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Posted By: Nickinvegas
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2791790643&category=204&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBDW%3AIT&rd=1 |
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Posted By: petecld
It is a nice pose but the buyer really got suckered on this one. |
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Posted By: Nickinvegas
Pete, |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
Nick--In answer to your original question I have seen the pose on an N172. Without looking at the item it is difficult to determine if it is a genuine proof or not but it seems, based on the seller's handle, to come from Vermont where most of the Old Judge proofs and all of the Old Judge glass plate negatives were discovered. The A&G ad on the back seems a little wierd but, if I remember correctly, Rob Lifson had a similar item in one of his auctions several years ago. I think (and I am stretching my memory on this one) he hypothesized that the item may have come from a failed joint venture between A&G and Goodwin to produce cards together. |
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Posted By: Cycleback
My advice to the average collector who wants a cabinet style Old Judge image, but is unsure how to exactly interpret those proofs on the market, is to buy the regular ho hum N173 Cabinet. It's the safest bet for your money. |
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Posted By: petecld
Nick, |
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Posted By: Cycleback
I agree with Pete in that I would like to hear a coherent and plausible explanation for why it says Goodwin on front and Allen & Ginter on back. Companies competing in the same tough market advertise against the competing company, not for. Adidas doesn't have television spots promoting their shoes and ending with "but make sure to also buy some Nike shoes, because they make quality shoes too" ... The only reason a tobacco company issued tobacco cards and premiums was to increase its market share versus that of its competitors. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
It looks like a coupon or paper ad or insert glued to the back of the mount. Note the apparent crease in the item but not in the photo. |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Hello everyone. I've kept quiet on the issue but I was the high bidder on the Goodwin photo/proof. I own a couple of the Doran proof's, one framed and unframed, so when the similar Boyce came up for sale - I liked the pose and wanted to have it. I was going to say anything until I was able to return from college and inspect it. Anyway, when I arrived home last night for my spring break, I finally got a chance to look at it so here are the details I can tell you... |
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Posted By: Nickinvegas
John, |
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Posted By: Cycleback
It is my opinion that people should not be purchasing these unusual shaped Old Judge Proofs unless they have been judged authentic by a reliable source. As I said earlier, if a collector wants to invest in a big Old Judge image he or she should be putting the money into the regular old N173s. I'm aware that many won't follow this advice, but I felt it important that I offer my opinion in this situation. |
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Posted By: Joe P.
There are investors, and there are collectors. |
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Posted By: Cycleback
I am confident that time will prove my advice to be wise. My advice rose from concerns about authenticity, not investment potential or the type of vintage material people should collect. |
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Posted By: Joe P.
Please re-read your quote. |
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Posted By: runscott
...and your post was very clear. |
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Posted By: petecld
Agreed. |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
Pete--Unfortunately, my cards are prisoners to a bank safe deposit box. Next visiting day I will check(assuming a senior moment does not occur simultaneously). I'm not sure, however, how much information such an observation will ad since I have seen multiple copies of exactly the same card, some clear and others fuzzy. |
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Posted By: Cycleback
I have questions about the authenticity of these odd shaped Old Judge Proofs. I can't comment on each and every one on the market as I haven't seen in person each and everyone on the market, but I examined three in person and they were fakes. This is why I recommended that the average collector who wants to own a big Old Judge image should play it safe and purchase an N173 Cabinet. Assuming you didn't buy a cheap counterfeit, you can be confident when you go to sleep at night that that N173 Old Judge Cabinet on your desk or in your drawer is genuine and vintage. |
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Posted By: Joe P.
Knowing that a Dr Danny Dupchek or his clone have never soiled an N173. |
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Posted By: petecld
"Pedro" |
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Posted By: Joe P.
How long have you had a this reading comprehension problem? |
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Posted By: runscott
I disagreed with Joe P once and he immediately renamed me as well. It'a a playground tactic. |
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Posted By: Cycleback
It was not a fruitless discussion, as I learned that Pedro is Spanish for Peter. |
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Posted By: Joe P.
It appears that David Rudd, Laddie Boy and Pete are very sensitive to opposing thoughts. |
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Posted By: Bill Cornell
I think we can all see that this thread is heading into the abyss. That might be tolerable, but the topic was an interesting one and it's been sidetracked. |
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Posted By: runscott
I'll just say it: Koos = Paul = Joe P. This is a "man" who does not want to run into any of us in a dark alley. |
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Posted By: Joe P.
No one challenged anyones manhood. |
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Posted By: Joe P.
To the ever clueless Laddie Boy Runscott. |
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Posted By: runscott
This guy's just a name-dropping loser. When does he exit stage left? |
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