Am I wrong to be mad? Ebay

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Posted By: Ted Sherman

Sorry Bri


Does not surprise me in the least form Jason, BTW how much do you spend on "hired help"..lol what a joker! check the PSA forums to se what he did to me! Sold my card to someone OFF ebay for more money, then promised me a t205 for my troubles IF I left him a positive! I left a positive and he NEGGED ME!!! What a loser move!!! He alos promised everyone on the boards a free t206, but we knew he was lying.

The NEW ebay rules are SPECIFICALLY made for sellers like vintage*investments, feedback hostage, poor shipping, etc all will be noted for no fear of retaliary negatives! I bet this is one of his first transactions with the new rules and he is SCARED!! I would neg him, he MORE than deserves it. BTW search the legendary thread on the PSA boards!

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Posted By: Anonymous

Negative feedback CAN BE left for a SELLER - there has been no change to the rule for this type of feedback.

Negative feedback will have a small waiting period when leaving NEGATIVE for a Power Seller to ensure communication is made prior to any negative.

Negative or Neutral feedback CANNOT be left for a BUYER.

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Posted By: Jason

Steve-

You and bulldog are both noobs that have nothing positive to contribute to this forum. Go back to your PSA board and trolling ways. Your presence here has done nothing but taint a perfectly good vintage forum.

Leon-

Please shut this one down before it gets out of hand and infested with CU Forum trolls.


Jason

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Posted By: leon

As always I am very slow to step in where all posters are known. That being said if "Ted" doesn't email me he will be banned and his posts deleted, per the forum rules.....and nothing personal...I don't really want to get into this fray.....just trying to keep anonymity out of this thread.....regards

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Posted By: josh

The last thing you want is the immaturity of the CU board over here. The net54 is top notch and it doesn't need to be infested with the CU members starting trouble.

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Posted By: Jason

Josh-

Well said. This is a topnotch forum and we can see the beginnings of parasites like these leaching into here. I welcome those who come and share but not stir trouble. Leon does a great job moderating and I am sure he will weed them out.

Going back to the original reason for the post, I came on and gave my response and will make it right with Scott however he chooses. I thought that was enough said.


Jason

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Posted By: leon

All you can do (and have done)is offer to make it right....Any bashing after that will look bad on the person doing it..Stick to the high road and scr** the other stuff..nuff said..

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Posted By: Mark

The fact that Scott had to explain the situation (and resulting damage) time and again is rather disturbing. This was a no-brainer, in which the seller should have apologized, and immediately asked the buyer how he could make it right. There is no question that compensation was due as a result of the ridiculously inferior packaging. I cannot believe the seller would even question that 4 of the cards were damaged, given the packaging method.

And once the "additional help" was hired, what type of training took place, pertaining to how to package/protect extremely valuable pieces of cardboard? Not that training should even be necessary... shouldn't this be something a complete novice would instinctively know to do (especially given the price paid?)

I would have been extremely irritated if this happened to me, and I think Scott showed tremendous restraint by not "outing" the seller.

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Posted By: Steve

Jason maybe you should act like a top notch seller.

Steve

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Posted By: leon

I do want to say a few quick things since I had already chimed in with view or two. NO doubt it was a deplorable job of shipping and Jason needs to have a talk with his person(s) doing the shipping. Kudo's to Scott M. for not outing the seller....it was Bulldog that did that....IN the end the seller, Jason, offered to do the right thing....regardless of how we got there...we did.

Steve "Winpitcher".....get off Jason's arse.....move on to more positive contributions you have been known to do.....lets get some positive vibes going again on this board....pretty please...I really don't see the need for this parting jab you made....and I am not going to argue about it or ban you blah blah blah....it's just some requests.....take care

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Posted By: Matt

I would suggest we try and avoid sarcasm on this board moving forward as it seems to only serve to antagonize.

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Posted By: dan mckee

Matt if I can't be sarcastic, I guess I will have to move on. Sorry, I liked being back. Dan.

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Posted By: Rick McQuillan

I have to add my two cents. Jason, I just bought a lot of 7 33 Goudeys from you. The shipping was six bucks. I have no problem with the shipping charges and your service was excellent. I am very happy with the cards, but all 7 of the Goudeys were stuffed into one flimsey CardSaver and the Cardsaver was put in a bubble mailer with no other protection.

