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pd[2484815] = '<!-' + '- post #2484815 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2484815" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2484815" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2484815&amp;postcount=3" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2484815" name="3"><strong>3</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2484815"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				12-30-2024, 03:52 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2484815">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2484815", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2484815">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				<strong>Yoda: I hope this helps.</strong>\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2484815">\r\n			\r\n			Yoda:  I don’t remember what answer I gave before, I believe the cards that have printed backs were for sale, not in boxes and not inserted into loaves of Bond Bread. The card with blank backs and rounded corners is either a card that was inserted into loaves of Bond Bread: if it has a cream white back. On the other hand, if the card has a bright white back it is from…Collectors &amp; Traders Sport Star Subjects which came in boxes. Interestingly enough the Sport star Subjects cards started coming out in the 1930s.  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There are images of all of them in post #53 in the old thread.&#8221; <br />\n<br />\n<a href="https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=92743&amp;highlight=bond&amp;page=2#:~:text=11%3A04%20AM-,Pat%20R,-P%40trick%20R" target="_blank">https://net54baseball.com/showthread...-P%40trick%20R</a> <br />\n<br />\n Pat: What we now know teaches that the images in post #53 of the old thread (cards of your friend) are from the Festburg cards discovered in NJ 1980s- Ivory / Beige paper stock, squared corners, 2 ¼ x 3 ½, .1mm thick, weight 1 gram. It could be the same set&#8230; from the letter from The Sporting News from the 1980s&#8230;from Stanley Apfelbaum see post 140 in this thread. <br />\n<br />\nAs for Matt74 his cards may not be from the Festburg discovered, he says his cards have cream colored backs that are almost white. I have reached out to him, maybe he can post images of his cards front  and back.  I am thinking they should look like the images below only with squared corners, 2 ¼ x 3 ½, .1mm thick, weight 1 gram. <br />\n<br />\nPS> The first two cards show as cream white: The Festburg card is the one in the middle. 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The card with blank backs and rounded corners is either a card that was inserted into loaves of Bond Bread: if it has a cream white back. On the other hand, if the card has a bright white back it is from…Collectors &amp; Traders Sport Star Subjects which came in boxes. Interestingly enough the Sport star Subjects cards started coming out in the 1930s.  John</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>John, tks for the clarification.  My Rizutto has a cream white back and rounded corners, so I am assuming it went into loaves of Bond Bread.  Regardless, I am happy to have both my 1947 Bond Bread rookies confirmed as inserts.  Now that I know the facts, thanks to you, Butch and Ray, I am just going to enjoy the cards as part of my PC.  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ESCO made it own cards.  See the Groucho original art and card in an earlier post. It did not contract for others\' designs, like Aarco. <br />\r\n<br />\r\n2.  ESCO was not a commercial printing house.  On occasion, it would specially print backs <i>on its cards</i> for commercial clients.  Dad\'s Cookies, for example.  The only known deviation from that is the Wrigley Field set of alltime greats made in the 1960s for sale at the ballpark.  That was at a point when the company was circling the toilet and was desperate.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\n3.  ESCO\'s main trade was selling vending machines and restocks for those machines.  The cards had to fit the machines.  It did not vary card sizes because [drumroll please] different sizes would foul the machine mechanisms.  When ESCO acquired the card business of the International Mutoscope Reel Company (aka "Mutoscope") in the late 1940s, it reshot the Mutoscope designs to fit its machines.  Here is a comparison:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/Pinup%20Ex%20v%20Muto.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\nESCo on the left, Mutoscope on the right.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThere are some 1950s ESCO cards with Mutoscope PC backs:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/Sauer%20Mutoscope%20Back.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\nMy hunch is that these were made with old card stock that ESCO had from its Mutoscope acquisition and decided to use; waste not, want not. <br />\r\n<br />\r\n4.  There is no way that the "Bond Bread Exhibits" were made by or for ESCO machines. The stock and size are wrong.  I do not think they are Mutoscope products either, because the size and stock are wrong for those machines.  There are many arcade-style cards that ESCO and Mutoscope did not make.  Whether they were vendable in ESCO or Mutoscope machines is an open question.  Some examples:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/zzz%20Babe%20Ruth%20and%20Snookums.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/1920s%20Buzzy%20Barton%20arcade%20card.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\nE282 Oh Boy Gum, a Goudey point-of-sale handout:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/E282%20Dempsey.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/W%20Unc%20Push%20Pull%20Lugosi.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\nConey Island Arcade, made to use in the arcade\'s many Mutoscope machines after IMRCo was kaput:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/9Coney%20Island%20Arcade%20Gehrig.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\n1962 Kennywood (Pittsburgh) Amusement Park:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/1961%20Playing%20Cards%20Paige.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\nPacific Ocean Park (pirated ESCO design):<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<img src="https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/Pacific%20Ocean%20Park%20card.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\nAnonymous 1920s design, poss. 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These cards are in the Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball cards as W571. So what is a legitimate Bond Bread card?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nFor all intended purposes as Ted Z pointed out in his post, (1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards?) …only cards that were packaged into loaves of bread should get that distinction- 48 cards in a complete set with rounded corners. <br />\r\n<br />\r\n One problem in the standard catalog is some cards that look similar to the Bond Bread 48 card set - were never packaged in loaves of Bond Bread. i.e. squared corner cards. These cards have been misidentified as "1947 Bond Bread" cards along with others.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nLet’s put all that aside for now, and just focus on the square corner cards. One question keeps coming to mind!  Can we know when the square corner cards were issued? We know the Bond Bread cards came out in 1947. There is this belief that cards similar to the Bond Bread were issued after 1947, (a set of 24 cards with square corners.)<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhile it is true the 24 card set was never packaged in Bond Bread and has been misidentified as "1947 Bond Bread".  I still have a question: How was this set given an issued date sometime after 1947? Somehow this set of 24 cards has an issued date circa 1950s. What proof is there that all square corner cards were issued after 1947? On the contrary there is proof that some of these cards were issued circa 1940s. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhile there were a lot of cards issued by Wildman Sons (W.S.), circa 1950s we call Trading cards. (Which I will be posting about in an upcoming post.) And yes, many of these cards fit the description of the “Square Corner” Bond Bread cards, but that does not mean they were issued in the 1950s.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nHere is the kicker…the 24 card set and the 48 card set used the same images on the cards. And we  have old-timers who have said they brought their cards that match the 24 card set with square corners right from arcades circa 1940.  While it is true that many collectors speculate that they were dispensed in arcades, similar to Exhibit cards of the era all before 1947, has not changed the issue date of circa 1950s. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nKnowing this information, many collectors will say the 24 card set was issued in the 1950s. The issued date of circa 1950s goes against first hand knowledge, eyewitness accounts. To top it all off, there are articles that say the 24 card set and many Trading cards were issued circa 1947. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nLike the SABR\'s Baseball Cards Research Committee articles. “In 1947 another set is produced containing 24 of the baseball players found in the Homogenized Bread set, plus four boxers. The cards have square corners and are printed on thinner stock.”  <br />\r\n<br />\r\n<a href="https://sabrbaseballcards.blog/author/bouton56/page/9/" target="_blank">https://sabrbaseballcards.blog/author/bouton56/page/9/</a>   <br />\r\n<br />\r\nMany of these Trading cards- where Movie Stars, Western Stars, Baseball Players, Boxers, Football Players, Golfers) were issued before 1947 with square corners, before Wildman Sons (W.S.) issued their cards in the 1950s. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAnd there is no doubt that these Trading cards were never issued as Bond Bread cards, but that is what they are known by in collecting circles (“Bond Bread”) so for now let’s just call them that.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhat I can say is the 24 card set was issued sometime between the 1940s and 1950s. I believe they were circa 1947. One problem is so many cards with square corners came out circa 1950s and fit in with many of the Bond Bread cards- I believe this is why people put an issue date of 1950 on the 24 card set. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs for the David Festberg find in the 1980s, square corners cards that match the 24 card set, it is now believed that are not reprints but are cards that actually were printed in 1947. Another reason I believe the 24 card set was printed and issued circa 1947.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis does not mean there are no fakes or reprints that were done at another time. In fact, I just picked up a  Major League (MLB)  original 1947 Homogenized Bond Bread Ralph Kiner Square Corner licensed reprint. I don’t know much about it, only that the eBay seller said it was a licensed reprint. Waiting for it to arrive, so I can have a good look. 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The same letter you brought you cards from. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe letter says: "The 1947 Homogenized Bond set, which was printed for only one year, contained 48 cards in all (44 baseball players and 4 boxers. We purchased the best of the set-' + '-24 cards in all-' + '-' + '-from the dealers\'s widow."<br />\r\n<br />\r\nButch we know your cards have white backs, therefore I believe your cards to be from the original 1947 square card print. It also appears that the 48 card set from BCS is the same as the 48 Bond Bread set, round corner cards (die-cut cards). Both of these sets, square and round, were produced and issued in 1947. Now on top of that it is believed that the Festberg cards were also produced in 1947.