed on paper:<br />\n<br />\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpremiums/websize/Picture%20Pack%20Feller.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\n<br />\nAll of which support my hypothesis.  Aarco tried to milk its work in a variety of products and deals.  <br />\n<br />\nThe classification and nomenclature of these various issues was erroneously decided on decades ago by Burdick and the publishers of the early guides based on flawed and incomplete information.  Modern research and communication tools have clarified things.  <br />\n<br />\nNow, the Festberg cards.  I believe that Ted did a disservice to the <i>catalog raisonne</i> of the hobby by calling the cards Festberg found "impostors".  Yes, they are not "Bond Bread" cards.  What they appear to be is either new old stock from an Aarco run that wasn\'t used or rejects from an Aarco print run.  The idea of a counterfeit makes little sense, both practically and physically. Practically speaking, at a time when the originals weren\'t worth much, why even bother reprinting the commons?  If you were going to reprint, wouldn\'t you stick to Robinson, Musial, etc.?  And if you did reprint, why not do DiMaggio?  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But how was this done? Only a small number of original photographs were used to print the Bond Bread cards. To produce the card they would use Photosats of the original photo. Why is this important to our investigation?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt all has to do with people calling many of the cards fake. Like the 1947 Square Bond Bread / Sports Star cards. Since they were a small number of the original photo, someone printing fake cards like these would not be able to produce the cards we have today, unless they had the original photo to do so.  The only other way to print the cards would be a copy of a baseball card. Well not the only other way, but the others do not apply to this discussion, like photo-copies. And we know  by using a printed baseball card, that would produce a moire pattern on it. No printer would be able to stop the patter of the moire, they could do a good job of hiding it, to make it look as good as possible, but not as good as the original. This can be done by changing the angle of the screen. But a moire would still be visible.  With some practice even the less experienced person could still tell. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore we can rule out the Festberg cards, the square corner cards as being forgeries or fakes. Mind you I am not saying these cards do not have forgeries, I have seen some myself. Even the grading companies miss this, I have seen cards that were graded and certified, that are obvious fakes, by some of the top grading companies. These same grading companies will not grade square corner cards anymore. What a joke.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n What I am pointing out is to stop putting an umbrella over cards (calling them fakes) just because they do not fit into some category…like they have to be round cornered or printed on a certain kind of  paper stock;  just because someone says it was the only paper stock used for printing  cards in the 1940s - 1950s. Or it is the paper used to print Bond Bread cards.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nYou want a fun exercise, take the time and go back to Ted Z thread, you will see a lot of fake cards posted as the real deal. But they are obviously fake cards. Comb the thread, you will be surprised  as to how many fake cards you can spot now.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis one takes the cake for me, oh they are not fakes, but someone found the original printing plates and used them many years later to print cards. For a printer to have the original photo/ photosats or plates… many years later and use them to print from- is a million to one in my opinion. Having the exact same photo is  just about out of the question, I can tell you from experience it  would be very hard to save printing plates for over 20 years, so they can be used again.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhen I said a million to one, the movie Dumb and Dumber came to mind. There was this line in the movie that went something like this: This guy asked a girl what\'s the chance of you and I getting together,  she responded a million to one.  What did he reply; oh so you\'re saying I still have a chance. Now of course that was not the exact line, I was paraphrasing. I hope you get my point. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nLayout of the cards to be printed was done in a certain way, most of the time the cards would be laid out in a way to show cut marks on the layout, where the cards were to be cut, if the person cutting the cards missed the cut marks, you would then have the potential for different size cards and the images on the cards would appear to be in different position. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe layout and cutting of the cards explains why the exact same card can have the image on the card printed in what looks like a different position on the card. In other words, the image is not in the exact same position on the cards because they were cut wrong.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore, for one to say a card is fake is all wrong, just because a card  has a different position on a card, or a little smaller / bigger  does not make it a fake, or that it was printed at some other time. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs far as the print quality goes you can not distinguish one card from another, or say it shows that a card was printed at another time. Just because one card is darker, lighter, faded or  has more contrast, or spots on the cards. The printing process can count for such things during a run. The only quality we can look at…is to see if it is printed with a  moire. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nImages of cards cut wrong, card 1 top side, card 2 left side, card 3 right side of card. 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Although overall it\'s pretty good. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nMy comments in red<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>Johnphotoman</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2479010#post2479010" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">The printer had to have an original photo to print the Bond Bread cards. But how was this done? Only a small number of original photographs were used to print the Bond Bread cards. To produce the card they would use Photosats of the original photo. Why is this important to our investigation?<br />\r\n<font color="Red">I can\'t imagine the shop I worked for working off a photostat/photocopy as the original The quality of photostats even in 1980 was way too low. <br />\r\n</font><br />\r\nIt all has to do with people calling many of the cards fake. Like the 1947 Square Bond Bread / Sports Star cards. Since they were a small number of the original photo, someone printing fake cards like these would not be able to produce the cards we have today, unless they had the original photo to do so.  The only other way to print the cards would be a copy of a baseball card. Well not the only other way, but the others do not apply to this discussion, like photo-copies. And we know  by using a printed baseball card, that would produce a moire pattern on it. No printer would be able to stop the patter of the moire, they could do a good job of hiding it, to make it look as good as possible, but not as good as the original. This can be done by changing the angle of the screen. But a moire would still be visible.  With some practice even the less experienced person could still tell.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<font color="Red">I believe it would be possible on cards like these to make a mask from a contact print of the original card which was already screened. It would be hard to get a good negative that lost as little quality as possible but a good photo person could do it. