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Originally Posted by CW
Well if the bad actors don't actually break the law, what do you expect the hobby to do to these people? It's not like we can hold a tribunal and banish them from the hobby. If the do break the law, then it's up to the courts and attorneys to bring the charges. If they shill their auction on eBay, then it's up to eBay to detect that and kick them off their site.
You ask for the hobby to punish these crooks, but then you reward them with continued business.
¢hu¢k wolf (since I'm giving an opinion here)
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I'm not asking for punishment, I'm saying I don't care about buying cards from the hobby crooks because the hobby has never been clean as long as I've been around, from a kid to adult.
In this very thread there's an allegation of cooperative shill bidding involving someone who's been heavily linked to it various times in the past and someone who's actually done time for what he got "busted" for in the hobby.
Tainted names keep on doing business and they're not hiding their identities or trying to rebrand their images. They simply exist. They buy advertising space. They set up tables at shows. They get smacked down and build up a new (or returning in many cases) consumer base.
I just accept it as part of the hobby and handicap that knowledge vs who I'm dealing with and who the business friends are of who I'm dealing with.
I'm not calling anyone specific out...but a card shill may specialize in shilling, but if they're also friends with card trimmers who can slide their stuff into their cosigned auctions under the guise of "We take cards from so many people." then...well, let's stop there. What I just said probably has 2-3+ unique guesses of who I'm talking about there. That says a lot about how long this has grinded on without any guardrails. It is what it is...
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