Three Presidents Coming to Dinner on Thursday

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Our attendee list for our New York dinner just keeps getting more distinguished all the time.

With the unexpected but welcome news that Bill Allen, president of Mastronet will be joining our esteemed group on Thursday, we now have three presidents at our Thursday dinnerr--the others being Dave Forman of SGC and our own Al Crisafulli--president or at least chief moderator of Lets Talk Sportscards.

Best news yet--anyone and everyone is welcome to come--but you must let me know to get the secret password at jdc122@aol.com.

Jim

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Posted By: Scott B.

President of Mastronet is Bill Allen???? Not Doug Allen???

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Posted By: barrysloate

I don't have the secret password- but I will be there and I do hope everyone will join us, despite the ten degree temperature expected Thursday night. Think of it as invigorating!

I missed that too- it's Doug!

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Whoops I am combining Doug Allen and Bill Mastro's names.

Obviously its Doug.

Jim

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Posted By: davidcycleback

"Hail to the chief moderator"

I'm not a president but I own a Dead Kennedys album. Does that count?

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

I am impressed at the punk rock attitude on this list. First Black Flag, now DK's........

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Posted By: barrysloate

They were supposed to be a pretty good punk band, but I never heard them. I think they used to play at CBGB's.

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Posted By: fkw

DK, right on David......Your one notch cooler in my book!

DK's singer Jello Biafra was almost SF's Mayor in'79 (coming in 4th in a field of 10 behind Feinstein)

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Posted By: barrysloate

That was a year after Moscone and Harvey Milk were assassinated.

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

Now we gotta talk BR and Social D!

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Posted By: bruce dorskind

Three of the key discussion points on Thursday evening have to address

What are our objectives?

Whose hobby is it anyway? Or more accurately is this still a hobby?

Whilst there are a cadre of bothersome issues such as grading disparities,
changes in E Bay's policies. and a lack of transparency in the auction
and sales process, we suspect that there are, at most only a few thousand
collectors who really are both aware of these issues and care about them.

The Summit must place some definitition to the hobby (i.e. is someone who
collects every Old Judge as much a hobbyist as someone who
spends $100 a year on his annual visit to the card show?

If the Presidents "and their men" want to discuss standards, it is
imperative that their target audience is precisely delineated

It is also important that any ideas regarding regulations has
an enforceable enforcement component. This, in our opinion,
will be rather difficult to achieve.

It might make sense Jim to ask each of the attendees to bring
along an agenda and an outline and prepare a 3 minute formal
discussion. In that way you can keep the discussion focused.

We will certain look forward to watching what actionable steps
are taken as a result of this gathering. Lots of good luck!

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Jello was born and raised right here in Boulder, CO.

Vote Biafra/Rollins in 2008!

-Ryan

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Well, ummm...

I ran a punk label for 8 years, I've met Jello, Rollins, and my personal favorite Joey Ramone (although one of them is dead and the other two wouldn't know me if they tripped over me), and I was personally devastated when CB's finally closed, but there is certainly NOTHING about me that I would call "distinguished."

Thanks, though. Can I still come?

-Al

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Posted By: John S

Don't forget Husker Du.

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Posted By: Max Weder

[not meaning to continue with the hi-jack thread, but ...}

Very cool, Al, about the record label. In the music world, did you ever run into Bill Nowlin, president of Rounders Record, who is a huge Ted Williams collector and has written several books on the Williams and the Red Sox?

Max

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Never met him, no. I wasn't particularly special then, either.

But I do love Husker Du.

-Al

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Posted By: barrysloate

Being a hippie from the 60's, I missed out on the punk scene. But if you have any questions about Buffalo Springfield, Country Joe and the Fish, or the Yardbirds, I'm your man.

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Posted By: Bob

The Yardbirds are the most underrated rock band of all time. Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton....I can't believe no one has ever made a real documentary about this group.

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Posted By: barrysloate

The late Keith Relf on vocals, Paul Samwell-Smith on bass, and Jim McCarty on drums. And they became Led Zeppelin-making it more imperative that their music never dies!

What does all this have to do with Jim C's meeting? I think we digress.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

jim- just to confirm michael sarno & dar schuster will be there...

secret password?

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Posted By: Alan

Jim/Barry -

Why don't you bring in a band to play for entertainment after dinner ? Why not ? Bring in the Yardbirds !!!

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Posted By: Chris Counts

Buffalo Springfield ... now we're talking! Those guys were the best ever, in my humble opinion ... I went to a Black Flag concert back in about '79 and I almost got beat up for looking too straight ...

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

of the hobby there, we feel confident things will move forward. We believe the password will be olly olly oxen free or 'the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog'.

Hopefully there will be a conference call number with which we can join in the fray. Please send instructions on how to get the password (secret or otherwise) for the conference call.

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Posted By: ScottIngold

"Whilst"

Where else can we see this used on a daily basis ?

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Tom,

Not funny--and I left how to get the password.