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSo many questions:<br />\r\n<br />\r\nOK, BCS purchased the best of 24 cards from a 48 card set from a dealer\'s window. If only we could find out who that dealer was? How did it become that  the 24 card set from BCS  was the exact same cards as the 24 card set from the Festberg find?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nDid BCS pick the best of 24 cards from a 48 card set... because they did not like the 24 card set (Festberg)cards? BCS had to be looking for cards to sell. Just maybe BCS saw the 24 card set, but because of the paper stock and the print quality pick 24 cards out of that 48 card set. So it is possible they did see the cards from the 24 card set from Festberg but liked the 24 cards from the 48 card set better. Could this be why the two sets have the same Images. That was a mouth full to say, I hope I made my point.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n Why does the 24 set (Festberg) match the 24 cards from BCS?  Why and when did the 24 card set (Festberg find) get issued? Wait, I should ask, when they were printed? Because they were never issued. Why were only 24 cards out of the 48 card set printed? If it was a 48 card set to begin with, meaning was the Festberg find a 48 card set? We know from the BCS letter - it was a 48 card set. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nCould it have been a licensing issue, or because BCS said they pick the best out of the 48 card set to sell. Maybe the printer or the people responsible for the printing of the 24 card set (Festberg) believe they were the best of the 48 card set, because of what BCS had said. Did they believe it would be much easier to promote and sell a 24 card set. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhy even a 48 card set?  A 48 card set was the standard number of a trading card set. This is most likely because of the printing process and the size of the press that was used to print trading cards. The size of the press determined how many cards would be laid-out and ganged up on a printing plate. Meaning 48 cards were printed on one sheet of paper. Thus, if you ran 5,000 sheets of paper through the printing press, you would have yielded 48 cards of 5,000 each, producing 240,000 total cards. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nMy assessment of why a 24 card issue: It could have been a licensing issue. But I believe it is because a 24 card set would be cheaper and easier to produce. Most likely they were run on a smaller printing press, one that would produce 24 cards on a sheet of paper. Therefore if the prees run was 5,000 sheets of paper, it would yield 5000 cards of 24, producing 120,000 cards total. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI do have some questions! If BCS picked the 24 best  cards out of the 48 card set: How did they decide what was the best of the best of 48? Where are the other 24 cards with white backs? We only see the same old square cards whether they come from BCS or Festberg cards. Somebody had to collect the other 24 names in the 48 white backs square set. I have seen some of the cards out there but come few and far in between and come at a higher price.  It may be because usually these cards are slabbed and graded by grading companies. 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After careful review, the card fits the description of the Festberg find.<br />\n<br />\nbutchie t - you and I have talked about Alan Rosen. I received the card from the seller who said, &#8220;These cards are all original. They came directly from the Alan Rosen Warehouse Find. They ARE NOT the reprints that were made in the 1980\'s. Those have different colored backs&#8221;.<br />\n<br />\nI believe you do not believe there was an Alan Rosen find of Bond Bread. I do not want to put words in your mouth, if you can, tell us about what you know About Alan Rosen and Bond Bread.<br />\n<br />\n<br />\nI have not found any proof of an Alan Rosen find that included any Bond Bread cards. The card I received from the seller - that was to come from the Alan Rosen find with different color backs&#8230;wait for it, the card fits the Festberg find.<br />\n<br />\n Understand that I have found no proof of a Rosen Bond Bread find or  reprints made in the 1980s, or any other time for that matter. <br />\nIf anyone knows about or heard about an Alan Rosen find of Bond Bread, or reprints, please post your story. <br />\n<br />\nI brought the two cards above hoping to find out what I believe the cards would tell me what they were.  I believed that the cards would be from the Festberg find. I was right, sometimes you just have to have the cards in your hands. When I put these cards away I will have a great story to tell about them. It is not a complete waste if you buy cards like these, if you like to tell the story behind how you  acquired the cards and why. I will sometimes buy cards that I know the story behind them is wrong. Does anybody else do this?<br />\n<br />\nI also picked up two fakes, to show what to look for in copy fakes. Notice there is no dot pattern, one you get from half-tone printing. These are not reprints from a previous printed card, but copies. See examples. They are on the wrong paper, and were made to look old and distressed. Believe me you can tell the paper stock is wrong just by touching it. We all heard stories of how fake cards were soaked in coffee to make them look old, these cards look like there certainly were. Again when I put these cards away, I will have a great story to tell about them. <br />\n<br />\nItem description from the seller:  &#8220;1947/49 Bond Bread Bob Elliott, Incredible 77 year old card of the one &amp; only Bob Elliott. ULTRA RARE!!! PSA has stopped grading these.&#8221;<br />\n<br />\nItem description from the seller: 1947/49 Bond Bread Ken Keltner Indians. Incredible 77 year old card of the one &amp; only Ken Keltner. ULTRA RARE!!! PSA has stopped grading these. <br />\n<br />\n The Seller said, &#8220;Collectors should note that while many cards in this set have rounded corners or a &#8220;stop sign shaped cut&#8221;, a second version of these cards exist with solely square corners, which is the one pictured. The square corner cards are equally authentic. Cards for the baseball players and the boxers can be found with both variations. See pics for reference.&#8221;<br />\n<br />\n&#8220;I am not a professional grader or appraiser. I CANNOT GUARANTEE AUTHENTICITY. This is data I have acquired from research and talking to people in the Vintage space I trust.&#8221; <br />\n<br />\n I cannot say if the seller understood the cards were fake, but look out for how cards are described. Saying 1949 is a dead giveaway, looking old is also something to watch for. <br />\n<br />\nI will say the seller did a very good job on packing and shipping the card. 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I was hoping to get some reaction from that post. I wanted to start up a conversation, because not as many people are interacting with this post as I believe they would.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThere has to be more people like Ted Z, who has collected the 48 card set, the set that was inserted into loaves of Bond Bread. If so please post pictures, I have never seen all the images on the cards, I sure would like to. There has to people who collected the 24 card set before the Festberg find. People with first hand knowledge.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nHaven said that - the wild accusation I thought would get the most attention was…”Could it have been a licensing issue, or because BCS said they pick the best out of the 48 card set to sell. Maybe the printer or the people responsible for the printing of the 24 card set (Festberg) <u>believe they were the best of the 48 card set, because of what BCS had said. Did they believe it would be much easier to promote and sell a 24 card set?”</u><br />\r\n<br />\r\nStop and think about it, the BCS set was not for sale until the 1990s, although the set was produced in 1947. There is no way the printer or people who had the cards produced, would have known that BCS picked the best 24 cards out of a 48 card set.  Understand I have found no connection between the 24 card set issued in 1947 or the Festberg find, to the BCS issues.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe theory that the people responsible for the printing of the 24 card set believed that it would be easier and cheaper to sell a 24 card set over a 48 card is believable. That is one theory we can understand as to why a 24 card set was produced in the first place.  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Understand as new information comes in, theories and thoughts in this post can change.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nNew information has come to my attention to where I have to make a retraction:  I posted to Pat R in post 149 of this thread; the cards in question would be placed in the  "Festberg" find because of the backs, based on the information we had at the time.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote: “Pat: What we now know teaches that the images in post #53 of the old thread (cards of your friend) are from the Festburg cards discovered in NJ 1980s- Ivory / Beige paper stock, squared corners, 2 ¼ x 3 ½, .1mm thick, weight 1 gram. It could be the same set… from the letter from The Sporting News from the 1980s…from Stanley Apfelbaum see post 140 in this thread.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWith the help of butchie t we were able to determine we cannot place the cards from post #53 from Pat R  in the old post from Ted Z, in the category of the "Festberg" find.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhat we had discover - the backs of the cards from: the Festberg find, butchie t cards from,  the Baseball card society letter, cards I bought that were believed to be from the Festberg find, cards I bought from a collector who collected the cards circa 1940s first hand…all have the same backs.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore what we can say, is the cards from Pat R: are circa 1940s and could come from any of the above sets. As to date, the above cards should be categorized square trading cards under the umbrella of “Bond Bread” cards, not inserted into loaves of bread, circa 1940s.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nImages below 1st card from a collector who collected circa 1940s, 2nd card believed form Festberg find, 3rd from scan from BCS from butchie t, 4th from what is believed from the 24 cards set issued circa 1940s. - 1950s.<br />\r\n John.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- attachments -' + '->\r\n			<div style="padding:6px">\r\n\r\n			\r\n\r\n			\r\n\r\n			\r\n				<fieldset class="fieldset">\r\n					<legend>Attached Images</legend>\r\n					<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="3" border="0">\r\n					<tr>\r\n	<td><img class="inlineimg" src="images/attach/jpg.gif" alt="File Type: jpg" width="16" height="16" border="0" style="vertical-align:baseline" /></td>\r\n	<td><a href="attachment.php?attachmentid=647044&amp;d=1736693170">1234.jpg</a> (45.2 KB, 478 views)</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n					</table>\r\n					</fieldset>\r\n			\r\n\r\n			\r\n\r\n			\r\n\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / attachments -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2487615" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2487615 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2487615_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Johnphotoman</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=790759">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=790759" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Johnphotoman</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=790759" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Johnphotoman</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2487615 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2487615 -' + '->';