I also bought a lot of 23 cards from you. The shipping was $14, which I thought was high, but I knew from your description what the charges would be so I have no problem with the shipping charges. Again, your service was excellent and the cards were great, but the cards were stuffed into 3 CardSavers and put in a cheap bubble mailer.

I would like to buy from you again because I feel that you are a good seller and you offer some great products, but I would feel more comfortable if you would take a little more care with the shipping.

Thanks,

Rick

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Posted By: Steve

A little advice. If a person is going to charge 7 or more dollars for shipping
why not use USPS priority mail? BOXES are free. For 8.95 you can send pounds of stuff.

I ship 1st class mail too at times but even then I make sure that the item is well protected.

On items over 100.00 I use priority mail.

Steve

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

Hey guys. I have handled the shipping issue. I agree it was not up to par of what I do personally so it has been dealt with. I purchased thousands of toploads from hotflips for a reason and that was to be used. Look for even better service in the future.


Jason

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

Also when I personally ship items, I will even insure stuff over $100 usually even if they do not pay, especially if it is multiple items at 50 cents per. I suppose if you expect top notch service, then you must do it yourself.

Jason

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Posted By: Scott Mt Joy

Glad to hear Jason, card savers and good packaging would have saved you a lot of time and trouble.

I will be sending you an ebay message with the 4 cards damaged and I will await your answer.

BTW here are two pics of how I recieved the cards, pretty easy to see how corners were damaged-




(edited scan size and addresses out....as safety precuation-leon)

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Posted By: Hagar Henderson

I have no problems with a seller charging top dollar for shipping and handling as long as they provide top notch service. The cost should be clearly stated in the auction listing. If it wasn't listed, I would not bid. However, if a seller is going to charge top dollar for S&H, they need to provide high class packaging. An order of over 20 cards needs to be sent in a box, not an envelope regardless of how much padding is in the envelope. The cards should also be placed in their own individual holder like a card saver or top loader. As somebody else mentioned, you can pay a flat fee of $9.00 or so for a priority mail box that will ship anything that fits in the box

Sellers should not try to make a profit from shipping charges. You should be making your money from selling the cards, not mailing the cards.

In all fairness, the seller seems to have offered a refund. Since the mistake can't be undone, the only thing the seller can do is to compensate the customer for the poor shipping and try to avoid the same mistake in the future. I'm still trying to picture how 24 cards could be fit into a single top loader. I hope you guys reach an amicable resolution.

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Posted By: Dave F

Scott-

You may want to edit or block out your address in that pic...never know with the idiots around here.


Dave

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Posted By: Hagar Henderson

Great! In the time it took me to write my post, the buyer and seller seem to have resolved the issue.

To whoever outed the seller, I would suggest in the future to allow the two parties involved to work things out first. On the few bad transactions I've had when buying on E-bay, I have always contacted the seller and allowed them ample time to make things right. I've only had one transaction out of about 300 transactions where the seller failed to make things right.

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Posted By: Scott Mt Joy

Thanks Dave It's a work address thats gets a good amount of mail so not too worried but thanks for the heads up.

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Posted By: Steve

I see the top loader is not the rigid type and that is how all 24 cards were

able to fit inside.


Steve

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

Scott-


No need to post pictures. I took care of the issue and will compensate you like I promised before.


Jason

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Posted By: Dave F

Jason-

It is probably a little late to have the pictures posted. However, I do think they should have been after you called Scott out on the fact you didn't believe his claim only a few cards were damaged. I do applaud you for handling the situation, but in hindsight it probably could have been handled a little bit cleaner. I'm by no means trying to rub salt in a wound, but damage was certainly done. But like everything else I'm sure this will fall down the pages and be forgotten.

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

Scott-

I refund you fully for the 4 cards you moaned about and you neg me? You even told me you would return them and you never sent them! I mailed out a refund for FULL price + shipping immediately! You neg me anyway! Well enjoy what is coming back to you! Thanks alot for blackmailing me into a refund and keeping what you said you would return. Another reason to not believe your story.

Jason

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Posted By: Steve

Something doesn't add up, Jason claims Scott did not return the 4 damaged cards while Scott
claims he did.


Or is this a situation where the items are en route?


Steve

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

I am sure these are in route now after the post. Scott, you were unreasonable. I really was planning to take the high road and no neg you if you would have sent the cards without issue. Just proof now that you felt guilty and cancelled my payment because you thought it was going to be reciprocated. Think about it, If I would have negged you on a transaction that you followed through on I would have looked like the arse. Well now you will get what is coming. As far as 5 people having problems: THe first 3 negs were from Jim who was completely wrong as everyone who read his post could see and the second neg was from some unreaonable idiot who sells makeup that told me on the phone he messed up. Third is you who wanted to make a statement even after I more than made up for the problems you had. Well, Take care and enjoy selling with marks as I have had to do this past week.