Jim

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Mike,

I got both of you guys-thanks.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

will email you.....laugh ocassionally.....it'll prolong your life........

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Posted By: James Feagin

On the British punk scene a X-Ray Spex, Buzzcocks, Damned, Fall, old Siouxsie and the Banshees guy.....

On the American bent I loved the Avengers, pre-Rollins Black Flag, Husker Du bands....

Then there is my favorite Revelation NYC sXe scene with Gorilla Biscuits, Youth of Today, and Side by Side leading the way..

Good memories....

James

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Posted By: barrysloate

Yes Chris- Buffalo Springfield was as good as music got. Their album "Buffalo Springfield Again" was one of the highlights of 60's rock.

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

Idaho ?....then you punkers can say "my own private Idaho"!
"Captain Beyond" is a much better group then all mentioned.

Good luck !

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Posted By: Joann

Gee willikers. I hope that the group includes the guy spending $100 at the National when they define whose hobby it is. Oh - and also includes the various groups on the UES of NYC. You know - everyone. Hobby. Collecting. Pretty simple to me.

Sincerely,


The left elbow of the hobby, rotting in my little shack.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

The greatest punk rock band of all time.....I saw them when I was 16 years old...sometime in the 1980s. Jodie Foster's Army.

JFA


And just for Barry

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Posted By: MVSNYC

getting way off topic guys...

looking forward to thursday...

should hopefully get some great dialogue going with all of the heavyweights there.

MS

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

OK-Jodie Foster's Army clip is definitely old school......

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Posted By: jay behrens

You guys are forgetting some classic punk bands like Television, Bad Brains, MC5, The Minutemen and countless others I am forgetting.

Watch the documentry Punk:Attitude. It's the only show I've ever seen that actually captures what punk was really about in the 70s and 80s.

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Television was a great band....Richard Hell wrote some great songs for Matthew Sweet (another of my favorites).

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Tom,

I laugh all the time but not when I am insulted--no unsolicited advice either--I don't appreciate it.

Jim

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Posted By: JimB

You all are really forgetting the greatest punk bands: X, and the Germs. L.A.'s punk scene was the best!
JimB

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Posted By: fkw

My fav.....Wire, Buzzcocks, DK, Jam, Undertones, Fall, Killing Joke, Soft Boys, Sonic Youth, Butthole Surfers, X, Stranglers, Gang of 4, Joy Division. Saw many of them in the early/mid 80's here in SF (Chi Chi Club, I-Beam, Old Waldorf, etc.) and across the bay in Berkeley (Berkeley Square).

PS blame David, he started it

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Posted By: Bob

Sigh...I forgot how old I am there for a minute seeing Steven Stills and Neil Young back in the day. Thanks for the clip.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Sonic Youth...another favorite of mine.



I loved Husker Du and thought that Bob Mould had some great stuff with Sugar (File Under Easy Listening is one of the great albums of the 90s)...I listened to just about anything that you couldn't find on mainstream radio in my younger days...now I tend to listen to talk radio only because the student radio station at the U of Nebraska plays hip hop and other stuff I don't listen to.

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Posted By: Rhys

Did someone mention a meeting in Idaho? Sweet. I'll see if the Smurf Turf at Boise State can be rented out. It might not be that private though.

I cant believe you guys are talking best old school punk bands and not a single person has mentioned Bad Religion or NoFx (1980's old, the 70's were before my time). If anyone wants to check out the best punk band of the 1990's, you have to get some Strung Out CD's. Their second album, Suburban Teenage Wastleland Blues, is amazing.

After the NY meeting, let me know when the hobby has been saved from certain destruction.

Rhys

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Posted By: Ricky Y

Two favorite topics morphed into one...baseball card hobby and punk rock... wow I saw Jello at the old Mabuhay Gardens in SF ... I think I'll slam dance and go flip some cards now...

Ricky

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

There's a whole lot more punkers here than I would have guessed.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Bob Mould's solo stuff beats Sugar hands down in my opinion.

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Posted By: DJ

DJ's Top Fifteen Punk List (Proto-punk, new wave, secondary, post punk...)
1) The Ramones 2) Black Flag 3) Dead Kennedys 4) Television 5) The Clash
6) X 7) The Stooges 8) MC5 9) The Pixies 10) Husker Du 11) Sex Pistols
12) Minor Threat 13) Plasmatics 14) Joy Division 15) The Damned

DJ

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Jeff, are you related to Alan Lichtman the presidential historian I see on MSNBC all the time?

As for Mould's solo stuff I think it's on par with Sugar, but F.U.E.L is one of my top 10 albums of all time.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Fear
Crass
Subhumans
Rudimentary Peni
The Cramps
D.O.A.
The Plasmatics

Just wanted to take advantage of the only opportunity I'll ever have to mention those bands on this board.

-Ryan

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I still have Bad Music for Bad People by the Cramps on vinyl.

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Posted By: BcD

by Country Joe MacDonald Barry?

or maybe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DspcTcVslsI



BcD