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Feel free to post anything you deduce from them. And post any pictures as well.<br />\n<br />\nI&#8217;ll cobble together my findings over the next couple of days.  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I now know a lot more about the cards but  perhaps the final story is yet be revealed.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Yoda, thank you for the shout out. But I must cede the larger portion of the shout out goes to John. He has certainly brought more light to this topic since he dared to wade back into this topic. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nOne way or another, I am just happy to have more supporting information to what we have here. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nBest to you, <br />\r\n<br />\r\nButch\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				“Man proposes and God disposes.”<br />\r\n  U.S. Grant, July 1, 1885<br />\r\n<br />\r\nCompleted: 1969 - 2000 Topps Baseball Sets and Traded Sets.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSenators and Frank Howard fan. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI collect Topps baseball variations -' + '- I can quit anytime I want to.....I DON\'T WANT TO.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2484842" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2484842 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2484842_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">butchie_t</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=725663">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=725663" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to butchie_t</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=725663" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by butchie_t</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2484842 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2484842 -' + '->';
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You are right, it is not impossible to make good forgeries.   The point I was making is I believe we can rule out the Festburg cards as forgeries, or re-prints from the original plates sometime in the 1970-1980s. Yes you are right a plate can be used over and over, most shops did save their offset plates, but to save one for over 29 years, would be hard. Remember we are talking about Printing from 1947, much different than what we have today. And I cannot say how the cards where actually printed 100%. But the odds are they where printed through offset printing. Thanks John PS. I refer you to KeyMan Collectibles  about photo stats.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<a href="https://keymancollectibles.com/photos/1952berkrossjackierobinsonphoto.htm" target="_blank">https://keymancollectibles.com/photo...insonphoto.htm</a></div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>The process matters. <br />\r\nOffset lithography with the thin aluminum plates - those plates were rarely saved. We piled them up, used them for dustpans, support for bondo on cars, patches for sheds... then when the pile got to be big enough what was left nearly all of them, went to the scrap guy. <br />\r\nHow the 1962 Topps plates survived is amazing. I knew the story once but have forgotten. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe other offset - from print blocks or type used very durable "plates" and those would have been saved. Like these, and a couple hockey ones I have<br />\r\n<img src="https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=123&amp;pictureid=2432" border="0" alt="" /><img src="https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=123&amp;pictureid=2431" border="0" alt="" /><br />\r\n<br />\r\nReprinting from these would be easy. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe way keyman is using photostat is not familiar to me. Photostat was an early term for photocopy from a photocopy machine using the process still used today that uses static electricity to get the toner to stick on the paper. <br />\r\nThat\'s the Xerox process. <br />\r\nLooking it up, the photostat process directly exposed a roll of paper then developed it. <br />\r\n<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photostat_machine" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photostat_machine</a> <br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhat they describe is a part of the process of creating the original art to photograph. I guess it\'s possible they could have photocopied the signature onto a transparency, but with a full print shops resources at hand that would have been doing it the hard way. <br />\r\nPhotographing the signature to make a film transparency that would become part of the mask would have been easy.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2480160" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2480160 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2480160_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">steve B</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=4257">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=4257" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to steve B</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=4257" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by steve B</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2480160 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2480160 -' + '->';
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When I talked about the photostats and printing plates, I was trying not to get too technical. Most shops I managed did save up the aluminum plates and send them to the scrape yard.  If any of these did  survive , my guess is they would not be very good to print from, the image quality would not be very good, a point I believe you made. But yes, someone could have old BB printing plates. But plates from 1947 could not be used run re-prints from. 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It was done in a dark room using negatives making a print on photostat paper. Much like you make a print of a photo from a negative, it is printed or say imaged onto photo paper. In this case the image was imaged onto photostat paper. That photostat would then be use to make a half-tone negative that was used to make the plate.<br />\n<br />\n It was not a photocopy, but made right from the original image. In this way you could add the name right on to the photostat, thereby making a new negative with no loss of details. The photostat which is just a photo print would then be used to make the BB card. Like the photostat in  Keyman article on  Jackie Robinson. It has his name on it, it is a photo print from a photostat.  I hope this helps. Photostats are photo prints imaged on to photo paper.  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But how was this done? Only a small number of original photographs were used to print the Bond Bread cards. To produce the card they would use Photosats of the original photo. Why is this important to our investigation?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt all has to do with people calling many of the cards fake. Like the 1947 Square Bond Bread / Sports Star cards. Since they were a small number of the original photo, someone printing fake cards like these would not be able to produce the cards we have today, unless they had the original photo to do so.  The only other way to print the cards would be a copy of a baseball card. Well not the only other way, but the others do not apply to this discussion, like photo-copies. And we know  by using a printed baseball card, that would produce a moire pattern on it. No printer would be able to stop the patter of the moire, they could do a good job of hiding it, to make it look as good as possible, but not as good as the original. This can be done by changing the angle of the screen. But a moire would still be visible.  With some practice even the less experienced person could still tell. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore we can rule out the Festberg cards, the square corner cards as being forgeries or fakes. Mind you I am not saying these cards do not have forgeries, I have seen some myself. Even the grading companies miss this, I have seen cards that were graded and certified, that are obvious fakes, by some of the top grading companies. These same grading companies will not grade square corner cards anymore. What a joke.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n What I am pointing out is to stop putting an umbrella over cards (calling them fakes) just because they do not fit into some category…like they have to be round cornered or printed on a certain kind of  paper stock;  just because someone says it was the only paper stock used for printing  cards in the 1940s - 1950s. Or it is the paper used to print Bond Bread cards.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nYou want a fun exercise, take the time and go back to Ted Z thread, you will see a lot of fake cards posted as the real deal. But they are obviously fake cards. Comb the thread, you will be surprised  as to how many fake cards you can spot now.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis one takes the cake for me, oh they are not fakes, but someone found the original printing plates and used them many years later to print cards. For a printer to have the original photo/ photosats or plates… many years later and use them to print from- is a million to one in my opinion. Having the exact same photo is  just about out of the question, I can tell you from experience it  would be very hard to save printing plates for over 20 years, so they can be used again.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhen I said a million to one, the movie Dumb and Dumber came to mind. There was this line in the movie that went something like this: This guy asked a girl what\'s the chance of you and I getting together,  she responded a million to one.  What did he reply; oh so you\'re saying I still have a chance. Now of course that was not the exact line, I was paraphrasing. I hope you get my point. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nLayout of the cards to be printed was done in a certain way, most of the time the cards would be laid out in a way to show cut marks on the layout, where the cards were to be cut, if the person cutting the cards missed the cut marks, you would then have the potential for different size cards and the images on the cards would appear to be in different position. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe layout and cutting of the cards explains why the exact same card can have the image on the card printed in what looks like a different position on the card. In other words, the image is not in the exact same position on the cards because they were cut wrong.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTherefore, for one to say a card is fake is all wrong, just because a card  has a different position on a card, or a little smaller / bigger  does not make it a fake, or that it was printed at some other time. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs far as the print quality goes you can not distinguish one card from another, or say it shows that a card was printed at another time. Just because one card is darker, lighter, faded or  has more contrast, or spots on the cards. The printing process can count for such things during a run. The only quality we can look at…is to see if it is printed with a  moire. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nImages of cards cut wrong, card 1 top side, card 2 left side, card 3 right side of card. 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To get to the misleading statements about the<br />\nFestberg find, we need to look at some statements made about Bond<br />\nBread in general, and look at the differences between statements made<br />\nbetween Bond Bread and the Festberg find.