Jason
816-294-9847
(call anytime)

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Posted By: Mark

I don't think the seller can reciprocate/Neg the buyer, under Ebay's new rules... Would be good to hear back from Scott, regarding this "interesting" twist.

Some good drama in this thread, if nothing else...

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

Mark-

I am the seller. Once I refunded his money + more than half the shipping he agreed to pay when he bid ON HIS TERMS through paypal, he then still negs me even after I never got back the 4 cards that were supposedly damaged. As I was searching eBay I found two cards he had that I needed and I thought I will hit the BIN and get those from him. Even though I paid strong for them, I figured it would make him sweat considering he negged me. Anyway I needed those two cards and paypaled him right away. Well, asuming the worst he cancelled my payment. If he would have sold them to me there would have been no issues because I would have stooped to his level if I would have in fact negged him. Well, he just proved my point in what I thought would happen and decided not to sell me the cards by cancelling my payment. Well now I guess what went around will come around. Ebay has created some feedback monsters as well as some "internet tough guys" with their new system. Well, I suppose we are soon to see the end of perfect feedback for sellers.


Jason

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Posted By: DR

Jason, Please contact me about the promised refund and purchase you made from my eBay store before I post the sordid details. Have you received the multiple emails and eBay invoices or to busy Net54 posting? I'm unimpressed.

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Posted By: ted

I hadn't seen the post about emailing Leon, but I have straightened it out.


Jason, I am about 50% done with my t205 set and I saw you had a whole bunch listed. Unfortunately, I would give you $50 for a $100 bill so could you just send me my FREE t205 that you had promised if I left you positive feedback?


It seems like you have a pattern of coming on the boards (Psa and Net54 who knows where else)defeding your self and promising refunds sending more cards/free cards, then disappearing when people start to look for refunds etc. Here is a link (please let me know if it is not ok to link to the EVIL psa boards)

http://tinyurl.com/5sve7f

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Posted By: Steve

Well, I suppose we are soon to see the end of perfect feedback for sellers.


Not all sellers.


Steve

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

Ted-

Who are you? I dont post or even read PSA boards. Wasn't that over a year ago? You must have crawled over with Steve. What is the intention of your post?

Jason

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Posted By: Ted

Are we really goign to dredge up the past AGAIN here Jason? After acting like clown on the PSaboards, you come here and do the exact same thing. This NEW feedback system is a way to weed out sellers like yourself. BTW I have the SAME user name here as on PSA forums, so it shouldn't be TOO hard to figure out. Hope that "hired help" has unemployment benefits

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

Ted

I wouldnt expect a fellow republican to troll around with other trolls. Take your opinions back to CU. This is a good forum that could do without the likes of trolls like yourself. You lack class and integrity. All of your posts will be ignored from here on out. You are not worth the time it takes to read your garbage. Just looking for trouble you internet touch guy. Go find another bridge to troll under.


Jason

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Posted By: Steve

Hey Duncan Leon asked me to stay off your arse, do the same.







Steve

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Posted By: Ted

Sorry Jason def. NOT a troll rememeber the Hippo vaugh you SOLD me and then resold for a higher offer OFF of ebay?


"Jason and I had an ongoing issue where hesold me a card on ebay (last card in the 1915 cj set) and sold it formore money off ebay, then blackmailed me with a positive, promising a t205 card for my troubles, which I left, and he responded with a Negative"

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Posted By: Jason Duncan

Ted-

You are incorrect. Steve ditto>

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Posted By: Scott Mt. Joy

The cards were send back and Jason is recieving them today. Here is the DC from the USPS site-

Label/Receipt Number: 0308 0070 0002 0066 0835
Status: Delivered

Your item was delivered at 5:51 AM on June 2, 2008 in SAVANNAH, MO 64485.

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Posted By: leon

I hope this continued bickering stops pretty soon. You guys should take some of that energy and start good positive threads. Do all of yourselves a favor and don't buy and sell with each other anymore....regards

Jason- Ted is "Ted Sherman" and I am pretty sure you know that already....and you know WinPitcher...so there aren't any trolls (read - anonymous) in this thread, that I am aware of....