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThat assumes offset lithography, which was probably used. Other processes probably wouldn\'t work well for playing cards, and Aarco wouldn\'t be likely to invest in an entirely different process just for what was a new product. </font><br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore we can rule out the Festberg cards, the square corner cards as being forgeries or fakes. Mind you I am not saying these cards do not have forgeries, I have seen some myself. Even the grading companies miss this, I have seen cards that were graded and certified, that are obvious fakes, by some of the top grading companies. These same grading companies will not grade square corner cards anymore. What a joke.<br />\r\n<font color="Red">I agree about the square corner cards. Most likely they just weren\'t put through the round cornering machine. (I ran one that dated back to the early 1900s at the shop) </font><br />\r\n<br />\r\n What I am pointing out is to stop putting an umbrella over cards (calling them fakes) just because they do not fit into some category…like they have to be round cornered or printed on a certain kind of  paper stock;  just because someone says it was the only paper stock used for printing  cards in the 1940s - 1950s. Or it is the paper used to print Bond Bread cards.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nYou want a fun exercise, take the time and go back to Ted Z thread, you will see a lot of fake cards posted as the real deal. But they are obviously fake cards. Comb the thread, you will be surprised  as to how many fake cards you can spot now.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis one takes the cake for me, oh they are not fakes, but someone found the original printing plates and used them many years later to print cards. For a printer to have the original photo/ photosats or plates… many years later and use them to print from- is a million to one in my opinion. Having the exact same photo is  just about out of the question, I can tell you from experience it  would be very hard to save printing plates for over 20 years, so they can be used again.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nY<font color="Red">es, saving the on press plates for 20+ years didn\'t happen. They get a bit messed up. <br />\r\nBUT<br />\r\nAgain, that assumes offset lithography. <br />\r\nI have plates used to print sports postcards, and could probably still get a print from them but they\'re from an entirely different process. One that was offset printed from photoengraved plates mounted to wood blocks. Much like typography with an extra step. <br />\r\nIt\'s possible aarco used that process, in which case, those plates would have probably lasted a long time <br />\r\nThe shop I was at saved the masks used to make the plates for most jobs for years. Many were scrapped when the Hunts tried to corner silver. But until then most jobs were very reprintable. At least one was reprinted while I was there. <br />\r\n</font><br />\r\nWhen I said a million to one, the movie Dumb and Dumber came to mind. There was this line in the movie that went something like this: This guy asked a girl what\'s the chance of you and I getting together,  she responded a million to one.  What did he reply; oh so you\'re saying I still have a chance. Now of course that was not the exact line, I was paraphrasing. I hope you get my point. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nLayout of the cards to be printed was done in a certain way, most of the time the cards would be laid out in a way to show cut marks on the layout, where the cards were to be cut, if the person cutting the cards missed the cut marks, you would then have the potential for different size cards and the images on the cards would appear to be in different position. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe layout and cutting of the cards explains why the exact same card can have the image on the card printed in what looks like a different position on the card. In other words, the image is not in the exact same position on the cards because they were cut wrong.<br />\r\n<font color="Red">Agreed</font><br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore, for one to say a card is fake is all wrong, just because a card  has a different position on a card, or a little smaller / bigger  does not make it a fake, or that it was printed at some other time. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs far as the print quality goes you can not distinguish one card from another, or say it shows that a card was printed at another time. Just because one card is darker, lighter, faded or  has more contrast, or spots on the cards. The printing process can count for such things during a run. The only quality we can look at…is to see if it is printed with a  moire. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nImages of cards cut wrong, card 1 top side, card 2 left side, card 3 right side of card. 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You are right, it is not impossible to make good forgeries.   The point I was making is I believe we can rule out the Festburg cards as forgeries, or re-prints from the original plates sometime in the 1970-1980s. Yes you are right a plate can be used over and over, most shops did save their offset plates, but to save one for over 29 years, would be hard. Remember we are talking about Printing from 1947, much different than what we have today. And I cannot say how the cards where actually printed 100%. But the odds are they where printed through offset printing. Thanks John PS. 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Two round corner cards and one square corner card. The image in the holder is the one with the whitest back, facing sideways. Just by feeling the two round corner cards you would think the whiter one is thicker, it is also the card that has bevel edges, as opposed to the other one that has more rounded edges, meaning more uniform edges. I used a digital caliper on all the cards, that all came out to be the exact same thickness. I need a new black light, so I did not check them out with one. 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pd[2480061] = '<!-' + '- post #2480061 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2480061" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2480061" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2480061&amp;postcount=14" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2480061" name="14"><strong>14</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2480061"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				12-09-2024, 07:02 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2480061">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=725663">butchie_t</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="butchie_t is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2480061", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\n&#946;&#8746;&#964;&#8705;&#8463; †&#8746;R&#937;&#949;&#915;\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				Member\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Apr 2021</div>\r\n					<div>Location: Nevada</div>\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 1,469\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2480061">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2480061">\r\n			\r\n			I am encouraged by what I have read. But, I am not an influential person in the greater card collecting community. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI would like to see some others here weigh in but also understand that they may be hesitant to post. JMHO.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nKeep it coming! <br />\r\n<br />\r\nCheers, <br />\r\n<br />\r\nButch\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				“Man proposes and God disposes.”<br />\r\n  U.S. Grant, July 1, 1885<br />\r\n<br />\r\nCompleted: 1969 - 2000 Topps Baseball Sets and Traded Sets.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSenators and Frank Howard fan. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI collect Topps baseball variations -' + '- I can quit anytime I want to.....I DON\'T WANT TO.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2480061" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2480061 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2480061_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">butchie_t</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=725663">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=725663" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to butchie_t</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=725663" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by butchie_t</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2480061 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2480061 -' + '->';