<br />\n<br />\nAs I have said I think we can disqualify certain sets in the old Ted Z thread,<br />\nthat were called &#8220;Festberg&#8221; cards, by going over statements made about<br />\ncards that were posted there. More on this further down this post. Get<br />\nready butchiet t, this will involve you.<br />\n<br />\nQuotes from Ted Z page 1: Quote #1: &#8220;It was the Summer of \'47....my<br />\nsister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread<br />\npackages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams,a Stan<br />\nMusial, or the new rookie sensation....a Jackie Robinson BB card.&#8221;<br />\n<br />\nQuote #2: &#8220;These B/W cards were really popular with the kids in our<br />\nneighborhood. By trading &amp; sharing our collections with each other, we<br />\neventually realized that there were no more than 44 BB players and 4<br />\nBoxers in a complete set&#8221;.<br />\n<br />\nQuote #3: &#8220;The only true 1947 Bond Bread cards are these 48 in this<br />\ngeneral set and the Jackie Robinson set. All of which have beveled (or<br />\nROUNDED) corners in order to fit into the bread loaf packages.<br />\nUnfortunately, other issues that resemble the Bond Bread cards that were<br />\nissued after 1947 and were never packaged in Bond Bread loafs<br />\nhave been mis-identified as "1947 Bond Bread" cards. Grading Co. have<br />\nbeen most guilty of erroneously labeling these SQUARE "imposters".<br />\n(Emphasis mine - as Bond Bread cards).<br />\n<br />\nThen he goes on to say: &#8220;Shown here are two cards from the 1949<br />\n(unknown) issue (see below) which includes 24 of the BB players depicted<br />\nin the 1947 Bond Bread issue and an additional BB player (or 2). Also,<br />\nmany of the popular Movie Stars of that era were included. These cards<br />\nmay have been printed by the same firm that printed the 1947 set.<br />\nHowever, their SQUARE corners and their inferior cardboard stock belie<br />\nthe fact that these cards are NOT related to the "1947 Bond Bread" issue.<br />\nA recent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars)<br />\nsuggest a 1949 issue date since Walker Cooper is depicted in this<br />\ncol-lection as a NY Giant (Cooper was traded to Cinci in the Summer of<br />\n\'49).&#8221;<br />\n<br />\nThose statements above by Ted Z set the stage for the controversy we<br />\nhave today. Right from the start.<br />\n<br />\nMy conclusion and re-cape: Ok, not bad Ted had first hand knowledge; he<br />\ncollected Bond Bread cards right from loaves of Bond Bread. Look at what<br />\nTed said: &#8220;there were no more than 44 BB players and 4 Boxers in a<br />\ncomplete set&#8221;. Making up 48 cards in all.<br />\n<br />\nTed also mentioned what he called a 1949 unknown issue, consistent of 24<br />\nof the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and an additional<br />\nBB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that era were<br />\nincluded. How did he know how many cards were in the unknown set, why<br />\nnot list them at this time? Also, notice how he explains the set; The 1947<br />\nset did not have any movie stars in it. Now get this, the 1949 set had an<br />\nadditional BB player or 2, who were these players; why not name them?<br />\nThen there were also cards in the form of popular movie stars of the era.<br />\nGreat, how many? And why not tell us how many cards in all - in this<br />\nso-called 1949 set? Why not give names at this time. I do not like the fact<br />\nthat at a later time in the post these facts seem to be given.<br />\n<br />\nTed then said, "The 1949 unknown issue may have been printed by the<br />\nsame firm that printed the 1947 set. They were printed with square corners<br />\non inferior cardboard stock, and are not related to the 1947 Bond Bread<br />\nissue."<br />\n<br />\nOk stay with me, he goes on to say, &#8220;A recent find of many of these<br />\nSQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest a 1949 issue date since<br />\nWalker Cooper is depicted in this collection as a NY Giant (Cooper was<br />\ntraded to Cinci in the Summer of \'49).&#8221;<br />\n<br />\nQuestion, does a recent find of square cards, suggests the find happened<br />\nin 2009; Since this thread has a date of Mar 2009? Does this imply a recent<br />\nfind to be say 2000. I wished he gave the date and not said it was recent.<br />\nAlso notice about this unknown set it is from 1949. It is an unknown set,<br />\nbut somehow it is given a date for when it was issued. Oh. we did get an<br />\nanswer as to why the set was given an issued date of 1949&#8230;<br />\nIt has to do with Walker Cooper, I will get to that. Ted said the set consisted<br />\nof 24 of the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and an<br />\nadditional BB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that<br />\nera were included. All good information to have. Just wished he was a little<br />\nclearer on the facts.<br />\n<br />\nPay attention&#8230; It is not called the Festberg find, and in fact there is no<br />\nmention of the 1980 Festberg find at this time. I do have to ask the question<br />\nwould a find in 1980 (the Festberg find) be called recent in 2009, some 29<br />\nyears later.<br />\n<br />\nFor now- since there was no mention of the Festberg find, just the unknown<br />\nset, suggest there were two different finds, a 1980s find we call &#8220;Festberg&#8221;<br />\nand an unknown set from 1949, found in recent years. Maybe sometime in<br />\n2000.<br />\n<br />\nLet&#8217;s look at the facts and see if we can figure out these two sets of BB<br />\ncard finds. Can we separate the two into different groups, or are they both<br />\nthe same? It does look like Ted was describing one set, an unknown set<br />\nand according to him - it was a recent find from the time he posted his<br />\nthread, Mar 2009.<br />\n<br />\nAgain I have to ask what does recent mean? 5 years, 10 years- ok go as<br />\nfar as 15 years maybe, but not over 20 years. It does not make sense to<br />\nsay something is recent that happened over 29 years ago. Simple logic<br />\nwould say the unknown set of cards were printed before the summer of<br />\n1949.<br />\n<br />\nThis simple logic implies that the cards were printed 1947-1948. Why would<br />\nI say 1947-1948? If Walker Cooper was depicted in this collection as a NY<br />\nGiant by the time of 1949 he would have been traded. A 1949 issue does<br />\nnot make any sense to me...how can one conclude someone was traded in<br />\nsummer to Cinci, in 1949 but the photo shows Cooper in a NY Giants<br />\nuniform, simple logic would say the BB card was made before 1949. Yes,<br />\nCooper played for the New York Giants baseball team from 1946&#8211;1949, but<br />\nby the time the season of 1949 Cooper was in was in a Cinci uniform.<br />\n<br />\nTed was right, the two card sets are unrelated. Meaning they were not<br />\nmade by Bond Bread, but they do have a connection. What did Ted say?<br />\n&#8220;The 1949 unknown issue may have been printed by the same firm that<br />\nprinted the 1947 set.&#8221; He got that part right. The two sets were printed by<br />\nthe Arrco Playing Card company.<br />\n<br />\nLet go over it one more time, Bond Bread did not print their own cards. As<br />\nExhibitman points out in thread #82 of this thread - &#8220;Bond Bread didn\'t<br />\nmake any of these cards, Aarco did. Bond Bread licensed them from Aarco,<br />\nas is apparent from the many cards, picture packs and photos made from<br />\nthe same images.&#8221; And it is a point I have made from the beginning.<br />\nOne more point, I have always believed that the Collectors &amp; Traders -<br />\nSport Star subject cards had cut cornered edges. Look at the boxes, it sure<br />\ndoes look like the cards have beveled corners. Thet do not look uniform<br />\nlike round corner cards do.<br />\n<br />\nNow let\'s have another look at those boxes of Collectors &amp; Traders - Sport<br />\nStar subject cards without the first card showing in them.<br />\n-called unknown set was printed around the same time as the Bond Bread<br />\ncards. We do know that the squared corned cards were issued in boxed sets sometime around 1947-1949. These box sets are what Ted called the unknown set. No mystery here&#8230;they were the Sports Star Subjects and Screen Star Subjects printed by the Aarco company 1947-1949.<br />\n<br />\nI need to point out that Aarco was printing BB cards and the like in 1947<br />\nknown as Sports Star Subjects and Screen Star Subjects, before they<br />\nprinted any Bond Bread cards as - &#8220;Collectors &amp; Traders - Sport Star<br />\nsubject&#8221; <br />\n<br />\nNotice  the 2 boxes with 12 cards in each. <br />\nAarco made 4 boxes with 12 cards in each... that comes to 48 cards, the same number as the:Bond Bread&#8221; set, no coincidence, Aarco just produced the same cards for Bond bread.<br />\n<br />\nDo you notice anything different about them? The boxes were die cut with<br />\nwindows in them to show the first card, the windows are die cut / beveled or<br />\nyou can say rounded. This tells us the Collectors &amp; Traders - Sport Star<br />\nsubject cards had square or rectangle edges&#8230;they were not round at all.<br />\nI propose or should say the facts tell us that the unknown square cornered<br />\ncards that Ted was telling us about&#8230;are in fact the squared cornered<br />\nCollectors &amp; Traders - Sport Star subject cards from 1947-1949.<br />\n<br />\nThese would mean that all rounded and die cut cards (beveled) edge cards<br />\nall belong to cards that were inserted in Bond Bread. But wait, we were told<br />\nthere was a difference in the rounded and beveled edge cards. I was in this<br />\ncamp, I did believe that &#8220;only the rounded corner cards were the only ones<br />\nthat were inserted in the loaves of bread. I believed that&#8217;s how we could tell<br />\nwhich cards were Bond Bread. I believed that beveled cards belong to<br />\nCollectors &amp; Traders - Sport Star subject cards.<br />\n<br />\nTed\'s own card post in the very first page of his thread proves that he had<br />\nindeed collected right form loves of bread, cards with rounded edges and<br />\nbeveled edges. See example below. Some look rounded and others look<br />\nto be beveled (die-cut).<br />\n<br />\nI explained how die-cut cards have different looking edges as the run goes<br />\non, wear and tear. No one cut them with a pair of scissors, they are no<br />\nfakes. Just by the sheer number of die cut cards, no one could produce<br />\nthat many fakes. Fakes are made for profit - cutting the ends off of the<br />\nSports Star cards would not make you enough profit to go through the effort<br />\nto make fake cards, One has to buy cards and then cut them, then try and<br />\nresell them at a profit. I am not saying someone has not tried - but there are<br />\nway more bigger fish to fry them than wasting your time with small<br />\npotatoes. Yes there could be cards out there with scissors edges - but I<br />\ndon\'t know how anybody could tell.<br />\n<br />\nI want to make a point about a couple of statements made in the Standard<br />\ncatalog of Vintage Baseball Cards, 4th Edition. - From the Bond Bread<br />\ncategory it says&#8230;&#8220;At some point after the original Bond Bread issue, half of<br />\nthe cards were reprinted in a squared corner, 2 ¼ x3 ½ size on a slightly<br />\ndifferent stock for purposes unknown.&#8221;<br />\n<br />\n(Half the cards would mean 24 cards). Where did that information come<br />\nfrom? Did you know that Ted Zanidakis( Ted Z) made contributions to the<br />\ncatalog. It would be nice to see where that statement came from, meaning<br />\nwho was the person that contributed that part to the Bond Bread category.<br />\nUnder the Bond Bond category it also says- &#8220;A large quantity of these 24<br />\ncards was found in a New York warehouse in the 1980s.