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Circular? No. Our legal system is founded on precisely that concept. I not only fully embrace the concept but I'm entirely consistent in its application. I would call that a virtue on my part (to offset some of my failings perhaps).

And I'm sure the Ohio Bar Association would be intrigued (and probably appalled) to learn that one of its members doesn't fully embrace the concept.
I haven't set foot in Ohio in decades LOL. And you clearly do not understand the legal system. That the state may not be able to persuade a jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, with admissible evidence, that a defendant is guilty does not mean they did not commit the crime. Indeed, it is not unusual for a defendant to be found not guilty by a criminal jury but then to be found liable for the same act by a civil jury.

Again, if you DEFINE innocent as not found guilty, then sure you're right, but that is completely circular.
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And you clearly do not understand the legal system.
Excuse me but I understand it very well. The State bloody well better be able to PROVE its case against me or I walk. And that's the way it absolutely, positively should be. No ifs, ands or buts. But for whatever reason you don't seem to wholly embrace the principle.

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Again, if you DEFINE innocent as not found guilty, then sure you're right, but that is completely circular.
What the hell? That's also the way it's defined under the law. Why are you ignoring this key detail? To me that's an all-important detail since it's there for my protection.

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That the state may not be able to persuade a jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, with admissible evidence, that a defendant is guilty does not mean they did not commit the crime.
So bloody what? Unbelievable how you still insist on missing the point. I don't CARE if whoever/whatever did something and is not convicted. That's the price I'm willing to pay to continue living in a free society where we can't be cavalierly prosecuted and jailed by the State.

You say that you're a lawyer yet you've not heard of Blackstone's Formulation? I don't agree with Blackstone's ratio though. Rather than 10:1 it should be 100,000:1.

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Indeed, it is not unusual for a defendant to be found not guilty by a criminal jury but then to be found liable for the same act by a civil jury.
Yeah, well I have real problems with those civil juries. Is that how you earn your living or something? Is that why you're so intent on eroding the protections we all enjoy under our system of jurisprudence? Are you simply a Deep State fascist?



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I haven't set foot in Ohio in decades LOL.
Just an accident of geography then. If you don't unequivocally embrace the principle that a man IS innocent until and unless proven guilty in an objective court of law, you should be disbarred (if you're indeed a lawyer) wherever you practice.

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Excuse me but I understand it very well. The State bloody well better be able to PROVE its case against me or I walk. And that's the way it absolutely, positively should be. No ifs, ands or buts. But for whatever reason you don't seem to wholly embrace the principal.



What the hell? That's also the way it's defined under the law. Why are you ignoring this key detail? To me that's an all-important detail since it's there for my protection.



So bloody what? Unbelievable how you still insist on missing the point. I don't CARE if whoever/whatever did something and is not convicted. That's the price I'm willing to pay to continue living in a free society where we can't be cavalierly prosecuted and jailed by the State.

You say that you're a lawyer yet you've not heard of Blackstone's Formulation? I don't agree with Blackstone's ratio though. Rather than 10:1 it should be 100,000:1.



Yeah, well I have real problems with those civil juries. Is that how you earn your living or something? Is that why you're so intent on eroding the protections we all enjoy under our system of jurisprudence? Are you simply a Deep State fascist?





Just an accident of geography then. If you don't unequivocally embrace the principle that a man IS innocent until and unless proven guilty in an objective court of law, you should be disbarred (if you're indeed a lawyer) wherever you practice.
Why are you responding now to comments from a week ago. No one else cares.

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Why are you responding now to comments from a week ago.
This is not a "chat line". This is a discussion forum. Therefore whatever words you peck onto this board are here indefinitely.

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