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But, I am not an influential person in the greater card collecting community. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI would like to see some others here weigh in but also understand that they may be hesitant to post. JMHO.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nKeep it coming! <br />\r\n<br />\r\nCheers, <br />\r\n<br />\r\nButch</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div> Thank you, Butch.  My hope was others would post, so we could have a bigger pool of information to work off. I am working off my notes and going over the old thread. Trying to put  together a coherent understanding of the Bond Bread cards. As I said , I have many questions, I would like answers to. I want others to post their cards, front and back with what they were told they were, or know what they are. Especially those who have bought from Dave Festberg. 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You are right, it is not impossible to make good forgeries.   The point I was making is I believe we can rule out the Festburg cards as forgeries, or re-prints from the original plates sometime in the 1970-1980s. Yes you are right a plate can be used over and over, most shops did save their offset plates, but to save one for over 29 years, would be hard. Remember we are talking about Printing from 1947, much different than what we have today. And I cannot say how the cards where actually printed 100%. But the odds are they where printed through offset printing. Thanks John PS. I refer you to KeyMan Collectibles  about photo stats.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<a href="https://keymancollectibles.com/photos/1952berkrossjackierobinsonphoto.htm" target="_blank">https://keymancollectibles.com/photo...insonphoto.htm</a></div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>The process matters. <br />\r\nOffset lithography with the thin aluminum plates - those plates were rarely saved. We piled them up, used them for dustpans, support for bondo on cars, patches for sheds... then when the pile got to be big enough what was left nearly all of them, went to the scrap guy. <br />\r\nHow the 1962 Topps plates survived is amazing. I knew the story once but have forgotten. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe other offset - from print blocks or type used very durable "plates" and those would have been saved. Like these, and a couple hockey ones I have<br />\r\n<img src="https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=123&amp;pictureid=2432" border="0" alt="" /><img src="https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=123&amp;pictureid=2431" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\nReprinting from these would be easy. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe way keyman is using photostat is not familiar to me. Photostat was an early term for photocopy from a photocopy machine using the process still used today that uses static electricity to get the toner to stick on the paper. <br />\r\nThat\'s the Xerox process. <br />\r\nLooking it up, the photostat process directly exposed a roll of paper then developed it. <br />\r\n<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photostat_machine" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photostat_machine</a> <br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhat they describe is a part of the process of creating the original art to photograph. 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When I talked about the photostats and printing plates, I was trying not to get too technical. Most shops I managed did save up the aluminum plates and send them to the scrape yard.  If any of these did  survive , my guess is they would not be very good to print from, the image quality would not be very good, a point I believe you made. But yes, someone could have old BB printing plates. But plates from 1947 could not be used run re-prints from. 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It was done in a dark room using negatives making a print on photostat paper. Much like you make a print of a photo from a negative, it is printed or say imaged onto photo paper. In this case the image was imaged onto photostat paper. That photostat would then be use to make a half-tone negative that was used to make the plate.<br />\n<br />\n It was not a photocopy, but made right from the original image. In this way you could add the name right on to the photostat, thereby making a new negative with no loss of details. The photostat which is just a photo print would then be used to make the BB card. Like the photostat in  Keyman article on  Jackie Robinson. It has his name on it, it is a photo print from a photostat.  I hope this helps. Photostats are photo prints imaged on to photo paper.  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But how was this done? Only a small number of original photographs were used to print the Bond Bread cards. To produce the card they would use Photosats of the original photo. Why is this important to our investigation?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt all has to do with people calling many of the cards fake. Like the 1947 Square Bond Bread / Sports Star cards. Since they were a small number of the original photo, someone printing fake cards like these would not be able to produce the cards we have today, unless they had the original photo to do so.  The only other way to print the cards would be a copy of a baseball card. Well not the only other way, but the others do not apply to this discussion, like photo-copies. And we know  by using a printed baseball card, that would produce a moire pattern on it. No printer would be able to stop the patter of the moire, they could do a good job of hiding it, to make it look as good as possible, but not as good as the original. This can be done by changing the angle of the screen. But a moire would still be visible.  With some practice even the less experienced person could still tell. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore we can rule out the Festberg cards, the square corner cards as being forgeries or fakes. Mind you I am not saying these cards do not have forgeries, I have seen some myself. Even the grading companies miss this, I have seen cards that were graded and certified, that are obvious fakes, by some of the top grading companies. These same grading companies will not grade square corner cards anymore. What a joke.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n What I am pointing out is to stop putting an umbrella over cards (calling them fakes) just because they do not fit into some category…like they have to be round cornered or printed on a certain kind of  paper stock;  just because someone says it was the only paper stock used for printing  cards in the 1940s - 1950s. Or it is the paper used to print Bond Bread cards.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nYou want a fun exercise, take the time and go back to Ted Z thread, you will see a lot of fake cards posted as the real deal. But they are obviously fake cards. Comb the thread, you will be surprised  as to how many fake cards you can spot now.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis one takes the cake for me, oh they are not fakes, but someone found the original printing plates and used them many years later to print cards. For a printer to have the original photo/ photosats or plates… many years later and use them to print from- is a million to one in my opinion. Having the exact same photo is  just about out of the question, I can tell you from experience it  would be very hard to save printing plates for over 20 years, so they can be used again.