&#8221;<br />\nNow I believe that is wrong, everything I have read says the 1980 find was<br />\nfound in New Jersey. Notice this find was not called the Festberg. It just<br />\nsays a large quantity of these 24 cards were found in a warehouse in New<br />\nYork. We have to ask, is this a different find or is it the Festberg find?<br />\n<br />\nIn the same paragraph it reads- &#8220;To complicate the situation, the squared<br />\nCorner cards were illegally counterfeited sometime after 2000, often sold in<br />\nthe high graded slabs by fraudulent grading companies.<br />\nCould these cards found after 2000 be the ones Ted called recent? &#8220;A<br />\nrecent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest<br />\na 1949 issue date.&#8221; Certainly since Ted post was Mar. 2009, a 2000 card<br />\nfind would be considered recent to 2009.<br />\n<br />\nAlso, if the 2000 cards were illegally counterfeited, and sold by grading<br />\ncompanies, this could explain why I have seen so many forgeries that are<br />\ndefinitely counterfeits in slabs from grading companies.<br />\nUp next - Report number 5: Festberg Discovery part two. 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I was amazed at how so many different quotes<br />\r\nmade - were just misquoted later on in the thread to meet with that<br />\r\nagenda.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI do not know if the thread started out to have an agenda, but it sure seems<br />\r\nlike it did. As the thread went on, it devolved into someone or someone’s<br />\r\nown point of view. This agenda or point of view single-handedly caused<br />\r\nmore controversy on the Bond Bread cards, before there was a thread.<br />\r\nNow I will say, I am glad for that thread, without it we would not have as<br />\r\nmuch information about the Bond Bread issues. It has given us very good<br />\r\ninformation. Believe it or not I have gained more from the false information<br />\r\nthen from the truth.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhat was this point of view (agenda)? Only the cards that Ted and others<br />\r\nhad… are the only cards that are the real Bond Bread cards. All others are<br />\r\nfakes, reprints, not printed 1947-1949. Again this is my point of view.<br />\r\nI know this is not a nice thing to say, and Ted Z is not here to defend<br />\r\nhimself, but as I laid out the facts; I believe you will see that if you held a<br />\r\ndifferent opinion than the one the thread was promoting… you were wrong,<br />\r\nor just did know what you were talking about. These facts will come right<br />\r\nfrom the thread, that are not mine, but those who had posted their opinion.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote from thread #8 posted 04-04-2009, By: Ted Zanidakis:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n“There is a significant difference in the cardboard stock used in the original<br />\r\n1947 Bond Bread cards vs. the subsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE<br />\r\ncards. When you compare these cards, you\'ll immediately notice”......<br />\r\n1....the 1947 cards are slightly thicker<br />\r\n2....there is a faint gloss on the 1947 cards and not on the other cards<br />\r\n3....the contrast on the 1947 cards is superior to the other cards<br />\r\n4....the backs of the 1947 cards have retained their original white<br />\r\ncolor.....while the backs of the other cards have a "toned" effect.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTake note what Ted Z said, “There is a significant difference in the<br />\r\ncardboard stock used in the original 1947 Bond Bread cards vs. the<br />\r\nsubsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE cards.” Images provided by Ted. Image 1.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote from Ted Z, thread #212, 05-14-2020, “As you know, the original<br />\r\n1947 BOND BREAD cards have bright white backs. The re-printed (24<br />\r\ncards) from the "Festberg find" have toned backs. If the bottom Robinson in<br />\r\nyour scan has a toned back (as I suspect) it has been faked to look like an<br />\r\noriginal 1947 BOND BREAD card by someone who rounded it\'s corners.”<br />\r\nimages provided by Ted Z. Image 2.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTed was talking about a post made by Gobucsmagic74 - post # 207,<br />\r\n05-14-2020. Where we do not see the backs, but he is very clear on the<br />\r\nimages he provided - “The re-printed (24 cards) from the "Festberg find"<br />\r\nhave toned backs.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuestion: how did Ted Z know there were 24 cards in the set of Festberg<br />\r\nfind? Think about it, I will give an answer later, that is a subject for itself.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote from- Gobucsmagic74 - post # 207, 05-14-2020,<br />\r\n“Take a look at the example he shows as an original "Bond<br />\r\nBread/Homogenized Bread" Jackie Robinson and note the subtle<br />\r\ndifferences in the cropping of the corners and the image between a Bond<br />\r\nBread and a "Sports Star Subject". The first example (with white<br />\r\nbackground) (Bond Bread) is an example posted by Ted.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\n“The second is from the ebay lot. (black background). The difference is<br />\r\nclear and evident. The Sports Star Subjects Jackie has cropped corners<br />\r\nwhich are much more "square" than the Bond Bread exemplar. Also much more of the "Dodgers" can be seen in the Bond Bread card, even when<br />\r\nfactoring in the off-set/miscut. These are 100% not the same cards from the<br />\r\nsame set, regardless of whether a third party grading company mistakenly<br />\r\nlabels them as such.” image 3.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nToo bad we did not see the backs of the cards. I do agree that the two<br />\r\ncards are not the same…but not because of the die-cut edges. It is<br />\r\nbecause I believe the eBay lot to be a counterfeit from copying, not from making another halftone from the original card.  I know they are scans<br />\r\nand hard to tell; But luckily the images were enlarged, which shows that the<br />\r\neBay is not a halftone but looks more like a continuous tone image, like<br />\r\none you would get from a copier. Look at the enlarged images provided.<br />\r\nDo you see the difference between the two? Images 4,5,6,7.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWith image #4 being the eBay fake. Image #5 Teds card showing the halftone dots. Image #6 Teds card, showing dots. Image # 6 eBay card no dots, the dots you do see are from copying, there are no distinct dot patterns.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\nLet’s go over the differences between a halftone image and a continuous<br />\r\nimage. A "halftone" is a printing technique where an image is reproduced<br />\r\nusing tiny dots of varying sizes to simulate different shades of color,<br />\r\ncreating a continuous tone effect, while a "photocopy" is a simple copy of a<br />\r\ndocument made using a machine that directly transfers an image onto<br />\r\npaper, typically with a lower resolution and without the complex dot pattern<br />\r\nof a halftone; essentially, a halftone is a specific printing method for<br />\r\ncreating realistic images, while a photocopy is just a copy of a document<br />\r\nmade with a copier machine.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nDepending on the quality of the photocopy machine, a photocopy might<br />\r\nappear slightly less sharp than a high-quality halftone print. A photograph<br />\r\nis considered a continuous tone image, meaning it displays a smooth range<br />\r\nof tones from dark to light, with every possible shade in between, rather<br />\r\nthan distinct, separate dot patterns.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote #9 Posted By: boxingcardman, 04-04-2009. “Although Primo<br />\r\nCarnera was the world heavyweight champ in the 1930s, technically, the<br />\r\ncard in this set is a wrestling card since he is shown in his wrestling garb.<br />\r\nDoesn\'t make a difference on pricing; he is still collected as a boxer.}<br />\r\nHate to cause confusion, but the cards were sold in 4 boxes of 12 each as<br />\r\n"Sports Star Subjects". I have a scan of the cards in the boxes from some<br />\r\nauction years ago (don\'t recall which one). The front cards on the boxes are<br />\r\nDiMaggio, Hodges, Slaughter and Robinson.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nNotice boxingcardman did not post any pictures here, he said, “ I have a<br />\r\nscan of the cards in the boxes from some auction years ago (don\'t recall<br />\r\nwhich one). The front cards on the boxes are DiMaggio, Hodges, Slaughter<br />\r\nand Robinson.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nQuote #11 Posted by Ted Z, 04-04-2009. “ On the contrary....no "confusion"<br />\r\nhere, guy. Indeed, confirmation of the SQUARE cards being issued as a<br />\r\nset of their own. It\'s been my understanding that the SQUARE cards were<br />\r\n1st available in 1949, and into the 1950\'s in small boxes. Until now, I have<br />\r\nreferred to the SQUARE cards as an "unknown" issue. Thanks<br />\r\nto you, now we can identify them as the "Sports Star Subjects"<br />\r\nissue.....NOT a "1947 Bond Bread" issue.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nNotice that boxingcardman makes no mention of dates for the "Sports Star<br />\r\nSubjects". Only Ted Z gave dates: “It\'s been my understanding that the<br />\r\nSQUARE cards were 1st available in 1949, and into the 1950\'s in small<br />\r\nboxes. Until now, I have referred to the SQUARE cards as an "unknown"<br />\r\nissue. Thanks to you, now we can identify them as the "Sports Star<br />\r\nSubjects" issue.....NOT a "1947 Bond Bread" issue.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt is not boxingcardman saying that the "Sports Star Subjects" were not<br />\r\nissued in 1947, it is Ted Z saying that. Why is that, could it be Ted Z<br />\r\n“agenda”, to make the point that the square Sports Star Subjects were<br />\r\nissued in 1949 - 1950.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nTed goes on to say: “Shown here are 3 of the SQUARE cards. Two of<br />\r\nwhich are the BB/Movie Star cards....Lou Boudreau/Ingrid<br />\r\nBergen and Johnny Mize/Victor Mature. Also, note the difference in the width of the Bond Bread Jansen card vs its SQUARE card counterpart. The Bond Bread cards are consistently 1/16 th of an inch narrower.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nNow I have a whole other problem in what Ted Z said: About the images he<br />\r\nposted. Ted Z posted 3 square cards that he implies are "Sports Star<br />\r\nSubjects" cards. He goes on to tell us to notice the width of the square<br />\r\ncards.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt might be hard to see the images, but the square cards he posted are<br />\r\nperforated. Image # 8. And in fact have their own destination in the Standard catalog of<br />\r\nVintage Baseball cards. (“1947 Bond Bread Perforated, Due-Sided.) The<br />\r\ncatalog tells us, “The manner of distribution for this variety of the Bond<br />\r\nBread W571/D305 card is unknown.” Notice that the Due-Sided Perforated<br />\r\ncards are called Bond Bread.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nWhat does Ted Z say, “Shown here are 3 of the SQUARE cards.” Which he<br />\r\nimplies are Sports Star Subject cards. He makes the point that they are<br />\r\n1/16 bigger. But did not tell us… those cards are - W571/D305 Bond Bread<br />\r\ncards. Yes that could be the wrong destination for them, but that is a<br />\r\ndiscussion for another time.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe catalog does not call these Due-Sided Perforated cards …Sports Star<br />\r\nSubject cards, boxingcardman does not call them Sports Star Subject<br />\r\ncards, (why would he, he did not see them until Ted posted them), that is<br />\r\nTed doing so. I can not say why Ted calls these W571 perforated cards<br />\r\nSports Star Subject cards, maybe he just misidentified them. But he did contribute to the Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball Cards. Let\'s just<br />\r\nleave it there.