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Posted By: peter chao
Congrats to Craig Biggio for his 3,000th hit. Not only did he get his 3,000 but he got five hits out of 6 ABs. That must be a record, has anybody gotten more hits in the game that he got his 3,000th hit. I doubt it, that's style and grace under pressure. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
7 more doubles and he will then pass Brett and move into the top 5 lifetime. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
I don't know the answer to your question but being born and raised in Houston, I must say that Craig Biggio is an Icon in this city and has always played the game the way it's suppose to be played. Example, Last night with 2 outs in the bottom of the 11th nobody on and the Rockies leading by a run, he beats out an infield hit to the SS and starts a 2 out rally that culminates in a Carlos Lee walk off Grand Slam. He doesn't beat out the grounder and the game is over. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I think it's safe to say Biggio was the only player to reach his 3000th hit in a five-hit game. And another milestone was set last night, and likely another first. |
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Posted By: Steve Dawson
Craig Biggio is the only player with 5 or more hits in the game where they reached 3,000 for their career. George Brett and Tony Gwynn both had 4 hits in their 3,000 hit games. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Steve, |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
End of the 1941 season and the Red Sox are playing a Double-Header.......and, the Yankees had already |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I actually heard a debate on the radio today about whether Craig Biggio belongs in the hall of fame...Of course he does. 3,000 is automatic. He's going to be top 5 in doubles, he's never been under suspicion of performance enhancing drugs, he's played with the same team his whole career which is commendable and hard to do in today's market, and I've never heard a bad thing said about Biggio. He always plays hard. |
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Posted By: S Gross
Whenever I hear about the 3000 club I think of one thing: |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Sam Rice was quoted as saying later on in life that if 3000 hits meant anything when he was playing he wouldve kept playing to get it. When he played it was just a round number and no big deal |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
A most interesting stat re the 350 win club: |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Unless Tom Glavine gets on the juice. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Dan- you caught every milestone except one. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Everyone keeps mentioning that playing for one team is unusual in this day and age. This is not true. If you look at all the HOFers, I think there are more modern HOFers that played with one team, then pre-war players. Look at all the these greats that played for multiple teams; Ruth, Cobb, Mathewson, Wagner, Young, Collins, Lajoie, etc. Players like Crawford and Johnson, that spent their entire career's with one team were the exception and not the rule back then. |
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Posted By: Mike (18colt)
The Phillies are rapidly approaching 10,000 losses as a franchise! |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Sam Crawford played for the Reds and the Tigers so you can rule him out too. I still think it's more unusual for todays players to stick with one team than it was in the past, and I include Ted Williams, and Joe DiMaggio "in the past". |
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Posted By: Ken W.
Who was the guy, who last night, got his 1000th hit, his 200th double, AND hit for the cycle? The fan who caught the HR ball, was kind enough to give it to him. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Huff? I think I read that he hit for the cycle and his team still lost. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
barry- read his list again...it's there. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Thanks Michael- I can spell but I can't read. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
barrie- no worrys my freind...we ar a perfekt matche, cuz i cannat speel! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I too have the Yankee game on and I just poured myself a cold Stella in a frozen mug. A perfect day! |
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Posted By: Josh Adams
It is a beautiful day here in Chicago. Just got back from tennis, have an ice cold New Glarus, and watching the Brewers. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Posted By: Bob
Biggio is about to pass a bunch of HOFers including guys like Al Kaline, Rod Carew, Cap Anson, etc. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Bob, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I'd say McGwire and his 583 HR's is the most obvious. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Peter, had Kaline only had 2900 hits, I still think he'd get in - he did have 10 Gold Gloves and 1600 RBI. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Guys with milestones who may never get in: |
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Posted By: Steve Dawson
"The Cubs need 23 wins for 10,000 in their history." |
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Posted By: peter chao
Tim Raines will be an interesting case. He's the type of overall player that the HOF has always favored. It's all the other baggage he carries with him that is going to cause him problems. |
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Besides Wade Boggs, Al Kaline is another guy that would not be in the HOF without 3,000 hits. At least Wade Boggs had the batting titles. The only other plus Al Kaline had was that he had an excellent glove in the outfield. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
"Other then the incident, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?" |
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Posted By: jay behrens
How about Bert Blyleven? 3700+ Ks, 287 wins and 3.31 ERA against a league ERA of 3.90 and he pitched in some the unfriendliest parks to pitchers there was. All the various HOF measures used on baseball-reference.com show him above HOF level except in black ink. The guy belongs, plain and simple. He was just unlucky enough to play for bad teams in hitter friendly parks. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Jay, |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jay, I agree about Blyleven. Same with Tommy John. Falling a few wins short of an artificial milestone should not prevent induction into the Hall. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Jay, |
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Posted By: CN
I was lucky to play with Craig in High School, I graduated a year ahead of him at Kings Park High School in Suffolk County NY. As a High Schooler he was the best football player on Long Island which encompasses about 3 million people. He played Q.B. and would run the Quarterback Option about 60% of the time and his rushing average was over 10 yards per carry. I remember talking to him while in H.S. and he decided to play baseball at Seton Hall instead of Football because even though he was better in football he figured that based on his size he had a better chance at making the pros in Baseball. He also played catcher back then because he told me that it gave him an advantage towards the majors because back then not many catchers were fast and hit for high averages. He told me he could always switch positions if he ever became established. I find this amazing that as a junior in High School he could see that far ahead. CN |
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Posted By: peter chao
CN, |
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Posted By: John H.
"I'm convinced that both Bert Blyleven and Jim Kaat will get in, with some players it just takes longer. Both Ron Santo and Gil Hodges look like they will get in, it may just take them a while." |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
"Biggio is the thinking man's ballplayer and excels at "small ball," he does all the little things that don't necessary show up in the boxscore." |
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Jeff, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Biggio has about 650 doubles and nearly 1000 extra base hits. That sounds like pretty big ball to me. But I agree he's a smart player and he's going to the HOF. |
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Just my opinion, but "small ball" is one of the most over-used cliches, mainly employed by sports-radio talk-show hosts and managers who want fans and GMs to think their team "knows the fundamentals," "will do whatever it takes to win" and will "make the most of the talent we have." |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Baseball has a long history of using cliches. Bunting a runner over is a basic fundamental of the game, and every player should know how to do it. You can call it small ball, or you can simply call it baseball. |
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Agreed that every player should know how to bunt (although one could make a sound argument against trading an out to move a runner from first base to second). |
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Posted By: peter chao
Biggio is good at "small ball," but he also has decent power, as pointed out earlier. He may end up in the top five all-time for doubles. |
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Posted By: bill
ozzie smith |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I'll take Puljos over Eckstein too, but there are a whole hell of a lot more players of caliber of Eckstein than there are of Puljos. |
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