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhen I said a million to one, the movie Dumb and Dumber came to mind. There was this line in the movie that went something like this: This guy asked a girl what\'s the chance of you and I getting together,  she responded a million to one.  What did he reply; oh so you\'re saying I still have a chance. Now of course that was not the exact line, I was paraphrasing. I hope you get my point. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nLayout of the cards to be printed was done in a certain way, most of the time the cards would be laid out in a way to show cut marks on the layout, where the cards were to be cut, if the person cutting the cards missed the cut marks, you would then have the potential for different size cards and the images on the cards would appear to be in different position. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe layout and cutting of the cards explains why the exact same card can have the image on the card printed in what looks like a different position on the card. In other words, the image is not in the exact same position on the cards because they were cut wrong.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore, for one to say a card is fake is all wrong, just because a card  has a different position on a card, or a little smaller / bigger  does not make it a fake, or that it was printed at some other time. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs far as the print quality goes you can not distinguish one card from another, or say it shows that a card was printed at another time. Just because one card is darker, lighter, faded or  has more contrast, or spots on the cards. The printing process can count for such things during a run. The only quality we can look at…is to see if it is printed with a  moire. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nImages of cards cut wrong, card 1 top side, card 2 left side, card 3 right side of card. 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To get to the misleading statements about the<br />\nFestberg find, we need to look at some statements made about Bond<br />\nBread in general, and look at the differences between statements made<br />\nbetween Bond Bread and the Festberg find.<br />\n<br />\nAs I have said I think we can disqualify certain sets in the old Ted Z thread,<br />\nthat were called &#8220;Festberg&#8221; cards, by going over statements made about<br />\ncards that were posted there. More on this further down this post. Get<br />\nready butchiet t, this will involve you.<br />\n<br />\nQuotes from Ted Z page 1: Quote #1: &#8220;It was the Summer of \'47....my<br />\nsister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread<br />\npackages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams,a Stan<br />\nMusial, or the new rookie sensation....a Jackie Robinson BB card.&#8221;<br />\n<br />\nQuote #2: &#8220;These B/W cards were really popular with the kids in our<br />\nneighborhood. By trading &amp; sharing our collections with each other, we<br />\neventually realized that there were no more than 44 BB players and 4<br />\nBoxers in a complete set&#8221;.<br />\n<br />\nQuote #3: &#8220;The only true 1947 Bond Bread cards are these 48 in this<br />\ngeneral set and the Jackie Robinson set. All of which have beveled (or<br />\nROUNDED) corners in order to fit into the bread loaf packages.<br />\nUnfortunately, other issues that resemble the Bond Bread cards that were<br />\nissued after 1947 and were never packaged in Bond Bread loafs<br />\nhave been mis-identified as "1947 Bond Bread" cards. Grading Co. have<br />\nbeen most guilty of erroneously labeling these SQUARE "imposters".<br />\n(Emphasis mine - as Bond Bread cards).<br />\n<br />\nThen he goes on to say: &#8220;Shown here are two cards from the 1949<br />\n(unknown) issue (see below) which includes 24 of the BB players depicted<br />\nin the 1947 Bond Bread issue and an additional BB player (or 2). Also,<br />\nmany of the popular Movie Stars of that era were included. These cards<br />\nmay have been printed by the same firm that printed the 1947 set.<br />\nHowever, their SQUARE corners and their inferior cardboard stock belie<br />\nthe fact that these cards are NOT related to the "1947 Bond Bread" issue.<br />\nA recent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars)<br />\nsuggest a 1949 issue date since Walker Cooper is depicted in this<br />\ncol-lection as a NY Giant (Cooper was traded to Cinci in the Summer of<br />\n\'49).&#8221;<br />\n<br />\nThose statements above by Ted Z set the stage for the controversy we<br />\nhave today. Right from the start.<br />\n<br />\nMy conclusion and re-cape: Ok, not bad Ted had first hand knowledge; he<br />\ncollected Bond Bread cards right from loaves of Bond Bread. Look at what<br />\nTed said: &#8220;there were no more than 44 BB players and 4 Boxers in a<br />\ncomplete set&#8221;. Making up 48 cards in all.<br />\n<br />\nTed also mentioned what he called a 1949 unknown issue, consistent of 24<br />\nof the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and an additional<br />\nBB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that era were<br />\nincluded. How did he know how many cards were in the unknown set, why<br />\nnot list them at this time? Also, notice how he explains the set; The 1947<br />\nset did not have any movie stars in it. Now get this, the 1949 set had an<br />\nadditional BB player or 2, who were these players; why not name them?<br />\nThen there were also cards in the form of popular movie stars of the era.<br />\nGreat, how many? And why not tell us how many cards in all - in this<br />\nso-called 1949 set? Why not give names at this time. I do not like the fact<br />\nthat at a later time in the post these facts seem to be given.<br />\n<br />\nTed then said, "The 1949 unknown issue may have been printed by the<br />\nsame firm that printed the 1947 set. They were printed with square corners<br />\non inferior cardboard stock, and are not related to the 1947 Bond Bread<br />\nissue."<br />\n<br />\nOk stay with me, he goes on to say, &#8220;A recent find of many of these<br />\nSQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest a 1949 issue date since<br />\nWalker Cooper is depicted in this collection as a NY Giant (Cooper was<br />\ntraded to Cinci in the Summer of \'49).&#8221;<br />\n<br />\nQuestion, does a recent find of square cards, suggests the find happened<br />\nin 2009; Since this thread has a date of Mar 2009? Does this imply a recent<br />\nfind to be say 2000. I wished he gave the date and not said it was recent.<br />\nAlso notice about this unknown set it is from 1949. It is an unknown set,<br />\nbut somehow it is given a date for when it was issued. Oh. we did get an<br />\nanswer as to why the set was given an issued date of 1949&#8230;<br />\nIt has to do with Walker Cooper, I will get to that. Ted said the set consisted<br />\nof 24 of the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and an<br />\nadditional BB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that<br />\nera were included. All good information to have. Just wished he was a little<br />\nclearer on the facts.<br />\n<br />\nPay attention&#8230; It is not called the Festberg find, and in fact there is no<br />\nmention of the 1980 Festberg find at this time. I do have to ask the question<br />\nwould a find in 1980 (the Festberg find) be called recent in 2009, some 29<br />\nyears later.<br />\n<br />\nFor now- since there was no mention of the Festberg find, just the unknown<br />\nset, suggest there were two different finds, a 1980s find we call &#8220;Festberg&#8221;<br />\nand an unknown set from 1949, found in recent years. Maybe sometime in<br />\n2000.<br />\n<br />\nLet&#8217;s look at the facts and see if we can figure out these two sets of BB<br />\ncard finds. Can we separate the two into different groups, or are they both<br />\nthe same? It does look like Ted was describing one set, an unknown set<br />\nand according to him - it was a recent find from the time he posted his<br />\nthread, Mar 2009.<br />\n<br />\nAgain I have to ask what does recent mean? 5 years, 10 years- ok go as<br />\nfar as 15 years maybe, but not over 20 years. It does not make sense to<br />\nsay something is recent that happened over 29 years ago. Simple logic<br />\nwould say the unknown set of cards were printed before the summer of<br />\n1949.