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nNote the description from the catalog: “These different in that they have<br />\r\ntwo, three, or four sides perforated indicating they were issued in sheet<br />\r\nform, Also this group has instead of a blank back, another picture.”<br />\r\nWhy did Ted Z not post the backs of the cards, was it because they were<br />\r\ntwo sided? Or is it because it did not fit with his agenda? The images he<br />\r\nposted are from 1947. That does not fit in his widow of 1949-1950.<br />\r\nUp next - Report number 5: Festberg Discovery part three. 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We collectors do not like to trample on toes, or offend where money or influence is involved, but how can anyone tell the difference between finding genuinely printed Bond Bread issues in a NJ warehouse and salted reprints hot from the presses ?</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Keith, your post deserves an update. I stand by the hot of the printing press response. But you made a very good point, which had me looking into, can we tell the difference between the squared cut cards. Meaning the cards we call Bond Bread and the Festberg cards. With new information I have to say no.   I went by the information provided by the Ted Z post,  but as I continue to research and investigate the Bond Bread card set, I have found that not everything in that post can be taken as gospel. Thanks to you we can have this conversation. 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As a matter of fact - the 1947 and 1949 square cards and the exhibit, and the premium are printed on the same gray looking stock, whereas the Bond Bread round cornered cards were on a whiter and  a little bit thinner and glossy stock. It is very obvious that the Festberg discoveries are inferior reproductions of the  original 1947-1949 cards.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>     My parents ordered me a set of the 24 square cornered cards for Christmas, I want to say, 1988-89. I don\'t remember getting a letter, but I was given a copy of the ad from the newspaper (either NY Newsday or Daily News) that they were ordered from, which had a very similar description as the letter that Butchie T posted. Unfortunately, I don\'t have it any longer...(I know I have the cards packed away somewhere, because I have never sold any of my collection, I just don\'t know where). <br />\n     What I can say, is that the backs of them were much lighter than your photo. 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pd[2477684] = '<!-' + '- post #2477684 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2477684" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2477684" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2477684&amp;postcount=31" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2477684" name="31"><strong>31</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2477684"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				11-29-2024, 08:40 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2477684">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2477684", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2477684">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2477684">\r\n			\r\n			To quote Bob  Lemke’s blog, “Chicago publisher, Aarco Playing Cards, that originally sold the cards in 1947 in boxed sets of 12 under the name Collectors &amp; Traders Sports Star Subjects. The cards are black-and-white, blank-backed, 2-1/4" x 3-3/8" with rounded corners. Photos are borderless portraits or posed action shots with a facsimile autograph or script name.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIn 1947, “the N.Y. baker of Bond Bread evidently contracted with Aarco to obtain a quantity of the cards for distribution in loaves of bread. Later, for reasons unknown, square-cornered versions of half the cards in the set, printed on different card stock, were also produced.”<br />\r\n<br />\r\nMatt 74, I believe you could have the same set that butchie t has, the 24 set from the 1970-1980, from the Original sets printed in 1947, the photos above was to show 1947 Square Corner cards printed on a heavier gray stock than the originals. I do not have any of the originals that I can post. 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I don\'t remember getting a letter, but I was given a copy of the ad from the newspaper (either NY Newsday or Daily News) that they were ordered from, which had a very similar description as the letter that Butchie T posted. Unfortunately, I don\'t have it any longer...(I know I have the cards packed away somewhere, because I have never sold any of my collection, I just don\'t know where). <br />\r\n     What I can say, is that the backs of them were much lighter than your photo. They have a cream colored back that is almost white and the cardboard stock is very thin. I now know that I am going to have to tear apart my attic to track these down.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>My friends mother purchased a set for him and he told me that she purchased them from an ad in the NY Times. 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The original issue is on thicker stock and pretty easy to tell it is original.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe cards from the "find" are on old paper stock, not paper stock from the 1980\'s.  They are left over stock from the 1940\'s or early 1950\'s.  I don\'t know why collectors would shy away from them, they are legit 1940\'s-1950\'s cards. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI don\'t think that I have ever seen any that were actually printed in the 1980\'s. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nIf anything is a more modern fantasy piece, it is the exhibit issue. I wonder when these first appeared in hobby publications.  They photos are grainy as if they are just enlarged versions of the smaller cards and the card stock is similar to the reprint exhibit cards that entered the hobby in the 1980\'s.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Monthly consignment auctions of Sports Memorabilia, Antiques and Collectibles.<br />\r\n<a href="http://www.scgaynor.com" target="_blank">www.scgaynor.com</a><br />\r\nEbay ID: Estate-Finders<br />\r\n<a href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/estate-finders/m.html?_nkw=&amp;_armrs=1&amp;_ipg=&amp;_from=" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/sch/estate-find...1&amp;_ipg=&amp;_from=</a><br />\r\n<br />\r\nFind my monthly auctions on auctionninja <br />\r\n<a href="https://www.auctionninja.com/gaynors-fine-consignments/" target="_blank">https://www.auctionninja.com/gaynors-fine-consignments/</a>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2477863" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2477863 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2477863_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">scgaynor</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=553">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=553" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to scgaynor</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="http://www.scgaynor.com">Visit scgaynor\'s homepage!</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=553" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by scgaynor</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2477863 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2477863 -' + '->';
pd[2477867] = '<!-' + '- post #2477867 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2477867" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2477867" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2477867&amp;postcount=35" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2477867" name="35"><strong>35</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2477867"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				11-30-2024, 07:32 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2477867">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=790759">Johnphotoman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Johnphotoman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2477867", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nJohn Spiker\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				J0hn Sp.ik.er\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Oct 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 264\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2477867">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2477867">\r\n			\r\n			Butch, part of me agrees with you, but as you said, your cards check enough of the boxes, for you to say they are 1947-1949 baseball cards. Let\'s look at the facts:  We have people who have first hand Knowledge,  these people collected their cards directly from Bond Bread loaves of bread or from Sports Star cards from - 1947-49.<br />\n<br />\n We know what they look like, feel like, what they\'re printed on and the quality of printing from first hand knowledge. Then we have two letters to tell us about them, &#8220;24 card set originally printed in 1947-49 - offered for sale in 1970s and 1980s.  Note, the letter says that they are not re-prints but the  original 1947 printed cards. These are not just letters trying to get people to buy their cards. But very respected and qualified people and organizations to make such claims. Much different then the letter that went out from the 1980s Festberg - discovered, and the fact that we can tell the Festberg cards from the originally printing 1947 cards helps us to believe your cards fall under the 1947-49 printed cards. <br />\n<br />\nUsing the above criteria - in all faith,  we are able to put certain cards in the 1947-49 print time. But no one can say they have a real Bond Bread, only the ones who collected cards directly out of the Bond Bread loaf  of bread. Bond Bread and Sports Star did produce the exact same rounded corner cards, therefore you or I or anybody for that fact can say for sure a rounded corner card is a Bond Bread card, but if they check all the same boxes as the cards you have&#8230; we can say they are from 1947-49. But you are right, a serious amount of forensic work needs to be done on these cards to actually place them in the 40\'s era 100%. Given what we know I believe we can place the right cards with a 80 to 90% accuracy in the 1947-49 window of time. I also believe we can place the re-prints, and fakes with the same 80 to 90% accuracy - that they do not fit in the 1947-49 window of time. 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Bond Bread did not print their own cards. It was only after seeing the Sports Star cards, they  contacted the Chicago publisher, Aarco Playing Cards to print the same cards for them to put in their  loaves of bread. Aarco,  who originally sold the cards in 1947 in boxed sets of 12 under the name Collectors &amp; Traders Sports Star Subjects. And as Scott said, the 1980s Festberg find are: &#8220;The cards from the "find" are on old paper stock, not paper stock from the 1980\'s. They are left over stock from the 1940\'s or early 1950\'s. I don\'t know why collectors would shy away from them, they are legit 1940\'s-1950\'s cards.&#8221; <br />\n<br />\nI am not saying the 80s Fesberg are not from the 1947-50s, someone stored these cards printed from 1940-50s and they stayed there until Fesberg found them in 1980 or so. But it\'s just good to know what we have in our collection, and since we can tell them apart from the others we should designate them as such. I do believe people should collect the 1980 find. But we should be able to say if they are from The Sports Star/Bond Bread sets in our collection. It if fun to know what you have - anyway they are all good to have, just not as good as the-reprints or fakes. 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pn[2478060] = "2482216,2478070";