<br />\n<br />\nThis simple logic implies that the cards were printed 1947-1948. Why would<br />\nI say 1947-1948? If Walker Cooper was depicted in this collection as a NY<br />\nGiant by the time of 1949 he would have been traded. A 1949 issue does<br />\nnot make any sense to me...how can one conclude someone was traded in<br />\nsummer to Cinci, in 1949 but the photo shows Cooper in a NY Giants<br />\nuniform, simple logic would say the BB card was made before 1949. Yes,<br />\nCooper played for the New York Giants baseball team from 1946&#8211;1949, but<br />\nby the time the season of 1949 Cooper was in was in a Cinci uniform.<br />\n<br />\nTed was right, the two card sets are unrelated. Meaning they were not<br />\nmade by Bond Bread, but they do have a connection. What did Ted say?<br />\n&#8220;The 1949 unknown issue may have been printed by the same firm that<br />\nprinted the 1947 set.&#8221; He got that part right. The two sets were printed by<br />\nthe Arrco Playing Card company.<br />\n<br />\nLet go over it one more time, Bond Bread did not print their own cards. As<br />\nExhibitman points out in thread #82 of this thread - &#8220;Bond Bread didn\'t<br />\nmake any of these cards, Aarco did. Bond Bread licensed them from Aarco,<br />\nas is apparent from the many cards, picture packs and photos made from<br />\nthe same images.&#8221; And it is a point I have made from the beginning.<br />\nOne more point, I have always believed that the Collectors &amp; Traders -<br />\nSport Star subject cards had cut cornered edges. Look at the boxes, it sure<br />\ndoes look like the cards have beveled corners. Thet do not look uniform<br />\nlike round corner cards do.<br />\n<br />\nNow let\'s have another look at those boxes of Collectors &amp; Traders - Sport<br />\nStar subject cards without the first card showing in them.<br />\n-called unknown set was printed around the same time as the Bond Bread<br />\ncards. We do know that the squared corned cards were issued in boxed sets sometime around 1947-1949. These box sets are what Ted called the unknown set. No mystery here&#8230;they were the Sports Star Subjects and Screen Star Subjects printed by the Aarco company 1947-1949.<br />\n<br />\nI need to point out that Aarco was printing BB cards and the like in 1947<br />\nknown as Sports Star Subjects and Screen Star Subjects, before they<br />\nprinted any Bond Bread cards as - &#8220;Collectors &amp; Traders - Sport Star<br />\nsubject&#8221; <br />\n<br />\nNotice  the 2 boxes with 12 cards in each. <br />\nAarco made 4 boxes with 12 cards in each... that comes to 48 cards, the same number as the:Bond Bread&#8221; set, no coincidence, Aarco just produced the same cards for Bond bread.<br />\n<br />\nDo you notice anything different about them? The boxes were die cut with<br />\nwindows in them to show the first card, the windows are die cut / beveled or<br />\nyou can say rounded. This tells us the Collectors &amp; Traders - Sport Star<br />\nsubject cards had square or rectangle edges&#8230;they were not round at all.<br />\nI propose or should say the facts tell us that the unknown square cornered<br />\ncards that Ted was telling us about&#8230;are in fact the squared cornered<br />\nCollectors &amp; Traders - Sport Star subject cards from 1947-1949.<br />\n<br />\nThese would mean that all rounded and die cut cards (beveled) edge cards<br />\nall belong to cards that were inserted in Bond Bread. But wait, we were told<br />\nthere was a difference in the rounded and beveled edge cards. I was in this<br />\ncamp, I did believe that &#8220;only the rounded corner cards were the only ones<br />\nthat were inserted in the loaves of bread. I believed that&#8217;s how we could tell<br />\nwhich cards were Bond Bread. I believed that beveled cards belong to<br />\nCollectors &amp; Traders - Sport Star subject cards.<br />\n<br />\nTed\'s own card post in the very first page of his thread proves that he had<br />\nindeed collected right form loves of bread, cards with rounded edges and<br />\nbeveled edges. See example below. Some look rounded and others look<br />\nto be beveled (die-cut).<br />\n<br />\nI explained how die-cut cards have different looking edges as the run goes<br />\non, wear and tear. No one cut them with a pair of scissors, they are no<br />\nfakes. Just by the sheer number of die cut cards, no one could produce<br />\nthat many fakes. Fakes are made for profit - cutting the ends off of the<br />\nSports Star cards would not make you enough profit to go through the effort<br />\nto make fake cards, One has to buy cards and then cut them, then try and<br />\nresell them at a profit. I am not saying someone has not tried - but there are<br />\nway more bigger fish to fry them than wasting your time with small<br />\npotatoes. Yes there could be cards out there with scissors edges - but I<br />\ndon\'t know how anybody could tell.<br />\n<br />\nI want to make a point about a couple of statements made in the Standard<br />\ncatalog of Vintage Baseball Cards, 4th Edition. - From the Bond Bread<br />\ncategory it says&#8230;&#8220;At some point after the original Bond Bread issue, half of<br />\nthe cards were reprinted in a squared corner, 2 ¼ x3 ½ size on a slightly<br />\ndifferent stock for purposes unknown.&#8221;<br />\n<br />\n(Half the cards would mean 24 cards). Where did that information come<br />\nfrom? Did you know that Ted Zanidakis( Ted Z) made contributions to the<br />\ncatalog. It would be nice to see where that statement came from, meaning<br />\nwho was the person that contributed that part to the Bond Bread category.<br />\nUnder the Bond Bond category it also says- &#8220;A large quantity of these 24<br />\ncards was found in a New York warehouse in the 1980s.&#8221;<br />\nNow I believe that is wrong, everything I have read says the 1980 find was<br />\nfound in New Jersey. Notice this find was not called the Festberg. It just<br />\nsays a large quantity of these 24 cards were found in a warehouse in New<br />\nYork. We have to ask, is this a different find or is it the Festberg find?<br />\n<br />\nIn the same paragraph it reads- &#8220;To complicate the situation, the squared<br />\nCorner cards were illegally counterfeited sometime after 2000, often sold in<br />\nthe high graded slabs by fraudulent grading companies.<br />\nCould these cards found after 2000 be the ones Ted called recent? &#8220;A<br />\nrecent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest<br />\na 1949 issue date.&#8221; Certainly since Ted post was Mar. 2009, a 2000 card<br />\nfind would be considered recent to 2009.<br />\n<br />\nAlso, if the 2000 cards were illegally counterfeited, and sold by grading<br />\ncompanies, this could explain why I have seen so many forgeries that are<br />\ndefinitely counterfeits in slabs from grading companies.<br />\nUp next - Report number 5: Festberg Discovery part two. 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I was amazed at how so many different quotes<br />\r\nmade - were just misquoted later on in the thread to meet with that<br />\r\nagenda.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI do not know if the thread started out to have an agenda, but it sure seems<br />\r\nlike it did. As the thread went on, it devolved into someone or someone’s<br />\r\nown point of view. This agenda or point of view single-handedly caused<br />\r\nmore controversy on the Bond Bread cards, before there was a thread.<br />\r\nNow I will say, I am glad for that thread, without it we would not have as<br />\r\nmuch information about the Bond Bread issues. It has given us very good<br />\r\ninformation. Believe it or not I have gained more from the false information<br />\r\nthen from the truth.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhat was this point of view (agenda)? Only the cards that Ted and others<br />\r\nhad… are the only cards that are the real Bond Bread cards. All others are<br />\r\nfakes, reprints, not printed 1947-1949. Again this is my point of view.<br />\r\nI know this is not a nice thing to say, and Ted Z is not here to defend<br />\r\nhimself, but as I laid out the facts; I believe you will see that if you held a<br />\r\ndifferent opinion than the one the thread was promoting… you were wrong,<br />\r\nor just did know what you were talking about. These facts will come right<br />\r\nfrom the thread, that are not mine, but those who had posted their opinion.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote from thread #8 posted 04-04-2009, By: Ted Zanidakis:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n“There is a significant difference in the cardboard stock used in the original<br />\r\n1947 Bond Bread cards vs. the subsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE<br />\r\ncards. When you compare these cards, you\'ll immediately notice”......<br />\r\n1....the 1947 cards are slightly thicker<br />\r\n2....there is a faint gloss on the 1947 cards and not on the other cards<br />\r\n3....the contrast on the 1947 cards is superior to the other cards<br />\r\n4....the backs of the 1947 cards have retained their original white<br />\r\ncolor.....while the backs of the other cards have a "toned" effect.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTake note what Ted Z said, “There is a significant difference in the<br />\r\ncardboard stock used in the original 1947 Bond Bread cards vs. the<br />\r\nsubsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE cards.” Images provided by Ted. Image 1.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote from Ted Z, thread #212, 05-14-2020, “As you know, the original<br />\r\n1947 BOND BREAD cards have bright white backs. The re-printed (24<br />\r\ncards) from the "Festberg find" have toned backs. If the bottom Robinson in<br />\r\nyour scan has a toned back (as I suspect) it has been faked to look like an<br />\r\noriginal 1947 BOND BREAD card by someone who rounded it\'s corners.”<br />\r\nimages provided by Ted Z. Image 2.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTed was talking about a post made by Gobucsmagic74 - post # 207,<br />\r\n05-14-2020. Where we do not see the backs, but he is very clear on the<br />\r\nimages he provided - “The re-printed (24 cards) from the "Festberg find"<br />\r\nhave toned backs.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuestion: how did Ted Z know there were 24 cards in the set of Festberg<br />\r\nfind? Think about it, I will give an answer later, that is a subject for itself.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote from- Gobucsmagic74 - post # 207, 05-14-2020,<br />\r\n“Take a look at the example he shows as an original "Bond<br />\r\nBread/Homogenized Bread" Jackie Robinson and note the subtle<br />\r\ndifferences in the cropping of the corners and the image between a Bond<br />\r\nBread and a "Sports Star Subject". The first example (with white<br />\r\nbackground) (Bond Bread) is an example posted by Ted.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\n“The second is from the ebay lot. (black background). The difference is<br />\r\nclear and evident. The Sports Star Subjects Jackie has cropped corners<br />\r\nwhich are much more "square" than the Bond Bread exemplar. Also much more of the "Dodgers" can be seen in the Bond Bread card, even when<br />\r\nfactoring in the off-set/miscut. These are 100% not the same cards from the<br />\r\nsame set, regardless of whether a third party grading company mistakenly<br />\r\nlabels them as such.” image 3.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nToo bad we did not see the backs of the cards. I do agree that the two<br />\r\ncards are not the same…but not because of the die-cut edges. It is<br />\r\nbecause I believe the eBay lot to be a counterfeit from copying, not from making another halftone from the original card.  I know they are scans<br />\r\nand hard to tell; But luckily the images were enlarged, which shows that the<br />\r\neBay is not a halftone but looks more like a continuous tone image, like<br />\r\none you would get from a copier. Look at the enlarged images provided.<br />\r\nDo you see the difference between the two? Images 4,5,6,7.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWith image #4 being the eBay fake. Image #5 Teds card showing the halftone dots. Image #6 Teds card, showing dots. Image # 6 eBay card no dots, the dots you do see are from copying, there are no distinct dot patterns.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\nLet’s go over the differences between a halftone image and a continuous<br />\r\nimage. A "halftone" is a printing technique where an image is reproduced<br />\r\nusing tiny dots of varying sizes to simulate different shades of color,<br />\r\ncreating a continuous tone effect, while a "photocopy" is a simple copy of a<br />\r\ndocument made using a machine that directly transfers an image onto<br />\r\npaper, typically with a lower resolution and without the complex dot pattern<br />\r\nof a halftone; essentially, a halftone is a specific printing method for<br />\r\ncreating realistic images, while a photocopy is just a copy of a document<br />\r\nmade with a copier machine.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nDepending on the quality of the photocopy machine, a photocopy might<br />\r\nappear slightly less sharp than a high-quality halftone print. A photograph<br />\r\nis considered a continuous tone image, meaning it displays a smooth range<br />\r\nof tones from dark to light, with every possible shade in between, rather<br />\r\nthan distinct, separate dot patterns.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote #9 Posted By: boxingcardman, 04-04-2009. “Although Primo<br />\r\nCarnera was the world heavyweight champ in the 1930s, technically, the<br />\r\ncard in this set is a wrestling card since he is shown in his wrestling garb.<br />\r\nDoesn\'t make a difference on pricing; he is still collected as a boxer.}<br />\r\nHate to cause confusion, but the cards were sold in 4 boxes of 12 each as<br />\r\n"Sports Star Subjects". I have a scan of the cards in the boxes from some<br />\r\nauction years ago (don\'t recall which one). The front cards on the boxes are<br />\r\nDiMaggio, Hodges, Slaughter and Robinson.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nNotice boxingcardman did not post any pictures here, he said, “ I have a<br />\r\nscan of the cards in the boxes from some auction years ago (don\'t recall<br />\r\nwhich one). The front cards on the boxes are DiMaggio, Hodges, Slaughter<br />\r\nand Robinson.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote #11 Posted by Ted Z, 04-04-2009. “ On the contrary....no "confusion"<br />\r\nhere, guy. Indeed, confirmation of the SQUARE cards being issued as a<br />\r\nset of their own. It\'s been my understanding that the SQUARE cards were<br />\r\n1st available in 1949, and into the 1950\'s in small boxes. Until now, I have<br />\r\nreferred to the SQUARE cards as an "unknown" issue. Thanks<br />\r\nto you, now we can identify them as the "Sports Star Subjects"<br />\r\nissue.....NOT a "1947 Bond Bread" issue.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nNotice that boxingcardman makes no mention of dates for the "Sports Star<br />\r\nSubjects". Only Ted Z gave dates: “It\'s been my understanding that the<br />\r\nSQUARE cards were 1st available in 1949, and into the 1950\'s in small<br />\r\nboxes. Until now, I have referred to the SQUARE cards as an "unknown"<br />\r\nissue. Thanks to you, now we can identify them as the "Sports Star<br />\r\nSubjects" issue.....NOT a "1947 Bond Bread" issue.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt is not boxingcardman saying that the "Sports Star Subjects" were not<br />\r\nissued in 1947, it is Ted Z saying that. Why is that, could it be Ted Z<br />\r\n“agenda”, to make the point that the square Sports Star Subjects were<br />\r\nissued in 1949 - 1950.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTed goes on to say: “Shown here are 3 of the SQUARE cards. Two of<br />\r\nwhich are the BB/Movie Star cards....Lou Boudreau/Ingrid<br />\r\nBergen and Johnny Mize/Victor Mature. Also, note the difference in the width of the Bond Bread Jansen card vs its SQUARE card counterpart. The Bond Bread cards are consistently 1/16 th of an inch narrower.