pn[2478070] = "2478060,2478254";
pn[2478254] = "2478070,2478378";
pn[2478378] = "2478254,2478409";
pn[2478409] = "2478378,2501104";
pn[2501104] = "2478409,2501113";
pn[2501113] = "2501104,2501116";
pn[2501116] = "2501113,2501115";
pn[2501115] = "2501116,2501121";
pn[2501121] = "2501115,2501127";
pn[2501127] = "2501121,2501128";
pn[2501128] = "2501127,2477442";

// cached usernames
pu[0] = guestphrase;
pu[790759] = "Johnphotoman";
pu[725663] = "butchie_t";
pu[1] = "Leon";
pu[69] = "ullmandds";
pu[148] = "Exhibitman";
pu[1031189] = "Matt74";
pu[178325] = "Pat R";
pu[197846] = "Keith H. Thompson";
pu[616859] = "Yoda";
pu[553] = "scgaynor";
pu[626098] = "GeoPoto";
pu[288] = "aelefson";
pu[1018608] = "BigfootIsReal";
pu[4257] = "steve B";
pu[1033149] = "DaughterFestberg";
pu[351] = "GasHouseGang";
pu[729000] = "Mikehallett22";
pu[626526] = "JUrsaner";
pu[623316] = "Estwd";
pu[730343] = "CardPadre";
pu[232] = "toppcat";

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writeLink(2477442, 0, 1, 790759, "", "Let’s rehash the Bond Bread...", "11-27-2024", "03:27 PM", 0);
  writeLink(2477464, 0, 1, 725663, "T", "<i>Well then, please check the...</i>", "11-27-2024", "05:04 PM", 0);
    writeLink(2477467, 0, 0, 790759, "I,L", "<i>&quot;Well then, please check the...</i>", "11-27-2024", "05:10 PM", 0);
      writeLink(2477470, 0, 0, 1, "I,1,T", "<i>This should keep you going...</i>", "11-27-2024", "05:20 PM", 0);
        writeLink(2477473, 0, 0, 790759, "I,1,I,L", "<i>Yes I hope I was clear on...</i>", "11-27-2024", "05:36 PM", 0);
      writeLink(2477474, 0, 0, 725663, "I,1,L", "<i>I see that you did select an...</i>", "11-27-2024", "05:40 PM", 0);
        writeLink(2477475, 0, 0, 69, "I,2,L", "<i>I believe that card to be...</i>", "11-27-2024", "05:46 PM", 0);
          writeLink(2477476, 0, 1, 725663, "I,3,L", "<i>I believe this is correct and...</i>", "11-27-2024", "05:59 PM", 0);
            writeLink(2477478, 0, 0, 790759, "I,4,L", "<i>If the card is 2 1/4 x 3 1/2,...</i>", "11-27-2024", "06:09 PM", 0);
              writeLink(2477479, 0, 0, 725663, "I,5,L", "<i>It is 2 1/4 by 3 1/2....</i>", "11-27-2024", "06:13 PM", 0);
                writeLink(2477487, 0, 0, 790759, "I,6,L", "<i>You are right, there is no...</i>", "11-27-2024", "06:40 PM", 0);
                  writeLink(2477498, 0, 0, 790759, "I,7,L", "<i>There is a copy of the...</i>", "11-27-2024", "07:18 PM", 0);
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                      writeLink(2477501, 0, 0, 790759, "I,8,I,L", "<i>Can you post them? Where did...</i>", "11-27-2024", "07:34 PM", 0);
                        writeLink(2477511, 0, 1, 725663, "I,8,I,1,L", "<i>I would love to say that they...</i>", "11-27-2024", "08:32 PM", 0);
                          writeLink(2477552, 0, 0, 790759, "I,8,I,2,L", "<i>Thank you, I do appreciate...</i>", "11-28-2024", "07:49 AM", 0);
                            writeLink(2477559, 0, 0, 790759, "I,8,I,3,T", "<i>Here is a link to Bob Lemke's...</i>", "11-28-2024", "08:10 AM", 0);
                              writeLink(2477626, 0, 0, 148, "I,8,I,3,I,L", "<i>The &quot;seldom seen...</i>", "11-28-2024", "05:46 PM", 0);
                            writeLink(2477801, 0, 0, 725663, "I,8,I,3,L", "<i>John, \n \nIt all comes down to...</i>", "11-29-2024", "06:06 PM", 0);
                              writeLink(2477819, 0, 0, 616859, "I,8,I,4,L", "<i>John, are the blank backed...</i>", "11-29-2024", "08:15 PM", 0);
                    writeLink(2477692, 0, 0, 197846, "I,8,L", "I'm an outsider looking in,...", "11-29-2024", "09:31 AM", 0);
                      writeLink(2477696, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,T", "<i>I would agree, we cannot tell...</i>", "11-29-2024", "09:48 AM", 0);
                        writeLink(2477711, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,L", "<i>I was thinking, I don&#8217;t mean...</i>", "11-29-2024", "10:28 AM", 0);
                          writeLink(2477738, 0, 1, 69, "I,9,I,1,L", "<i>To clarify...I was never...</i>", "11-29-2024", "12:50 PM", 0);
                            writeLink(2477752, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,2,L", "<i>My best guess is you have...</i>", "11-29-2024", "02:09 PM", 0);
                              writeLink(2477775, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,3,L", "<i>Here is what a copy or...</i>", "11-29-2024", "03:30 PM", 0);
                                writeLink(2477777, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,4,T", "<i>Look at the back, the front...</i>", "11-29-2024", "03:32 PM", 0);
                                  writeLink(2477779, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,4,I,L", "<i>one more image on a card I...</i>", "11-29-2024", "03:45 PM", 0);
                                writeLink(2478787, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,4,L", "<i>I do not mean to call this...</i>", "12-04-2024", "09:04 AM", 0);
                                  writeLink(2478788, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,5,L", "<i>This is the copy of the card...</i>", "12-04-2024", "09:10 AM", 0);
                                    writeLink(2478794, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,6,L", "Fake / Forgery", "12-04-2024", "09:26 AM", 0);
                                      writeLink(2478815, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,7,L", "Report number 3", "12-04-2024", "11:17 AM", 0);
                                        writeLink(2478838, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,8,L", "<i>This is so cool, I believe it...</i>", "12-04-2024", "12:46 PM", 0);
                                          writeLink(2478848, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,9,L", "As evidence comes in:", "12-04-2024", "02:00 PM", 0);
                                            writeLink(2478957, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,10,L", "Why do we have so much...", "12-05-2024", "07:37 AM", 0);
                                              writeLink(2478982, 0, 0, 148, "I,9,I,11,L", "<i>Part of the problem with...</i>", "12-05-2024", "09:07 AM", 0);
                                                writeLink(2479002, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,12,L", "<i>Thank you, Exhibitman: You...</i>", "12-05-2024", "10:23 AM", 0);
                                                  writeLink(2479010, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,T", "Report number 4: The original...", "12-05-2024", "10:53 AM", 0);
                                                    writeLink(2479871, 0, 0, 4257, "I,9,I,13,I,L", "<i>A few points/things I don't...</i>", "12-09-2024", "08:59 AM", 0);
                                                      writeLink(2479873, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,1,L", "<i>Thank you Steve B - You make...</i>", "12-09-2024", "09:11 AM", 0);
                                                        writeLink(2479923, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,T", "Three cards in my collection.", "12-09-2024", "11:15 AM", 0);
                                                          writeLink(2480034, 0, 0, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,L", "<i>John, \n \n&quot;Get ready butchiet...</i>", "12-09-2024", "05:21 PM", 0);
                                                            writeLink(2480044, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,1,L", "<i>Thank you butchiet t, no, it...</i>", "12-09-2024", "06:10 PM", 0);
                                                              writeLink(2480061, 0, 0, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,2,L", "<i>I am encouraged by what I...</i>", "12-09-2024", "07:02 PM", 0);
                                                                writeLink(2480143, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,3,L", "see some others here weigh in...", "12-10-2024", "06:38 AM", 0);
                                                                  writeLink(2480150, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,4,L", "Disclaimer", "12-10-2024", "07:29 AM", 0);
                                                                    writeLink(2480221, 0, 1, 178325, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,5,L", "<i>John, here's what's in the...</i>", "12-10-2024", "12:11 PM", 0);
                                                                      writeLink(2480222, 0, 1, 178325, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,T", "<i>The other page didn't load...</i>", "12-10-2024", "12:12 PM", 0);
                                                                        writeLink(2480363, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,L", "2016 catalog", "12-11-2024", "07:20 AM", 0);
                                                                          writeLink(2480524, 0, 1, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,1,L", "<i>The attached scan is from the...</i>", "12-11-2024", "06:11 PM", 0);
                                                                            writeLink(2480622, 0, 0, 148, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,2,L", "<i>One of the problems inherent...</i>", "12-12-2024", "07:38 AM", 0);
                                                                              writeLink(2480630, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,3,L", "up coming post", "12-12-2024", "09:00 AM", 0);
                                                                                writeLink(2480665, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,4,L", "Report number 5: Festberg...", "12-12-2024", "11:01 AM", 0);
                                                                                  writeLink(2480832, 0, 0, 148, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,5,L", "<i>&quot;We know the Exhibit Supply...</i>", "12-12-2024", "10:05 PM", 0);
                                                                                    writeLink(2480872, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,T", "the Exhibit Supply Co.,", "12-13-2024", "06:26 AM", 0);
                                                                                      writeLink(2480900, 0, 1, 178325, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,L", "<i>I'm not claiming that this...</i>", "12-13-2024", "09:36 AM", 0);
                                                                                        writeLink(2480919, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,1,L", "Ads for cardboard from 1946-47", "12-13-2024", "10:36 AM", 0);
                                                                                          writeLink(2480935, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,2,L", "the Exhibit Supply Co", "12-13-2024", "11:46 AM", 0);
                                                                                            writeLink(2481038, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,T", "1980 Festberg find.", "12-13-2024", "07:25 PM", 0);
                                                                                              writeLink(2481114, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,I,T", "Images on computer can have...", "12-14-2024", "07:55 AM", 0);
                                                                                              writeLink(2481421, 0, 0, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,I,L", "<i>John, \n \nMy answer to you on...</i>", "12-15-2024", "01:49 PM", 0);
                                                                                                writeLink(2481427, 0, 0, 148, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,I,1,L", "<i>I try to follow the physical...</i>", "12-15-2024", "02:20 PM", 0);
                                                                                                  writeLink(2481438, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,I,2,L", "Physical Evidence", "12-15-2024", "03:17 PM", 0);