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nNow I have a whole other problem in what Ted Z said: About the images he<br />\r\nposted. Ted Z posted 3 square cards that he implies are "Sports Star<br />\r\nSubjects" cards. He goes on to tell us to notice the width of the square<br />\r\ncards.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt might be hard to see the images, but the square cards he posted are<br />\r\nperforated. Image # 8. And in fact have their own destination in the Standard catalog of<br />\r\nVintage Baseball cards. (“1947 Bond Bread Perforated, Due-Sided.) The<br />\r\ncatalog tells us, “The manner of distribution for this variety of the Bond<br />\r\nBread W571/D305 card is unknown.” Notice that the Due-Sided Perforated<br />\r\ncards are called Bond Bread.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhat does Ted Z say, “Shown here are 3 of the SQUARE cards.” Which he<br />\r\nimplies are Sports Star Subject cards. He makes the point that they are<br />\r\n1/16 bigger. But did not tell us… those cards are - W571/D305 Bond Bread<br />\r\ncards. Yes that could be the wrong destination for them, but that is a<br />\r\ndiscussion for another time.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe catalog does not call these Due-Sided Perforated cards …Sports Star<br />\r\nSubject cards, boxingcardman does not call them Sports Star Subject<br />\r\ncards, (why would he, he did not see them until Ted posted them), that is<br />\r\nTed doing so. I can not say why Ted calls these W571 perforated cards<br />\r\nSports Star Subject cards, maybe he just misidentified them. But he did contribute to the Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball Cards. Let\'s just<br />\r\nleave it there.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nNote the description from the catalog: “These different in that they have<br />\r\ntwo, three, or four sides perforated indicating they were issued in sheet<br />\r\nform, Also this group has instead of a blank back, another picture.”<br />\r\nWhy did Ted Z not post the backs of the cards, was it because they were<br />\r\ntwo sided? Or is it because it did not fit with his agenda? The images he<br />\r\nposted are from 1947. That does not fit in his widow of 1949-1950.<br />\r\nUp next - Report number 5: Festberg Discovery part three. 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We collectors do not like to trample on toes, or offend where money or influence is involved, but how can anyone tell the difference between finding genuinely printed Bond Bread issues in a NJ warehouse and salted reprints hot from the presses ?</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Keith, your post deserves an update. I stand by the hot of the printing press response. But you made a very good point, which had me looking into, can we tell the difference between the squared cut cards. Meaning the cards we call Bond Bread and the Festberg cards. With new information I have to say no.   I went by the information provided by the Ted Z post,  but as I continue to research and investigate the Bond Bread card set, I have found that not everything in that post can be taken as gospel. Thanks to you we can have this conversation. 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As a matter of fact - the 1947 and 1949 square cards and the exhibit, and the premium are printed on the same gray looking stock, whereas the Bond Bread round cornered cards were on a whiter and  a little bit thinner and glossy stock. It is very obvious that the Festberg discoveries are inferior reproductions of the  original 1947-1949 cards.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>     My parents ordered me a set of the 24 square cornered cards for Christmas, I want to say, 1988-89. I don\'t remember getting a letter, but I was given a copy of the ad from the newspaper (either NY Newsday or Daily News) that they were ordered from, which had a very similar description as the letter that Butchie T posted. Unfortunately, I don\'t have it any longer...(I know I have the cards packed away somewhere, because I have never sold any of my collection, I just don\'t know where). <br />\n     What I can say, is that the backs of them were much lighter than your photo. 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pd[2477684] = '<!-' + '- post #2477684 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2477684" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2477684" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2477684&amp;postcount=29" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2477684" name="29"><strong>29</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2477684"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				11-29-2024, 08:40 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2477684">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2477684", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2477684">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2477684">\r\n			\r\n			To quote Bob  Lemke’s blog, “Chicago publisher, Aarco Playing Cards, that originally sold the cards in 1947 in boxed sets of 12 under the name Collectors &amp; Traders Sports Star Subjects. The cards are black-and-white, blank-backed, 2-1/4" x 3-3/8" with rounded corners. Photos are borderless portraits or posed action shots with a facsimile autograph or script name.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIn 1947, “the N.Y. baker of Bond Bread evidently contracted with Aarco to obtain a quantity of the cards for distribution in loaves of bread. Later, for reasons unknown, square-cornered versions of half the cards in the set, printed on different card stock, were also produced.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nMatt 74, I believe you could have the same set that butchie t has, the 24 set from the 1970-1980, from the Original sets printed in 1947, the photos above was to show 1947 Square Corner cards printed on a heavier gray stock than the originals. I do not have any of the originals that I can post. 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I don\'t remember getting a letter, but I was given a copy of the ad from the newspaper (either NY Newsday or Daily News) that they were ordered from, which had a very similar description as the letter that Butchie T posted. Unfortunately, I don\'t have it any longer...(I know I have the cards packed away somewhere, because I have never sold any of my collection, I just don\'t know where). <br />\r\n     What I can say, is that the backs of them were much lighter than your photo. They have a cream colored back that is almost white and the cardboard stock is very thin. I now know that I am going to have to tear apart my attic to track these down.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>My friends mother purchased a set for him and he told me that she purchased them from an ad in the NY Times. 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The original issue is on thicker stock and pretty easy to tell it is original.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe cards from the "find" are on old paper stock, not paper stock from the 1980\'s.  They are left over stock from the 1940\'s or early 1950\'s.  I don\'t know why collectors would shy away from them, they are legit 1940\'s-1950\'s cards. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI don\'t think that I have ever seen any that were actually printed in the 1980\'s. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nIf anything is a more modern fantasy piece, it is the exhibit issue. I wonder when these first appeared in hobby publications.  They photos are grainy as if they are just enlarged versions of the smaller cards and the card stock is similar to the reprint exhibit cards that entered the hobby in the 1980\'s.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Monthly consignment auctions of Sports Memorabilia, Antiques and Collectibles.<br />\r\n<a href="http://www.scgaynor.com" target="_blank">www.scgaynor.com</a><br />\r\nEbay ID: Estate-Finders<br />\r\n<a href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/estate-finders/m.html?_nkw=&amp;_armrs=1&amp;_ipg=&amp;_from=" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/sch/estate-find...1&amp;_ipg=&amp;_from=</a><br />\r\n<br />\r\nFind my monthly auctions on auctionninja <br />\r\n<a href="https://www.auctionninja.com/gaynors-fine-consignments/" target="_blank">https://www.auctionninja.com/gaynors-fine-consignments/</a>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2477863" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2477863 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2477863_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">scgaynor</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=553">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=553" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to scgaynor</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="http://www.scgaynor.com">Visit scgaynor\'s homepage!</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=553" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by scgaynor</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2477863 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2477863 -' + '->';
pd[2477867] = '<!-' + '- post #2477867 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2477867" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2477867" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2477867&amp;postcount=33" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2477867" name="33"><strong>33</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2477867"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				11-30-2024, 07:32 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2477867">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2477867", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2477867">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2477867">\r\n			\r\n			Butch, part of me agrees with you, but as you said, your cards check enough of the boxes, for you to say they are 1947-1949 baseball cards. Let\'s look at the facts:  We have people who have first hand Knowledge,  these people collected their cards directly from Bond Bread loaves of bread or from Sports Star cards from - 1947-49.<br />\n<br />\n We know what they look like, feel like, what they\'re printed on and the quality of printing from first hand knowledge. Then we have two letters to tell us about them, &#8220;24 card set originally printed in 1947-49 - offered for sale in 1970s and 1980s.  Note, the letter says that they are not re-prints but the  original 1947 printed cards. These are not just letters trying to get people to buy their cards. But very respected and qualified people and organizations to make such claims. Much different then the letter that went out from the 1980s Festberg - discovered, and the fact that we can tell the Festberg cards from the originally printing 1947 cards helps us to believe your cards fall under the 1947-49 printed cards. <br />\n<br />\nUsing the above criteria - in all faith,  we are able to put certain cards in the 1947-49 print time. But no one can say they have a real Bond Bread, only the ones who collected cards directly out of the Bond Bread loaf  of bread. Bond Bread and Sports Star did produce the exact same rounded corner cards, therefore you or I or anybody for that fact can say for sure a rounded corner card is a Bond Bread card, but if they check all the same boxes as the cards you have&#8230; we can say they are from 1947-49. But you are right, a serious amount of forensic work needs to be done on these cards to actually place them in the 40\'s era 100%. Given what we know I believe we can place the right cards with a 80 to 90% accuracy in the 1947-49 window of time. I also believe we can place the re-prints, and fakes with the same 80 to 90% accuracy - that they do not fit in the 1947-49 window of time. 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Bond Bread did not print their own cards. It was only after seeing the Sports Star cards, they  contacted the Chicago publisher, Aarco Playing Cards to print the same cards for them to put in their  loaves of bread. Aarco,  who originally sold the cards in 1947 in boxed sets of 12 under the name Collectors &amp; Traders Sports Star Subjects. And as Scott said, the 1980s Festberg find are: &#8220;The cards from the "find" are on old paper stock, not paper stock from the 1980\'s. They are left over stock from the 1940\'s or early 1950\'s. I don\'t know why collectors would shy away from them, they are legit 1940\'s-1950\'s cards.&#8221; <br />\n<br />\nI am not saying the 80s Fesberg are not from the 1947-50s, someone stored these cards printed from 1940-50s and they stayed there until Fesberg found them in 1980 or so. But it\'s just good to know what we have in our collection, and since we can tell them apart from the others we should designate them as such. I do believe people should collect the 1980 find. But we should be able to say if they are from The Sports Star/Bond Bread sets in our collection. It if fun to know what you have - anyway they are all good to have, just not as good as the-reprints or fakes. 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Right out of the box I would say no.Understand the only people who have collected the original - Bond Bread cards, are those who collected those cards out of the loaves of bread. They are the only ones or have the “original Bond Bread cards”.  I would say if you have proof, one could say on that point they are very rare. John</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>John, the reason I posed the question is I hold 2 1947 Bond Bread insert cards with Stan the Man having a printed Bond Bread reverse while the Scooter has a blank back.  Was just curious if the blank backs are rarer.  Thanks.  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pn[2477511] = "2477501,2477552";
pn[2477552] = "2477511,2477559";
pn[2477559] = "2477552,2477626";
pn[2477626] = "2477559,2477801";
pn[2477801] = "2477626,2477819";
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pn[2477738] = "2477711,2477752";
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pn[2477775] = "2477752,2477777";
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pn[2478788] = "2478787,2478794";
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pn[2480143] = "2480061,2480150";
pn[2480150] = "2480143,2480221";
pn[2480221] = "2480150,2480160";
pn[2480160] = "2480221,2480174";
pn[2480174] = "2480160,2480186";
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pn[2479013] = "2480186,2479024";
pn[2479024] = "2479013,2479217";
pn[2479217] = "2479024,2479515";
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pn[2479868] = "2479515,2493102";
pn[2493102] = "2479868,2477644";
pn[2477644] = "2493102,2477676";
pn[2477676] = "2477644,2477677";
pn[2477677] = "2477676,2477684";
pn[2477684] = "2477677,2477687";
pn[2477687] = "2477684,2478267";
pn[2478267] = "2477687,2477678";
pn[2477678] = "2478267,2477680";
pn[2477680] = "2477678,2477863";
pn[2477863] = "2477680,2477867";
pn[2477867] = "2477863,2477869";
pn[2477869] = "2477867,2477871";
pn[2477871] = "2477869,2477875";
pn[2477875] = "2477871,2477926";
pn[2477926] = "2477875,2477939";
pn[2477939] = "2477926,2477958";
pn[2477958] = "2477939,2477963";
pn[2477963] = "2477958,2477964";
pn[2477964] = "2477963,2477967";
pn[2477967] = "2477964,2477992";
pn[2477992] = "2477967,2482199";
pn[2482199] = "2477992,2482216";
pn[2482216] = "2482199,2478060";
pn[2478060] = "2482216,2478070";
pn[2478070] = "2478060,2478254";
pn[2478254] = "2478070,2478378";
pn[2478378] = "2478254,2478409";
pn[2478409] = "2478378,2501104";
pn[2501104] = "2478409,2501113";
pn[2501113] = "2501104,2501116";
pn[2501116] = "2501113,2501115";
pn[2501115] = "2501116,2501121";
pn[2501121] = "2501115,2501127";
pn[2501127] = "2501121,2501128";
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				<strong>Three cards in my collection.</strong>
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			Below are three cards from my collection. Two round corner cards and one square corner card. The image in the holder is the one with the whitest back, facing sideways. Just by feeling the two round corner cards you would think the whiter one is thicker, it is also the card that has bevel edges, as opposed to the other one that has more rounded edges, meaning more uniform edges. I used a digital caliper on all the cards, that all came out to be the exact same thickness. I need a new black light, so I did not check them out with one. John
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