                                                                                                    writeLink(2481491, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,I,3,L", "<i>Exhibit card: Notice it says-...</i>", "12-15-2024", "06:57 PM", 0);
                                                                                                      writeLink(2481594, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,I,4,L", "Photo", "12-16-2024", "08:39 AM", 0);
                                                                                                        writeLink(2481727, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,I,5,L", "<i>Photo and Exhibit card.</i>", "12-16-2024", "06:02 PM", 0);
                                                                                                          writeLink(2481808, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,I,6,L", "Help with research.", "12-17-2024", "07:19 AM", 0);
                                                                                            writeLink(2481125, 0, 0, 148, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,3,L", "<i>None of that ties ESCO to...</i>", "12-14-2024", "08:42 AM", 0);
                                                                                              writeLink(2481153, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,4,L", "Exhibit cards", "12-14-2024", "10:55 AM", 0);
                                                                                                writeLink(2481215, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,5,L", "Color on cards", "12-14-2024", "03:24 PM", 0);
                                                                                                  writeLink(2481334, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,6,L", "Color on cards.", "12-15-2024", "07:38 AM", 0);
                                                                                                    writeLink(2481338, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,7,L", "Stating my case", "12-15-2024", "08:07 AM", 0);
                                                                                                      writeLink(2481360, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,I,8,L", "The (illustrated images)...", "12-15-2024", "09:36 AM", 0);
                                                                                    writeLink(2482294, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,6,L", "Question", "12-19-2024", "11:37 AM", 0);
                                                                                      writeLink(2482504, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,7,L", "The Baseball card society...", "12-20-2024", "08:48 AM", 0);
                                                                                        writeLink(2482545, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,8,T", "UKCardGuy post 384-", "12-20-2024", "11:55 AM", 0);
                                                                                        writeLink(2483116, 0, 0, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,8,L", "<i>butchie t-  In post #2...</i>", "12-22-2024", "06:21 PM", 0);
                                                                                          writeLink(2483200, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,9,L", "Getting to the bottom of this...", "12-23-2024", "06:52 AM", 0);
                                                                                            writeLink(2483232, 0, 0, 178325, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,10,T", "<i>[/B][/B] \n \nJohn, what you're...</i>", "12-23-2024", "10:08 AM", 0);
                                                                                            writeLink(2483234, 0, 0, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,I,10,L", "<i>I am confident Leon is not...</i>", "12-23-2024", "10:09 AM", 0);
                                                                      writeLink(2483246, 0, 0, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,6,L", "<i>HAHAH!!! \n \nCheck out this...</i>", "12-23-2024", "11:04 AM", 0);
                                                                        writeLink(2483292, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,7,L", "Great work", "12-23-2024", "01:53 PM", 0);
                                                                          writeLink(2483294, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,8,L", "Card thickness", "12-23-2024", "02:07 PM", 0);
                                                                            writeLink(2483488, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,9,L", "The Sporting News letter.", "12-24-2024", "11:13 AM", 0);
                                                                              writeLink(2483619, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,10,L", "Merry Christmas, happy...", "12-25-2024", "09:43 AM", 0);
                                                                                writeLink(2484694, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,11,L", "Belong to what sets?", "12-30-2024", "07:48 AM", 0);
                                                                                  writeLink(2484745, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,12,L", "Related Posted", "12-30-2024", "11:15 AM", 0);
                                                                                    writeLink(2484754, 0, 1, 351, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,13,L", "<i>I didn't want to reread this...</i>", "12-30-2024", "11:55 AM", 0);
                                                                                      writeLink(2484808, 0, 0, 616859, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,14,L", "<i>I participated early in this...</i>", "12-30-2024", "02:59 PM", 0);
                                                                                        writeLink(2484810, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,T", "<i>GasHouseGang- very nice,...</i>", "12-30-2024", "03:09 PM", 0);
                                                                                          writeLink(2484811, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,L", "<i>Yoda - Thank you,  I too...</i>", "12-30-2024", "03:10 PM", 0);
                                                                                            writeLink(2484815, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,1,L", "Yoda: I hope this helps.", "12-30-2024", "03:52 PM", 0);
                                                                                              writeLink(2484839, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,2,T", "Pat R- I haven't forgotten...", "12-30-2024", "05:17 PM", 0);
                                                                                              writeLink(2485015, 0, 0, 616859, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,2,L", "<i>John, tks for the...</i>", "12-31-2024", "01:14 PM", 0);
                                                                                                writeLink(2485083, 0, 0, 148, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,3,L", "<i>I think we're getting a...</i>", "12-31-2024", "05:33 PM", 0);
                                                                                                  writeLink(2485089, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,4,L", "Exhibitman", "12-31-2024", "05:45 PM", 0);
                                                                                                    writeLink(2485185, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,5,L", "Overview of squared corner...", "01-01-2025", "09:21 AM", 0);
                                                                                                      writeLink(2485876, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,6,L", "Why a 24 card set.", "01-04-2025", "07:54 AM", 0);
                                                                                                        writeLink(2486517, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,7,L", "Buying Bond Bread cards:", "01-07-2025", "10:59 AM", 0);
                                                                                                          writeLink(2486575, 0, 0, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,8,L", "<i>John, \n \nMy comment regarding...</i>", "01-07-2025", "04:44 PM", 0);
                                                                                                            writeLink(2486647, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,9,L", "Thank you Butch", "01-08-2025", "06:37 AM", 0);
                                                                                                              writeLink(2486859, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,10,L", "A lot of wild accusations.", "01-09-2025", "07:22 AM", 0);
                                                                                                                writeLink(2487615, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,11,L", "Retraction", "01-12-2025", "08:54 AM", 0);
                                                                                                                  writeLink(2487629, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,12,L", "<i>butchie t- Sorry I did not...</i>", "01-12-2025", "09:28 AM", 0);
                                                                                                                    writeLink(2487638, 0, 0, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,13,L", "<i>John, \n \nDon&#8217;t worry about me...</i>", "01-12-2025", "09:47 AM", 0);
                                                                                                                      writeLink(2488291, 0, 0, 0, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,I,14,L", "", "more", "", 0);
                                                                                        writeLink(2484842, 0, 0, 725663, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,15,L", "<i>Yoda, thank you for the shout...</i>", "12-30-2024", "05:26 PM", 0);
                                                                                          writeLink(2484945, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,2,I,16,L", "My apologies:", "12-31-2024", "09:00 AM", 0);
                                                        writeLink(2480160, 0, 0, 4257, "I,9,I,13,I,2,L", "<i>The process matters.  \nOffset...</i>", "12-10-2024", "08:32 AM", 0);
                                                          writeLink(2480174, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,3,L", "Photostats and printing plates", "12-10-2024", "09:13 AM", 0);
                                                            writeLink(2480186, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,13,I,4,L", "How photostats were used in...", "12-10-2024", "10:26 AM", 0);
                                                  writeLink(2479013, 0, 1, 790759, "I,9,I,13,L", "Report number 4: The original...", "12-05-2024", "11:13 AM", 0);
                                                    writeLink(2479024, 0, 0, 790759, "I,9,I,14,L", "Abctoo- Michael Fried post...", "12-05-2024", "11:55 AM", 0);
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My comment regarding Al Rosen is based on the fact that if Al Rosen would have found anything that had to deal with a find that had the potential for them being related to Homogenized Bond Bread cards, he would have basically shouted it from the rooftops....and he would have run that find to ground over the course of the months following that find (or purchase). <br />
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So the dearth of any information regarding Al Rosen and a cache of 'Bond Bread' cards leads me to my belief that Al and these cards have no association with each other.<br />
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